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[Cerval]

Making it a left vs right problem is disingenuous.

You can be on the right and not be a conspiracy loonie. And there are many.

conspiracy theories (Qanon, etc) need to be monitored because they are promoting extremism and it can end up as we've seen at the Capitol. It can be dangerous.

Saying "both sides" need to be censored doesn't make sense

 

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[maxi]

Moving the goalposts a bit, no? What would qualify then, a 30 second one? But then why not an hour? I guess he could've called them very fine people and said he loves them instead though. "Dramatic speech" , yes forgive people for being a bit more outraged when random fucks storm and breach the fucking Capitol building. Sure it's no Macy's, but I'd say it's pretty important.
Care to share some sources of his colleagues supporting the riots? Here's this, though: https://www.khou.com/article/news/n...ters/507-081d6ef7-3bea-4c1a-97e1-73ff88ae350d

This is pointless deflection.

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The thing is, on one hand you have republican politicians coming out left right and centre condemning the insurrection, albeit with the very few exceptions of whom I don't know of, and on the other, you have democrats like the fucking speaker of the house shrugging off public vandalism with nonsense like "its just what people do". Then you have the Oregon governor Kate Brown turning down Trump's offer to send in the national guard in June. On the other hand, you have Trump telling rioters on Wednesday to go home. There's the difference.
If the democrats had displayed some unity and called out the riots for what they were in the same way Republicans are doing so now, and used the same rhetoric, then I would have had more respect. But they played the race card instead. Its called double standards. Both sides have their own fair share of thugs, its up to the media and the politicians to be honest in their condemnation, even if it comes at the cost of votes.

 

[il brutto]

There were BLM protest all over the US (and the world), vast majority of them peaceful. Violence should always be condemned no matter the perpetrator, peaceful protests should not. What happened in DC was not a peaceful protest. This is just another deflection bonanza from some of you guys, we've discussed the BLM stuff to death in this very thread (when it actually happened). Now we're discussing about what happened in the Capitol. It should not be that hard.

 

[Ronn]

Hey guys what’s up? Anything new happened in ‘Murica lately?

 

[JuveMkd]

You realize the Trump retweets the crazy people right? Some crazy shit gets millions of retweet’s even without Trump. How do you think Q is a thing?

And also the far left gets a lot or retweets also from lot of influential people, we are going around in circles. I'm saying moderate equally on both sides because I see a lot of bullshit coming from the left also but not getting the same treatment.

 

[Bjerknes]

Making it a left vs right problem is disingenuous.

You can be on the right and not be a conspiracy loonie. And there are many.

conspiracy theories (Qanon, etc) need to be monitored because they are promoting extremism and it can end up as we've seen at the Capitol. It can be dangerous.

Saying "both sides" need to be censored doesn't make sense

Well, you're either for free speech or you're against it. I'm not in favor of limiting speech on either side. But there used to be an ethical standard in journalism that is no longer respected, and the same can be said about those that run the proceedings in both parties. But perhaps it never truly existed in the latter. Qanon is one level of stupidity, but stories from unnamed "sources" reported as truth is another. Both are toxic.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Making it a left vs right problem is disingenuous.

You can be on the right and not be a conspiracy loonie. And there are many.

conspiracy theories (Qanon, etc) need to be monitored because they are promoting extremism and it can end up as we've seen at the Capitol. It can be dangerous.

Saying "both sides" need to be censored doesn't make sense

I think we can all come to a consensus that "both sides" means extremists on both sides.

But we have a winner here.

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The thing is, on one hand you have republican politicians coming out left right and centre condemning the insurrection, albeit with the very few exceptions of whom I don't know of, and on the other, you have democrats like the fucking speaker of the house shrugging off public vandalism with nonsense like "its just what people do". Then you have the Oregon governor Kate Brown turning down Trump's offer to send in the national guard in June. On the other hand, you have Trump telling rioters on Wednesday to go home. There's the difference.
If the democrats had displayed some unity and called out the riots for what they were in the same way Republicans are doing so now, and used the same rhetoric, then I would have had more respect. But they played the race card instead. Its called double standards. Both sides have their own fair share of thugs, its up to the media and the politicians to be honest in their condemnation, even if it comes at the cost of votes.

The overwhelming sentiment among Democrat lawmakers (and most people in general) was the peaceful protests were fine, and the rioting/looting was unacceptable. This has been stated ad nauseam by many prominent politicians, and honestly I'm very tired of hearing the opposite. It's just laziness at this point. I'd still like to see some sources of Democrats supporting the riots as you claimed. New York didn't deploy the National Guard either, wasn't necessary.
But beyond supporting riots, how about being part of them? This link should work for you I assume.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...awmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html
Actual elected officials attempting to essentially prevent the transition of power of the Presidency. Not really sure how you can "respect" that. Furthermore, when have Republicans come out against these conspiracy theories? I've only seen them be embraced (mostly by Trump, but regardless). At this point, it's almost becoming the party platform as you have politicians being elected for it
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/05/qanon-goes-to-washington-two-supporters-win-seats-in-congress/

Yes, both sides do have their extremists as mentioned in the quote above. As I've pointed out Democrats have spoken out against theirs, but Republicans up until this point have said absolutely nothing, even though their are clearly the greater threat to American democracy as a whole.

 

[JuveMkd]

Making it a left vs right problem is disingenuous.

You can be on the right and not be a conspiracy loonie. And there are many.

conspiracy theories (Qanon, etc) need to be monitored because they are promoting extremism and it can end up as we've seen at the Capitol. It can be dangerous.

Saying "both sides" need to be censored doesn't make sense

We are talking about extremes here, there are a lot of leftist groups that are like Qanon, etc. that are not getting the equal treatment in the media or are given a pass when they spew a lot of bullshit and try to force their ideologies on other people.

 

[Enron]

We are talking about extremes here, there are a lot of leftist groups that are like Qanon, etc. that are not getting the equal treatment in the media or are given a pass when they spew a lot of bullshit and try to force their ideologies on other people.

Um how many leftist groups have tried to drive trains in to medical ships in the name of mole children?

 

[JuveMkd]

Um how many leftist groups have tried to drive trains in to medical ships in the name of mole children?

What was antifa doing few months ago?? I'm sure there are other examples.

 

[Cerval]

We are talking about extremes here, there are a lot of leftist groups that are like Qanon, etc. that are not getting the equal treatment in the media or are given a pass when they spew a lot of bullshit and try to force their ideologies on other people.

Yeah for a second i forgot about the left extremists like in the summer.

 

[ALC]

What was antifa doing few months ago?? I'm sure there are other examples.

antifa has been proven again and again to not be an organized group.

 

[JuveMkd]

antifa has been proven again and again to not be an organized group.

And what is it then? I'm asking seriously I'm not from Murica.

 

[il brutto]

And also the far left gets a lot or retweets also from lot of influential people, we are going around in circles. I'm saying moderate equally on both sides because I see a lot of bullshit coming from the left also but not getting the same treatment.

What you're asking is false balance. You think a Twitter post from NPR should be flagged inside ten minutes because they were a bit hasty with their reporting but these organisations have internal processes to deal with mistakes like that and thus they removed the post and posted a correction. You won't see Twitter flagging Fox News for example either for things like that. It's not equivalent to flagging misinformation/disinformation posted by people who have no intention to make corrections to their falsified posts.

 

[Enron]

What was antifa doing few months ago?? I'm sure there are other examples.

Not that lol

 

[JuveMkd]

What you're asking is false balance. You think a Twitter post from NPR should be flagged inside ten minutes because they were a bit hasty with their reporting but these organisations have internal processes to deal with mistakes like that and thus they removed the post and posted a correction. You won't see Twitter flagging Fox News for example either for things like that. It's not equivalent to flagging misinformation/disinformation posted by people who have no intention to make corrections to their falsified posts.

Not false balance, balance. You can't claim that there isn't a bias towards one side.

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Not that lol

You don't know that they haven't tried

 

[il brutto]

Not false balance, balance. You can't claim that there isn't a bias towards one side.

Huh?

This is your initial post:

Twitter at it again, instead of labeling it fake news it just deleted the tweet.

You're asking Twitter for some reason to start labelling stuff from news organisations as "fake news". News organisations make corrections when someone points out that there is clear mistake in their reporting. Spreading conspiracies and disinformation with no regards to truth is a bit different.

 

[ALC]

And what is it then? I'm asking seriously I'm not from Murica.

Antifa is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.

 

[JuveMkd]

Huh?

This is your initial post:


You're asking Twitter for some reason to start labelling stuff from news organisations as "fake news". News organisations make corrections when someone points out that there is clear mistake in their reporting. Spreading conspiracies and disinformation with no regards to truth is a bit different.

Yes as I said it before Twitter is more bias towards the left. And only reputable news organizations make retractions there are a lot out there that don't.

 

[Bjerknes]

antifa has been proven again and again to not be an organized group.

Who keeps laying all those bricks outside in front of police stations and Targets?