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king Ale

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http://reverbpress.com/politics/ron-paul-ted-cruz-feels-the-bern/

Amidst thundering applause, Ron Paul stepped up to the podium. “Thank you all very much for coming,” he said. “I am so excited to see you all in our revolution.” His voice is nasally but he speaks without trepidation—like a busybody neighbor about to tell you something juicy. “The revolution is spreading, and the momentum is building.” That was in 2012. Paul’s revolution wasn’t to be. Nor were the junior Paul’s presidential ambitions realized. On February 3, Rand Paul suspended his campaign. This freed his father to comment openly on the race, and what he had to say might surprise those familiar with the libertarian politician. “You take a guy like Cruz, people are liking the Cruz,” he told Fox New’s Varney & Company on Friday.

“They think he’s for the free market, and he’s owned by Goldman Sachs. I mean, he and Hillary have more in common than we [libertarians] would have with either Cruz or Trump or any of them so I just don’t think there is much picking.”

When asked if there was a candidate who truly stood for the free market, Paul opined: “On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war.”
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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I know, right? :D

It's a real shame if/that Democrats pick Hillary over Sanders. It's an even bigger shame if either of Hillary or Trupm wins the elections when there is a candidate like Bernie.
:agree:

There are two things about Sanders that simply impress me:
1. He has been extremely consistent in his extremely long political career.
2. He has been ahead of his times on pretty much all issues, starting from segregation & the civil rights movement, to Vietnam, to LGBT & women rights, to Iraq and also the 2008 financial collapse.

And if you combine 1 and 2, it gets even more impressive.

Don't get how any informed voter would pick Hillary over him.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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:agree:

There are two things about Sanders that simply impress me:
1. He has been extremely consistent in his extremely long political career.
2. He has been ahead of his times on pretty much all issues, starting from segregation & the civil rights movement, to Vietnam, to LGBT & women rights, to Iraq and also the 2008 financial collapse.


And if you combine 1 and 2, it gets even more impressive.

Don't get how any informed voter would pick Hillary over him.
Exactly. He was arrested at the age of 21 when he was a student of university of Chicago for being a part of anti segregation protests and more than 50 years later, the US is likely to have an openly racist president in an elections Sanders is a candidate. Baffling. And Hillary is changing colors like a chameleon it's ridiculous.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Exactly. He was arrested at the age of 21 when he was a student of university of Chicago for being a part of anti segregation protests and more than 50 years later, the US is likely to have an openly racist president in an elections Sanders is a candidate. Baffling. And Hillary is changing colors like a chameleon it's ridiculous.
The worst thing is that right now she's basically copying Sander's speeches, and people just tuning in for the debates probably think that there isn't much difference between the two politically - and then voting for Hillary because she's more familiar and "electable" (though that's BS as polls show again and again).
 

icemaη

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It's going to take incredible lobbying for Sanders to get the super delegates to support him even if he manages to beat Hillary on popular votes. And that's a damn shame.
 

Völler

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May 6, 2012
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The worst thing is that right now she's basically copying Sander's speeches, and people just tuning in for the debates probably think that there isn't much difference between the two politically - and then voting for Hillary because she's more familiar and "electable" (though that's BS as polls show again and again).
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
21,689
The worst thing is that right now she's basically copying Sander's speeches, and people just tuning in for the debates probably think that there isn't much difference between the two politically - and then voting for Hillary because she's more familiar and "electable" (though that's BS as polls show again and again).
It's not bad at all imo. Regardless of the outcome, Sanders has been able to push Hillary increasingly more towards the left, which is good, even if she doesn't believe in what she says. Sanders has forced Hillary to position herself in an entirely new way from which she won't be able to deviate much if she gets elected. This is a big enough achievement for Sanders and his campaigns I'd say.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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It's not bad at all imo. Regardless of the outcome, Sanders has been able to push Hillary increasingly more towards the left, which is good, even if she doesn't believe in what she says. Sanders has forced Hillary to position herself in an entirely new way from which she won't be able to deviate much if she gets elected. This is a big enough achievement for Sanders and his campaigns I'd say.
She will deviate a lot imo.

But yeah, he's already achieved a lot by shaping public discussion as much as he has.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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:agree:

There are two things about Sanders that simply impress me:
1. He has been extremely consistent in his extremely long political career.
2. He has been ahead of his times on pretty much all issues, starting from segregation & the civil rights movement, to Vietnam, to LGBT & women rights, to Iraq and also the 2008 financial collapse.

And if you combine 1 and 2, it gets even more impressive.

Don't get how any informed voter would pick Hillary over him.
They are impressive. However, people are concerned that Sanders is a single issue candidate. For example, nobody has a clue as to how he would deal with foreign policy.

Not to mention that the White House isn't that far from House of Cards these days, and bringing Bernie to the White House is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. As much as she makes your skin crawl, you have to admit that Clinton is a flamethrower in that gunfight.

Exactly. He was arrested at the age of 21 when he was a student of university of Chicago for being a part of anti segregation protests and more than 50 years later, the US is likely to have an openly racist president in an elections Sanders is a candidate. Baffling. And Hillary is changing colors like a chameleon it's ridiculous.
And yet blacks aren't voting for him. That's the head-scratcher.
 

Hængebøffer

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Jun 4, 2009
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They are impressive. However, people are concerned that Sanders is a single issue candidate. For example, nobody has a clue as to how he would deal with foreign policy.

Not to mention that the White House isn't that far from House of Cards these days, and bringing Bernie to the White House is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. As much as she makes your skin crawl, you have to admit that Clinton is a flamethrower in that gunfight.



And yet blacks aren't voting for him. That's the head-scratcher.
That's what I said earlier. They will do what their support base tells them to do, once they're elected.
 

king Ale

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And yet blacks aren't voting for him. That's the head-scratcher.
Hillary keeps saying that Sanders called Obama a disappointment :sergio: Reminds me of the time when we were ratting on each others in the elementary school. She's got no substance and the dishonesty and hypocrisy vibes she gives when making speeches is second to none.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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http://reverbpress.com/politics/ron-paul-ted-cruz-feels-the-bern/

Amidst thundering applause, Ron Paul stepped up to the podium. “Thank you all very much for coming,” he said. “I am so excited to see you all in our revolution.” His voice is nasally but he speaks without trepidation—like a busybody neighbor about to tell you something juicy. “The revolution is spreading, and the momentum is building.” That was in 2012. Paul’s revolution wasn’t to be. Nor were the junior Paul’s presidential ambitions realized. On February 3, Rand Paul suspended his campaign. This freed his father to comment openly on the race, and what he had to say might surprise those familiar with the libertarian politician. “You take a guy like Cruz, people are liking the Cruz,” he told Fox New’s Varney & Company on Friday.

“They think he’s for the free market, and he’s owned by Goldman Sachs. I mean, he and Hillary have more in common than we [libertarians] would have with either Cruz or Trump or any of them so I just don’t think there is much picking.”

When asked if there was a candidate who truly stood for the free market, Paul opined: “On occasion, Bernie comes up with libertarian views when he talks about taking away the cronyism on Wall Street, so in essence he’s right, and occasionally he voted against war.”
Bernie's distrust of the banking establishment is certainly Libertarian in nature. The problem is his solutions for the issue destroy capitalism and finance in general. We need a healthy banking environment, just not one on Wall Street based on bailouts and unfair trading practices. Moreover, we can't trust more government regulation on business when we already have seen the disastrous impacts of special interest being in charge of the regulating, such as the NY Fed, among other things. Hell, I work in accounting and finance, and after Sarbanes-Oxley we now waste so much time on audits that we have whole teams designated to work them. Yet the impacts still transcend those teams to several other areas of the business. It's ludicrous the amount of time spent on this, but for some reason we still need more regulation. It's bullshit.

:agree:

There are two things about Sanders that simply impress me:
1. He has been extremely consistent in his extremely long political career.
2. He has been ahead of his times on pretty much all issues, starting from segregation & the civil rights movement, to Vietnam, to LGBT & women rights, to Iraq and also the 2008 financial collapse.

And if you combine 1 and 2, it gets even more impressive.

Don't get how any informed voter would pick Hillary over him.
1. That's because he was jobless until 40, preaching socialist rhetoric from his parents' basement!

Hillary supporters are obviously OK with Wall Street fraud. There are some of them I know basically saying "shut up Bernie" every day on Facebook. But that makes sense considering these people have high-paying government jobs, so they're doing well for themselves. They probably want Hillary to maintain the status quo for self-preservation, but that's a very stupid strategy since the banks could blow up their jobs.
 

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