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Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
 

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Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
He was much more to the center than the rest of the Republicans. Some members here are showing their true colours.
 

Seven

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Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
I still believe the majority of Republicans think Trump is an idiot. I have to. It's half the USA FFS.

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He was much more to the center than the rest of the Republicans. Some members here are showing their true colours.
Well, some members think the USA can't possibly handle 1000 refugees, so...
 
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    Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
    :agree:

    Compared to this bunch of republican candidates John Mccain was Godsent. Why did he pick Palin as his VP though?
     

    swag

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    Sep 23, 2003
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    Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
    Well, I agreed with the lot who said McCain would be more effective as a voice of sanity within the party and Senate than he would trying to lead the party and country. Every party needs at least a couple of credible voices to call out their own internal bullshit.
     

    Ronn

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    :agree:

    Compared to this bunch of republican candidates John Mccain was Godsent. Why did he pick Palin as his VP though?
    He was scared by Obama's celebrity status, and the fact that he was very popular even without doing anything. He thought choosing a young republican and a former Miss Alaska runner up will help him back into this popularity contest.
    He never imagined she would be this stupid.
     

    swag

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    He was scared by Obama's celebrity status, and the fact that he was very popular even without doing anything. He thought choosing a young republican and a former Miss Alaska runner up will help him back into this popularity contest.
    He never imagined she would be this stupid.
    VP candidate choices are always about trying to patch the voter weaknesses in the primary candidate. For McCain, it was appealing more to younger voters, woman voters, and voters who felt he wasn't enough of a firebrand.
     

    Ronn

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    VP candidate choices are always about trying to patch the voter weaknesses in the primary candidate. For McCain, it was appealing more to younger voters, woman voters, and voters who felt he wasn't enough of a firebrand.
    Yup. But they vet him carefully as well. She was not vetted at all, which is unusual in a national campaign. That's why I think it was more of a desperation move than anything else.
     

    swag

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    Yup. But they vet him carefully as well. She was not vetted at all, which is unusual in a national campaign. That's why I think it was more of a desperation move than anything else.
    True. In terms of vetting, that was kind of a last-minute Hail Mary pass. :seven:
     

    king Ale

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    Oct 28, 2004
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    I was initially suspecting perhaps it was an increasing demand for such disturbing lunacy that Trump was simply responding to but now I think Trump is not only fed by but is also feeding this stupid wave. His fans, those who find his shit appealing, have not come into existence in the past months only. It takes a sane political figure (^) to not give momentum to nonsense. Trump is thriving on nonsense and is the reason for Sanders' popularity on the other side of the spectrum. I have lived the experience of Ahmadinejad gaining power and popularity, and cultural differences aside, Trump and his campaigns are very similar to his. Intellectually lazy people see a lot of originality in the crazy. The crazier you are, the braver ("he's saying things nobody has the balls to") and more authentic ("at least he's genuine") you are perceived by those people even if you are addressing the demands of a small number of people in the beginning.
     

    Ronn

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    Not a big radio listener myself (aside from NPR), but if you want to dig deeper you can find roots of this rise of idiocy to conservative radio hosts. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, etc. just spread bullshit around, and there are just to many of them. Internet memes (like this one below) in social media, with that one line that takes away the nuances of any argument, weakens the position of credible and knowledgeable pundits and experts.

    I also found this New Yorker article very interesting on the rise of far-right:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-far-right-revival-a-thirty-year-war

    ” Demographic projections hold that non-Hispanic whites will become a minority around 2050, Zeskind noted. America has always changed, of course, and this shift brings with it the potential of a diverse, dynamic, and flourishing culture. At the same time, Zeskind predicted, a significant number of white Americans would likely mobilize to retain their political and economic influence. “If the past is prologue, a bitter conflict will begin mid-century and continue a full generation,” Zeskind wrote.

    As he is quoted in the article, the war started sooner than he predicted
     

    Ocelot

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    Jul 13, 2013
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    I was initially suspecting perhaps it was an increasing demand for such disturbing lunacy that Trump was simply responding to but now I think Trump is not only fed by but is also feeding this stupid wave. His fans, those who find his shit appealing, have not come into existence in the past months only. It takes a sane political figure (^) to not give momentum to nonsense. Trump is thriving on nonsense and is the reason for Sanders' popularity on the other side of the spectrum. I have lived the experience of Ahmadinejad gaining power and popularity, and cultural differences aside, Trump and his campaigns are very similar to his. Intellectually lazy people see a lot of originality in the crazy. The crazier you are, the braver ("he's saying things nobody has the balls to") and more authentic ("at least he's genuine") you are perceived by those people even if you are addressing the demands of a small number of people in the beginning.
    It certainly is a reciprocal relationship of sorts.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    Well I don't agree with the vast majority of his policies, but the point made by that statement is something completely different. It's simply about the style and way he conducted himself during debates, in interviews, etc.. Agree with his policies or not, he was much more...sane, a legitimate politician, not that sensasionalist freak show that most of the Reps today are.
    McCain is a Neo-Con, one of the worst. He is right in line with the war criminals Bush and Cheney. The fact people in this thread are defending him over Trump, a guy who hasn't killed anybody AFAIK, just goes to show how reactionary and ignorant people are of our politics. And I don't like Trump.
     

    Ocelot

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    Jul 13, 2013
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    McCain is a Neo-Con, one of the worst. He is right in line with the war criminals Bush and Cheney. The fact people in this thread are defending him over Trump, a guy who hasn't killed anybody AFAIK, just goes to show how reactionary and ignorant people are of our politics. And I don't like Trump.
    I was simply commenting on his style of politics, not the actual content.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    116,016
    Not a big radio listener myself (aside from NPR), but if you want to dig deeper you can find roots of this rise of idiocy to conservative radio hosts. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, etc. just spread bull$#@! around, and there are just to many of them. Internet memes (like this one below) in social media, with that one line that takes away the nuances of any argument, weakens the position of credible and knowledgeable pundits and experts.

    I also found this New Yorker article very interesting on the rise of far-right:

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-far-right-revival-a-thirty-year-war

    ” Demographic projections hold that non-Hispanic whites will become a minority around 2050, Zeskind noted. America has always changed, of course, and this shift brings with it the potential of a diverse, dynamic, and flourishing culture. At the same time, Zeskind predicted, a significant number of white Americans would likely mobilize to retain their political and economic influence. “If the past is prologue, a bitter conflict will begin mid-century and continue a full generation,” Zeskind wrote.

    As he is quoted in the article, the war started sooner than he predicted
    That article is pure sensationalism, which is no surprise coming from the New Yorker. The clowns in Oregon are just one "segment" of the anti-establishment right, and not everyone on that side of the spectrum shares their views or believes in their initiatives. The DHS unit the Republicans shut down was spying on Americans without any probable cause apart from their political beliefs, so everyone should be against that -- whether you're left, right, or center. But of course, the left is becoming more and more authoritarian, as seen with various pundits glorifying programs such as these. They're also seemingly fine with the IRS targeting certain individuals based on political beliefs. So this is no shock. At the end of the day, many of the current administration's policies on domestic spying, outright lies, and overall shadiness creates mistrust and fringe groups such as the Oregon clowns. Really, they should take the appropriation for the DHS unit and create a new one that investigates overall corruption on both sides of the aisle.

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    I was simply commenting on his style of politics, not the actual content.
    Yeah, but at the end of the day... if both are lying, what difference does it make? Maybe some people enjoy being lied to in a calm and collective fashion.

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    Everywhere Rand Paul goes he gets huge standing ovations. But apparently, he doesn't have enough to support to even run.

    Something doesn't make sense here.
     

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