Hindu Zionists 
this man just likes to pull stuff out of his ass and involving it with sensitive issues like this! 
this man just likes to pull stuff out of his ass and involving it with sensitive issues like this! 
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Okay, I thought you were one of those who dismiss without even hearing the person out.
Alex Jones does flood the airwaves with a lot bolstered views, but a lot of what he does present is factual. I was just actually checking whether his facts were right regarding an increase in crime around the United States, checking county by county, and in fact he's correct and not lying. It's just that the general media is not reporting the increase in crime. Moreover, the man features critically acclaimed guests, people who have quite a lot of credibility, including Ron Paul, Max Keiser, and trend analyst Gerald Celente. These guys wouldn't come on his show if he was bogus.
Jone's whole agenda is to get the word out, not mislead people. Perhaps the reason why he does take such a mind-blowing stance is to wake people up, enlightening them to a world that is not what it seems. I always take what he has to say with a grain of salt, but he does spark thinking for oneself, which is important in today's world of utter lies.
This is my favorite airing of his show.
clearly you have never seen a globe...what are the major players surrounding India and Pakistan? lemme throw up 2 names...Russia and China...you don't think the US is worried about their growing economic might and stature in the world?
then you mentioned geo-politics...Israel is using the US's military and financial contributions to keep the Arabs down on the mat, and the US is using Israel for intelligence and as a watchdog in the Middle East...and what is a major threat to Israel? not the Arabs, not even Iran, but Pakistan...we are the only Muslim country equipped with nuclear warheads, and those too that can strike Tel Aviv...so WHO will America use to keep Pakistan at bay? no prizes for guessing that one, yes ladies and gents, the correct answer is India!
Good points, but still, we don't have enough proof yet to conclude that either.
Well, you'll have to beat me down too because I don't believe the story our beloved, "patriotic"
government has provided us.
Alex Jones does flood the airwaves with a lot bolstered views, but a lot of what he does present is factual. I was just actually checking whether his facts were right regarding an increase in crime around the United States, checking county by county, and in fact he's correct and not lying. It's just that the general media is not reporting the increase in crime. Moreover, the man features critically acclaimed guests, people who have quite a lot of credibility, including Ron Paul, Max Keiser, and trend analyst Gerald Celente. These guys wouldn't come on his show if he was bogus.
Jone's whole agenda is to get the word out, not mislead people. Perhaps the reason why he does take such a mind-blowing stance is to wake people up, enlightening them to a world that is not what it seems. I always take what he has to say with a grain of salt, but he does spark thinking for oneself, which is important in today's world of utter lies.
This is my favorite airing of his show.
clearly you have never seen a globe...what are the major players surrounding India and Pakistan? lemme throw up 2 names...Russia and China...you don't think the US is worried about their growing economic might and stature in the world? then you mentioned geo-politics...Israel is using the US's military and financial contributions to keep the Arabs down on the mat, and the US is using Israel for intelligence and as a watchdog in the Middle East...and what is a major threat to Israel? not the Arabs, not even Iran, but Pakistan...we are the only Muslim country equipped with nuclear warheads, and those too that can strike Tel Aviv...so WHO will America use to keep Pakistan at bay? no prizes for guessing that one, yes ladies and gents, the correct answer is India!
Well, you'll have to beat me down too because I don't believe the story our beloved, "patriotic"
government has provided us.
Was watching a couple of articles last night. And the media here seems quite flabbergasted with the way the Pak media has been approaching things. They continued to relay images and discussions as the ones we're discussing here, where Hindu Zionists were being blamed for the attacks. Where Pakistan's security consultant went on to say that India had planned to replicate 9/11 and do as good a cover job as the US did back then. But unfortunately we couldn't pull it off like they did. Ludicrous is how I describe such insensitive and incapable remarks. Pacifist theories will be nipped in the bud when you have people like this flaoating around.
Anyway, further investigations are proving that the terrorists underwent training at the mangla dam in Pakistan, to which civilians have no access. Only the army does. Again highlighting the military precision with which this operation was carried out in. I'm unable to find that article on the net, but this is what has appeared on the news today. Not just reported by prominent news channels here, but the New York Times.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080075154&type=News
were being blamed for the attacks. Where Pakistan's security consultant went on to say that India had planned to replicate 9/11 and do as good a cover job as the US did back then. But unfortunately we couldn't pull it off like they did. Ludicrous is how I describe such insensitive and incapable remarks. Pacifist theories will be nipped in the bud when you have people like this flaoating around. Anyway, further investigations are proving that the terrorists underwent training at the mangla dam in Pakistan, to which civilians have no access. Only the army does. Again highlighting the military precision with which this operation was carried out in. I'm unable to find that article on the net, but this is what has appeared on the news today. Not just reported by prominent news channels here, but the New York Times.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080075154&type=News
dude how much tangible proof does one need? go check the amount of financial and military aid Israel gets from the US...it is more than the rest of the world combined! Israel is equipped with nuclear weapons, no matter how much they deny it...the rest of the world scenario is pretty much obvious to anyone who is taking note...
Was watching a couple of articles last night. And the media here seems quite flabbergasted with the way the Pak media has been approaching things. They continued to relay images and discussions as the ones we're discussing here, where Hindu Zionists were being blamed for the attacks. Where Pakistan's security consultant went on to say that India had planned to replicate 9/11 and do as good a cover job as the US did back then. But unfortunately we couldn't pull it off like they did. Ludicrous is how I describe such insensitive and incapable remarks. Pacifist theories will be nipped in the bud when you have people like this floating around.
Anyway, further investigations are proving that the terrorists underwent training at the mangla dam in Pakistan, to which civilians have no access. Only the army does. Again highlighting the military precision with which this operation was carried out in. I'm unable to find that article on the net, but this is what has appeared on the news today. Not just reported by prominent news channels here, but the New York Times.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080075154&type=News
were being blamed for the attacks. Where Pakistan's security consultant went on to say that India had planned to replicate 9/11 and do as good a cover job as the US did back then. But unfortunately we couldn't pull it off like they did. Ludicrous is how I describe such insensitive and incapable remarks. Pacifist theories will be nipped in the bud when you have people like this floating around. Anyway, further investigations are proving that the terrorists underwent training at the mangla dam in Pakistan, to which civilians have no access. Only the army does. Again highlighting the military precision with which this operation was carried out in. I'm unable to find that article on the net, but this is what has appeared on the news today. Not just reported by prominent news channels here, but the New York Times.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20080075154&type=News
I know full well of how much aid we give that terroristic nation, and I have stated time and time again that our support for Israel is the primary cause of all our (US) current international troubles. If it was up to me, I'd stop funding them right away. It's not like they'll have our backs when somebody attacks us; in reality they just protect their own internal interests.
Wouldn't be surprised if Mossad had a hand in these attacks, just like I wouldn't be surprised that the Pakistani government had a hand in these attacks as well. I just need more proof before making a conclusion considering I do not follow Pakistani and Indian news organizations. Who knows what they spew.
Wouldn't be surprised if Mossad had a hand in these attacks, just like I wouldn't be surprised that the Pakistani government had a hand in these attacks as well. I just need more proof before making a conclusion considering I do not follow Pakistani and Indian news organizations. Who knows what they spew.
Spaghetti Zionists 
Zaid Hamid is a prick.A regular anti-America,anti-Israel fucktard who enjoys coming up with his conspiracy theories.And no,he isnt Pakistan's security consultant.Just a random self styled security expert who has his own show on TV.
That's a mighty reliable article you bring up Baggio
"A former A former Defense Department official said on Wednesday that American intelligence agencies had determined that former officers from Pakistan's Army and its powerful Inter Services Intelligence agency helped train the Mumbai attackers"
Please tell me you dont believe this.
Civilians do have access to Mangla Dam.Mangla isnt a strategic location to begin with,so any news article that claims that the militants were trained there is completley false.It's obvious that these articles are being written by people who have absoloutley no knowledge about The Pakistani Army,and everything coming out of the media,is being done to gather attention that it.India's own naval chief has criticsed the Indian Media's role in the whole thing.What more do you want?
That's a mighty reliable article you bring up Baggio
"A former A former Defense Department official said on Wednesday that American intelligence agencies had determined that former officers from Pakistan's Army and its powerful Inter Services Intelligence agency helped train the Mumbai attackers"
Please tell me you dont believe this.
Civilians do have access to Mangla Dam.Mangla isnt a strategic location to begin with,so any news article that claims that the militants were trained there is completley false.It's obvious that these articles are being written by people who have absoloutley no knowledge about The Pakistani Army,and everything coming out of the media,is being done to gather attention that it.India's own naval chief has criticsed the Indian Media's role in the whole thing.What more do you want?
Are Mumbai attacks a chance for peace?
Guest columnist Ahmed Rashid in Lahore argues that rising tension between India and Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks might provide the two countries with an opportunity to extract a more lasting peace.
If Lashkar-e-Toiba is indeed responsible for the attacks - as Indian authorities claim and Pakistan denies - it will be the second time that the group has single-handedly put the two countries on a war footing. In 2002 each mobilised one million men for nearly a year after Lashkar attacked the Indian parliament.
The attacks have led to rising public anger in India against Pakistan and right wing Pakistani jingoism against India, in which some have even called on the moderate President Asif Ali Zardari to go to war.
When the Pakistan army finally stopped allowing Pakistan-based militant groups from infiltrating into Indian-administered Kashmir in 2004, groups like Lashkar, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-ul Mujheddin splintered and fragmented.
Besieged
Some militants went home, others got jobs or stayed in camps in the mountains.
However the youngest and most radicalised fighters joined up with al-Qaeda and the Pakistani and Afghan Taleban in the mountains of Pakistan's tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan.
They embraced the global jihad to fight US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and later attacked the Pakistan government and army as the Pakistani Taleban developed their own political agenda to seize power.
The group that attacked Mumbai may well include some Pakistanis, but it is more likely to be an international terrorist force put together by al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taleban, who are besieged by the Pakistan army on one side and a rain of missiles being launched by US forces in Afghanistan against their hideouts on the other.
Al-Qaeda is looking for some relief and a diversion.
What better way to do so than by provoking the two old enemies - India and Pakistan - with a terrorist attack that diverts attention away from the tribal areas?
Such a move would force Pakistani troops back to the Indian border while simultaneously pre-occupying US and Nato countries in hectic diplomacy to prevent the region exploding.
A diversion such as this would preserve extremist sanctuaries along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border and would provide militants with a much needed respite - especially considering that in the next few months President-elect Barak Obama is due to send an additional 20,000 US troops to Afghanistan, backed by more Nato troops.
Unfounded
This strategic diversion ploy for the sake of al-Qaeda and its surrogates is the principle motive behind the Mumbai terrorist attacks.
It worked well in 2002 when the Pakistan army moved away from the Afghan border to meet the Indian mobilisation, thereby allowing al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taleban to escape from Afghanistan and consolidate their positions in the tribal areas.
If the two countries now mobilise their forces against one another they will be walking straight into the trap laid for them by al-Qaeda.
Charges that the Pakistan government, army or its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were behind the attack appear unfounded.
Pakistan can hardly contemplate a rise in tensions with India when it is beset by a monumental economic crisis, insurgencies in Balochistan and in North West Frontier Province, rising violence in Karachi and one-third of the country out of control of any constitutional authority.
Certainly Pakistan is not blameless. The army and its former military ruler President Pervez Musharraf must be faulted for refusing after 2004 to properly demobilise Kashmiri militant groups and being so reluctant to deal with the insurgency in the tribal areas. It was not until August when the army finally began a sustained offensive there.
And despite Musharraf's own peace overtures to India after 2004, the army itself has been slow to make the strategic shift from seeing India as the primary threat. It has taken time to understand that local extremists now pose a far greater danger.
As the militants working under the umbrella of al-Qaeda have targeted the army in the mountains and in its cantonments, the army has retaliated but it has been slow and late in doing so.
If India and Pakistan can understand that they are both victims of a strategic diversion by al-Qaeda and if international mediation can help deepen that understanding, then there is perhaps a greater opportunity for the two countries to address the conflicts that have bedevilled their relationship for 60 years - Kashmir and other lesser issues.
It will certainly be difficult for the two countries to walk away from the brink. India has a weak government whose counter-terrorism policies have been a failure and which faces an election in the next six months. The Indian public and media are demanding revenge - not co-operation with Islamabad.
Pakistan also has a weak government that is still trying to set parameters of co-operation with an army which dominates foreign and strategic policy and controls the ISI, the most powerful political entity in the country.
Pakistan's other problems could well overwhelm the government - a troops mobilisation is the last thing it needs.
To turn the possibility of war into the possibility of peace, the leadership of both countries need to show statesmanship, determination and authority even if they have to defy the public mood in their respective countries to do so.
Ahmed Rashid is the author of the recently published Descent into Chaos: How the war against Islamic extremism is being lost in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7764475.stm
Guest columnist Ahmed Rashid in Lahore argues that rising tension between India and Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks might provide the two countries with an opportunity to extract a more lasting peace.
If Lashkar-e-Toiba is indeed responsible for the attacks - as Indian authorities claim and Pakistan denies - it will be the second time that the group has single-handedly put the two countries on a war footing. In 2002 each mobilised one million men for nearly a year after Lashkar attacked the Indian parliament.
The attacks have led to rising public anger in India against Pakistan and right wing Pakistani jingoism against India, in which some have even called on the moderate President Asif Ali Zardari to go to war.
When the Pakistan army finally stopped allowing Pakistan-based militant groups from infiltrating into Indian-administered Kashmir in 2004, groups like Lashkar, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Harkat-ul Mujheddin splintered and fragmented.
Besieged
Some militants went home, others got jobs or stayed in camps in the mountains.
However the youngest and most radicalised fighters joined up with al-Qaeda and the Pakistani and Afghan Taleban in the mountains of Pakistan's tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan.
They embraced the global jihad to fight US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and later attacked the Pakistan government and army as the Pakistani Taleban developed their own political agenda to seize power.
The group that attacked Mumbai may well include some Pakistanis, but it is more likely to be an international terrorist force put together by al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taleban, who are besieged by the Pakistan army on one side and a rain of missiles being launched by US forces in Afghanistan against their hideouts on the other.
Al-Qaeda is looking for some relief and a diversion.
What better way to do so than by provoking the two old enemies - India and Pakistan - with a terrorist attack that diverts attention away from the tribal areas?
Such a move would force Pakistani troops back to the Indian border while simultaneously pre-occupying US and Nato countries in hectic diplomacy to prevent the region exploding.
A diversion such as this would preserve extremist sanctuaries along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border and would provide militants with a much needed respite - especially considering that in the next few months President-elect Barak Obama is due to send an additional 20,000 US troops to Afghanistan, backed by more Nato troops.
Unfounded
This strategic diversion ploy for the sake of al-Qaeda and its surrogates is the principle motive behind the Mumbai terrorist attacks.
It worked well in 2002 when the Pakistan army moved away from the Afghan border to meet the Indian mobilisation, thereby allowing al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taleban to escape from Afghanistan and consolidate their positions in the tribal areas.
If the two countries now mobilise their forces against one another they will be walking straight into the trap laid for them by al-Qaeda.
Charges that the Pakistan government, army or its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) were behind the attack appear unfounded.
Pakistan can hardly contemplate a rise in tensions with India when it is beset by a monumental economic crisis, insurgencies in Balochistan and in North West Frontier Province, rising violence in Karachi and one-third of the country out of control of any constitutional authority.
Certainly Pakistan is not blameless. The army and its former military ruler President Pervez Musharraf must be faulted for refusing after 2004 to properly demobilise Kashmiri militant groups and being so reluctant to deal with the insurgency in the tribal areas. It was not until August when the army finally began a sustained offensive there.
And despite Musharraf's own peace overtures to India after 2004, the army itself has been slow to make the strategic shift from seeing India as the primary threat. It has taken time to understand that local extremists now pose a far greater danger.
As the militants working under the umbrella of al-Qaeda have targeted the army in the mountains and in its cantonments, the army has retaliated but it has been slow and late in doing so.
If India and Pakistan can understand that they are both victims of a strategic diversion by al-Qaeda and if international mediation can help deepen that understanding, then there is perhaps a greater opportunity for the two countries to address the conflicts that have bedevilled their relationship for 60 years - Kashmir and other lesser issues.
It will certainly be difficult for the two countries to walk away from the brink. India has a weak government whose counter-terrorism policies have been a failure and which faces an election in the next six months. The Indian public and media are demanding revenge - not co-operation with Islamabad.
Pakistan also has a weak government that is still trying to set parameters of co-operation with an army which dominates foreign and strategic policy and controls the ISI, the most powerful political entity in the country.
Pakistan's other problems could well overwhelm the government - a troops mobilisation is the last thing it needs.
To turn the possibility of war into the possibility of peace, the leadership of both countries need to show statesmanship, determination and authority even if they have to defy the public mood in their respective countries to do so.
Ahmed Rashid is the author of the recently published Descent into Chaos: How the war against Islamic extremism is being lost in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7764475.stm