icεmαή;1822425 said:
I'ven't misunderstood the 'kill yourself' thing... If you check other news sites you'll come to know that they have come here on a suicide mission... only this time they didn't blow themselves up...
The reason my opinion sounds alien to you is because I haven't let my heart rule my head... yet...
Just critisizing the politicians is not enough... It wasn't only the politicians who were at fault... It was an intelligence failure... It took the navy 5 days to accept that... Instead we were blaming the Pakistani government from the word go... If the government had accepted an intelligence failure at first and then blamed Pakistan, I wouldn't have been irked as I'm now... You know how us Indians get hyped up when Pakistan is involved in anything, let it be war or cricket... So by pulling the 'its Pakistan who did it' line, the government managed to limit its damage in the firing line... People got so fired up around me that they wanted immediate military action on Pakistan... That to me is stupidity... The government successfully managed to turn the eye of a substantial number of people from questioning their failure... and to an extent that of the IB, RAW and the Navy...
I don't see people coming out from nowhere into this forum and screaming at our government... but I see a lot of people screaming at the ISI...
Ours bombing of Pakistan will not reduce the number of terrorist attacks in the future... It might only increase it... But our tightening of security forces, putting up NSG in major cities, upgrading the weapons used by our police officers etc. will allow us to thwart the attempts of terrorist attacks on our soil...
I am an Indian and proud to be one... Its one of the reasons why I'm still in India, even though I've been offered a better life abroad... Its one of the reasons I pay my taxes and not try to fake my returns... Its one of the reasons I don't bribe police officers and say things like 'Whats the use of paying to the goverment, it goes to the politicians pockets anyways'... My love for this country remains the same, terrorist attack or not... Just because I don't hate/blame Pakistan for everything happening around our country doesn't make me a lesser Indian...
And for the record, I've a soft corner for Pakistanis... I've lived around them for a long time... They are no different from us... they go through the same (actually more) problems like us... Most people who call for Pakistans blood have never met a Pakistani in real life... I'm not saying all of them are good, but there's evil everywhere... They are a misunderstood lot in India, just like Indians are in Pakistan... I think you get the flow...
I've been to bombay a couple of times but not recently...
Try finding a thread here called 'India rocks'. We'd gone through similar reactions in the 06 blasts. Through that thread, you'll know how much I am for unity in the sub continent. I dont know too many Pakistanis in person, though I was in touch with Salman and Ze on these forums when I had a little more time on my hands. Salman in particular knows how chilled out I normally am, and before I forget, have both my Nani and Dadi hailing from Model Town Lahore.
So there is definitely a sense of nostalgia when it comes to pre-partition especially when I hear their stories. And how they wish these countries never broke up. It doesnt take much to see how similar we are as people either. Someone in the family is to marry a girl with Pakistani origin, and it's a wedding all of us would be looking forward to, for the mix of culture and tradition that it will bring. So dont misintepret the statements. I've never had any problems with Pakistani people, because like you are quite right in saying, they are no different. I dont understand them, but I do islam, coz I've got a lot of muslim friends. It really is an issue with the politicians that represent them and the sorry excuse for an intelligence agency and army that is given the responsibility of defending them. Collectively speaking, I dont rate Pakistan very highly as a country, because of its lax approach to democracy and regressive ideologies. That is probably why they aren't as thriving a nation as India is. We belong to the free world, our ways and methods are such.
You know why we get 'hyped' which I wouldn't agree with as a term, is because we chase a united front. Their artists come here to earn a living, their citizens do too, we accept them with open arms. So if there is something of this nature that finds its roots on their soil, we are bound to feel a sense of anger. And we should be allowed to do so. I'm sick and tired of seeing the news around me, and especially hearing the opinions of people like these.
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Eij5o7XizIA
If you follow the pictures being relayed on channels here, of people on the streets you'll see, there is no communal tension here. Both, Hindus and Muslims are united in this war against terror and that's how it should be. Unlike '93, there is a sense of maturity that gives me so much confidence in our great country.
I'm completely for everything that you say in terms of security. There is no doubt in my mind that we introspect before we question others. But that's what has happened here. A knee jerk reaction at this point would make things highly unstable. And at the same time, this anger needs to be channelised. But that's exactly how the government has been approaching it. We're not saying Pakistan failed us. We're saying our intelligence was caught off, but Pakistan now needs to co-operate given the leads we've got. Which is exactly what should be happening.
The NSG can no longer be the preserve of the capital, to the best of my knowledge the RAW had passed on this information before the attack. But because of these guys coming in on the night of the operation, it was very hard to trace anything down, due to the lack of specifics.
It's like one of the debates on the news here threw up. The government doesnt deserve any of the taxes so they can buy themselves fancy cars and dole out land to their bed buddies. It's taken an event like this on our symbol of culture, wealth, art, architecture and power to wake up and take notice of the times we live in. Like 9/11 wasn't enough.
Having said all of this, I think India has the right to defend itself as a sovereign state. And bring the guilty to justice. There is no other way to react to such a dastardly act, whatever the consequences.
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You sure dont sound like an Indian to me bro (not with your opinions at this point anyway) But you'll notice the palpable anger that's spilling on the city's streets. And you know what? We're cursing our politicians right now more than we are the Pakistanis, and rightfully so. So when you feel proud about putting up information like the Navy Chief admitting intelligence failure make sure you contextualize it, because this is not justifying anybody's actions. 
