Mumbai Shootings (3 Viewers)
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Given the current President's wife was killed by extremist, I doubt they had a hand in this. However, as is clearly seen with their participation in the "war on terror", Pakistan isn't entirely in control of their country, so any Pakistani link that emerges must take this into consideration. The Americans are facing this exact problem right now with Pakistan.
Just like the 9/11 terrorist tried to put U.S/Saudi relations in a weird spot, these attacks attempted to exploit India/Pakistan relations. Hopefully India realizes this if the Pakistan link is confirmed.
Just like the 9/11 terrorist tried to put U.S/Saudi relations in a weird spot, these attacks attempted to exploit India/Pakistan relations. Hopefully India realizes this if the Pakistan link is confirmed.
It's complicated, I agree.
Anyways, my point is that Pakistan cannot be blamed for these attacks, as u must be aware of the lawlessness of these areas. I hope India take this into consideration before they take any dramatic action against Pakistan as a whole.
As for them being freedom fighters to some, once they started killing innocent people with no interest or involvement in their struggle, they lost that title.
Anyways, my point is that Pakistan cannot be blamed for these attacks, as u must be aware of the lawlessness of these areas. I hope India take this into consideration before they take any dramatic action against Pakistan as a whole.
As for them being freedom fighters to some, once they started killing innocent people with no interest or involvement in their struggle, they lost that title.
Pakistan cannot be blamed is what everyone`s sayind....can someone care to explain why we should not be laying the blame at pakistans doorstep??
The captured terrorist has spilt the beans on the pakistani connection already, if the pakistani government is not in control of these organisations then it their own doing, they are the ones that created these terrorists. As a resident of bombay, it hurts to see these cunts causing such mayhem out here.....Pakistan nutures these cunts and then expects us to not blame them??
The captured terrorist has spilt the beans on the pakistani connection already, if the pakistani government is not in control of these organisations then it their own doing, they are the ones that created these terrorists. As a resident of bombay, it hurts to see these cunts causing such mayhem out here.....Pakistan nutures these cunts and then expects us to not blame them??
Unfortunately, I dont have the time at this point to put up my thoughts in detail but I want to let you guys know how much my blood is boiling. Sidd you are spot on with it. Pakistan is to be blamed 100%. Enough of this shit. I'm tired of hearing Ahmed and Salman's comments because there is absolutely no defense this time around. It's pathetic that one of you even threw up the CIA's involvement. Anyway, this is no longer about the tribal territories around Pakistan, it's about a sat phone with calls being logged to Karachi to get in touch with the Lashkar chief who was directing them. For the uninitiated, the Taj is a monument that has highlighted Mumbai's coastline since 1903. The lives that were lost in this audacious attack have stirred our nation. And there is going to be a reaction of no less monumental proportions than the attack itself. You'll have been crying about evidence, we'll fucking give it to you. Go read Azam Amir Kasav's (the captured terrorist's) statements. Go read about where he was trained, who he was trained by and where the journey began. For all the moderators here, dont mind the abusive language because I've got friends in the Taj, i've attended marriages at both properties, I've lived through 9/11 and then 60 hours of its sequel in 26/11 which has gone well beyond anything in my wildest dreams. Our city has taken enough damage over the last 5 years. And this is no longer about it being an attack on Mumbai's heritage. It's an attack on India. And they've left a lot more burning within us. Motherfuckers.
To all the guys defending Pak`s stance here, i understand your sentiment to get defensive about your country....but i`m sorry guys enough is enough.....93 blasts....carried out with the ISI and Dawood`s help....more than enough incriminating evidence there......Kargil war....seriously guys whats your defense on that???.....2006 mumbai train blasts...and now 26/11.....how can you be so fucking blind to the evidence against Pak and its fucked up ISI organisation.....Im sorry guys but its time Pakistan rather than acting like a bunch whiny pussies to hold its hand up and say...."We fucked up in creating LET and letting the ISI run amok and we are going to do something about this ". Be proactive now...this is screwed up concept of jihand and terrorism is affecting both countries and its time fr pak to do soemthing about it since its all taking shape on their lands.
I find this very amusing. Every time shit pops off in India they all point their fingers at Pakistan.
Even if the terrorists were from Pakistan what does that have to do with anything? Obviously these people had grievances with India. If it was only foreigners they were after they could have just bombed another hotel à la Islamabad Marriott Hotel, couldn't they?
Do you know how many foreign terrorists are operating in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Thousands! But do you see us pointing our fingers at Syria, Yemen, Egypt, or wherever these terrorists hail from? No! Why can't Indians get it in their head that they're not immune from local terrorism or from hurting the sentiments of their people?
Terrorism is a global problem and it can happen anywhere to anyone for any reason.
Even if the terrorists were from Pakistan what does that have to do with anything? Obviously these people had grievances with India. If it was only foreigners they were after they could have just bombed another hotel à la Islamabad Marriott Hotel, couldn't they?
Do you know how many foreign terrorists are operating in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan? Thousands! But do you see us pointing our fingers at Syria, Yemen, Egypt, or wherever these terrorists hail from? No! Why can't Indians get it in their head that they're not immune from local terrorism or from hurting the sentiments of their people?
Terrorism is a global problem and it can happen anywhere to anyone for any reason.
Don't you think we should do something about our inefficiencies as well? Two dead in a train blast in Assam today... A group called the Indian Mujahideen (operatives all Indians) blows up areas all over India... An Army Colonel accused of blasts in Malegaon... Pakistan has been inefficient in fighting terror brewing in their land... But if you use common sense we haven't been very efficient either...
Tahir.....dont deny the fact that Pakistan and its ISI org are responsible for creating outfits such as the LET and providing them with arms , ammo and whatnot, the fact is that after creating this monster ....they have no control over it now....I totally understand your comment about the Mariott attack....tell me since then....has Pak done anything to go after the guys who caused it.....another known fact....Dawood who was the brains behind the 93 blasts has safe harbor in pak...again, u want us not to blame pak?? if they were serious they would have done something about it.
Iceman....we have alot of ineffeciencies as well....no denying that....but soemone like the IM like you said...all indians...even the 93 bombs were planted by residents of bombay.....BUT they would have never done this without getting arms, ammo, rdx and training from the ISI.....its a known fact that all the guys who planted the bombs in 93 went to pak for training...and thats from where the ammo and explosives came
I wish you all the luck in the beginning of World War III, I really do. This is the sort of thing that sparks wars. If the assassination of one leader or a brawl at a football stadium can spark wars, this attack is monumental in comparison.
Unfortunately, the United States doesn't have any bargaining chips left on the table considering we invaded Iraq after 9/11, so there is no incentive for the leaders of India to listen to what we have to say. The bird has flown from the nest.
India starts attacking various fronts along the border of Pakistan, the Pakistanis start to retaliate, tensions are driven sky high, briefcases with launch codes are nearby, powerful nations such as the US tries to deter matters but fails, surrounding nations see more fighting spread over their borders, Iran becomes involved, Israel then becomes involved and sees an opportunity to strike their targets, and bloom... that's WWIII.
If the terrorists in this case were indeed sent in by the Pakistani government, India has a right to respond and hopefully they will.
Unfortunately, the United States doesn't have any bargaining chips left on the table considering we invaded Iraq after 9/11, so there is no incentive for the leaders of India to listen to what we have to say. The bird has flown from the nest.
India starts attacking various fronts along the border of Pakistan, the Pakistanis start to retaliate, tensions are driven sky high, briefcases with launch codes are nearby, powerful nations such as the US tries to deter matters but fails, surrounding nations see more fighting spread over their borders, Iran becomes involved, Israel then becomes involved and sees an opportunity to strike their targets, and bloom... that's WWIII.
If the terrorists in this case were indeed sent in by the Pakistani government, India has a right to respond and hopefully they will.
No one wants a war here....all we`re saying that Pakistan cannot keep quite and deny the fact that these terror outfits are nutured by their own.....We`d be more than happy if pak grows a set of balls and actually goes after the guys sitting up there in pak who orchestrate these attacks and eliminates them....take steps to wipe out these terror outfits....I`m sure the we and the other affected countries wont mind givin em a helping hand with that!
You still dont get it Ze. They didn't just kill foreigners, a lot of Indians lost their lives to start with. That's not the point here though. Terrorism maybe a global problem, but what you dont realise is the ISI is allowing outfits like the Lashkar to thrive and carry out missions like this in India.
Nobody is free from local terrorism, but at least we dont allow our terrorists to cross the border. Are you aware that after giving us his word, your foreign minister did a U-turn on his stance of sending the ISI chief whose co-operation was requested. And then said, only associates would be sent. Fuck that. We dont need that. The RAW like I pointed out earlier already cracked the case, once the BASTARDS forgot their sattelite phone in the trawler they entered the shores with. The calls logged in that phone is all the proof that's required. But if that's not enough go read Kasav's statments on the link below. Stop fucking defending your nation's stance on this front. I'm sick and tired of this pretentious behaviour and in the interests of this forum i dont want to escalate this any further. So dont make my blood boil by trying to cite ineffencies of the Indian mindset towards terror. And really, we'll know just how much Zardari will co-operate when India hands him a list of terrorists operating in the region. I've always been for Indo Pak unity, but seeing these thoughts and those of your politicians, I've realised you'll will always be a country where terrorists thrive. And operate out of.
The least you can do as a Pakistani at this point is try and understand an Indian's sentiments towards what has happened before pointing fingers back saying we're hurting our own people. It makes me sick.
Go read this
http://www.aaj.tv/news/National/123394_detail.html
First of all, I find it very hard to believe that Pakistan or the ISI is actively supporting a terrorist organization post India becoming a nuclear power. I don't know if you've noticed but ever since both sides pulled troops back from the LOC and announced the cease fire no major incident has occurred in Kashmir from Pakistan's end. There have been all sorts of problems in Indian administered Kashmir on the other hand because obviously Kashmiri's are being mistreated.
If you really want to talk about things based on what the surviving terrorist is talking about then explain why they said they're angry about the treatment their Kashmiri brethren are getting?
As for Dawood Ibrahim, isn't he Indian? So first your own government fails to stop him from the '93 blast, then doesn't manage to arrest him, and then they turn around and blame Pakistan for harboring him? Does that make any sense to you?
You think Pakistan hasn't done anything since the Marriott Hotel bombing? Where have you been? They've gained massive territories where these idiots live and as a consequence of the bombing many locals who were previously harboring them are now helping the government. Just a couple of weeks ago the Taliban dropped a bomb in the middle of a Jirga where they were discussing the dismissal of terrorists.
I'm sure Pakistan is not efficient enough in fighting terrorism as we would all like them to be. I know because my people are subject to terrorism on the daily over there. I just don't appreciate it that every time something goes down in India automatically the fingers point at Pakistan.
And you know what's so difficult about fighting terrorists? You don't know they're terrorists until they do something. They are average folk, they have no priors, and if you ask their families they were all 'nice loving' people.
If you really want to talk about things based on what the surviving terrorist is talking about then explain why they said they're angry about the treatment their Kashmiri brethren are getting?
As for Dawood Ibrahim, isn't he Indian? So first your own government fails to stop him from the '93 blast, then doesn't manage to arrest him, and then they turn around and blame Pakistan for harboring him? Does that make any sense to you?
You think Pakistan hasn't done anything since the Marriott Hotel bombing? Where have you been? They've gained massive territories where these idiots live and as a consequence of the bombing many locals who were previously harboring them are now helping the government. Just a couple of weeks ago the Taliban dropped a bomb in the middle of a Jirga where they were discussing the dismissal of terrorists.
I'm sure Pakistan is not efficient enough in fighting terrorism as we would all like them to be. I know because my people are subject to terrorism on the daily over there. I just don't appreciate it that every time something goes down in India automatically the fingers point at Pakistan.
And you know what's so difficult about fighting terrorists? You don't know they're terrorists until they do something. They are average folk, they have no priors, and if you ask their families they were all 'nice loving' people.
Last time I checked Lashakar-e-Taiba was banned over there. So unless you know the inner workings of the government or the ISI I really don't care what you have to say about that because it's nothing but hearsay.
You know why they retracted their statement? Because a) they're morons b) they realized that sending a senior official made them look guilty. About the satellite phone: do you really think that these people "forgot" it on the boat? This was one of the most well planned and executed crimes to the point where they had food stashed in the hotel rooms. I find it very hard to believe. All this might be true I would just like you to wait until you jump the gun.
I totally understand your frustration and I'm not telling you to point your fingers at anyone. Just don't point it at Pakistan every time you hear bang. Most Pakistani's are suffering with you. I don't think there's any Pakistani that I know or on these forums that doesn't feel bad about this. I followed the siege hour-by-hour and I was as angry as anyone about what was going on. Heck, I even saw the funeral of Karkare.
You know why they retracted their statement? Because a) they're morons b) they realized that sending a senior official made them look guilty. About the satellite phone: do you really think that these people "forgot" it on the boat? This was one of the most well planned and executed crimes to the point where they had food stashed in the hotel rooms. I find it very hard to believe. All this might be true I would just like you to wait until you jump the gun.
I totally understand your frustration and I'm not telling you to point your fingers at anyone. Just don't point it at Pakistan every time you hear bang. Most Pakistani's are suffering with you. I don't think there's any Pakistani that I know or on these forums that doesn't feel bad about this. I followed the siege hour-by-hour and I was as angry as anyone about what was going on. Heck, I even saw the funeral of Karkare.