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A nice article about FF market share...
http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-US/Technicals/index-1-2-3-68.html
http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-US/Technicals/index-1-2-3-68.html
An argument I am having on another forum:
2002 like specs? 1.6 GHz Core Duo, 1024 MB RAM? Wow, you really should have followed up on my reviews after the one given months ago. I have 3 computers including the one you have referred to.
While I admit to being biased, it doesn't prevent me from giving an honest assessment, and where certain products are better, you of all people know that. I have for example, openly admitted that Dreamweaver is better than NVU...
I had to turn off my AV, you didn't. Kool for you, bad for me.
Open your task manager and check out the amount of system resources the software hogs, then we can resume talking on this one. Heavy is not about the size of the installation file, but about the amount of system resources it utilizes. Recommendation, install Firefox 2.0, download SiSandra and then put both through their paces.
Refer to previous responses.
I do.
On December 15, a Silicon Valley computer security firm said it had notified Microsoft that it had found that flaw, as well as five other vulnerabilities, including one serious error in the software code underlying the company's new Internet Explorer 7 browser.
The reports said one of the flaws, the browser, is particularly troubling because it potentially means that Web users could become infected with malicious software simply by visiting a booby-trapped site and makes it possible for an attacker to inject rogue software into the Vista-based computer.
Which is exactly the point I have always been making. Why do we all have to scamper whenever Uncle Bill has a hard on?
2002 like specs? 1.6 GHz Core Duo, 1024 MB RAM? Wow, you really should have followed up on my reviews after the one given months ago. I have 3 computers including the one you have referred to.
Second, admit you are just a little bit biased here 
. At least on the Vista thread, you made no attempts to hide your bias against Microsoft. You run Ubuntu OS (a linux-based operating system). I have no idea how IE7 works on Ubuntu. I have tested IE7 on Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows Vista (both 32 and 64 bit versions; Beta 2, RC1, and RC2), as well as Mozilla's Firefox 1-1.5 and Firefox 2. Frankly there's little difference between firefox 1.5 and 2 and while they clearly thumped IE6 or older, no such thumping exists over IE7.
. At least on the Vista thread, you made no attempts to hide your bias against Microsoft. You run Ubuntu OS (a linux-based operating system). I have no idea how IE7 works on Ubuntu. I have tested IE7 on Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows Vista (both 32 and 64 bit versions; Beta 2, RC1, and RC2), as well as Mozilla's Firefox 1-1.5 and Firefox 2. Frankly there's little difference between firefox 1.5 and 2 and while they clearly thumped IE6 or older, no such thumping exists over IE7.
I had to turn off my AV, you didn't. Kool for you, bad for me.
Open your task manager and check out the amount of system resources the software hogs, then we can resume talking on this one. Heavy is not about the size of the installation file, but about the amount of system resources it utilizes. Recommendation, install Firefox 2.0, download SiSandra and then put both through their paces.
Refer to previous responses.
I do.
On December 15, a Silicon Valley computer security firm said it had notified Microsoft that it had found that flaw, as well as five other vulnerabilities, including one serious error in the software code underlying the company's new Internet Explorer 7 browser.
The reports said one of the flaws, the browser, is particularly troubling because it potentially means that Web users could become infected with malicious software simply by visiting a booby-trapped site and makes it possible for an attacker to inject rogue software into the Vista-based computer.
Which is exactly the point I have always been making. Why do we all have to scamper whenever Uncle Bill has a hard on?
So I told them in my next response:
This report should come in handy in settling this case.
You forgot the Ctrl+T. Works in both, and is way faster than going for the menu with your mouse. If you didn't know about the Ctrl+T option, then you aren't qualified to write a review.
Guy, Firefox is open source. For that reason it has far more extensions than IE. There is a quaint little button at the top left hand corner of your nav bar titled Getting Started. Click it and explore.
As a former sys admin for two different companies in Nigeria, I am concerned about bottom line. That is money. It is absolutely fool hardy to spend money on new hardware because you want to run new software when the old software is still working perfectly. That is the reason I adopted the habit of doing a lot of R&D.
Eye candy? Customisable themes in Firefox?
This is an argument that won't go away. Die hard enthusiasts can give you reasons why FOSS is far better than M$, die hard loyalists can gove you reasons why M$ is better. From my own experience and speaking from a strictly technical view point, I know FOSS to be better. Problem is the learning curve, which is where Ubuntu has done a good job. Problem once again is that people prefer to live in the comfort zone. And that is where FOSS has a lot of work to do.
This report should come in handy in settling this case.
You forgot the Ctrl+T. Works in both, and is way faster than going for the menu with your mouse. If you didn't know about the Ctrl+T option, then you aren't qualified to write a review.
Guy, Firefox is open source. For that reason it has far more extensions than IE. There is a quaint little button at the top left hand corner of your nav bar titled Getting Started. Click it and explore.
As a former sys admin for two different companies in Nigeria, I am concerned about bottom line. That is money. It is absolutely fool hardy to spend money on new hardware because you want to run new software when the old software is still working perfectly. That is the reason I adopted the habit of doing a lot of R&D.
Eye candy? Customisable themes in Firefox?
This is an argument that won't go away. Die hard enthusiasts can give you reasons why FOSS is far better than M$, die hard loyalists can gove you reasons why M$ is better. From my own experience and speaking from a strictly technical view point, I know FOSS to be better. Problem is the learning curve, which is where Ubuntu has done a good job. Problem once again is that people prefer to live in the comfort zone. And that is where FOSS has a lot of work to do.
I really have no idea why I enjoy a good argument. It is a problem isn't it? I should be reading for my exams, instead I am arguing on the internet!
Why not when you are already swallowing propaganda from another source?
Just one key combination to remember and you are taking us down memory lane? Wow. FYI, it is easier, much easier (and time saving) to use that one key combo without having to remove your hand from the keyboard to start navigating. Give it a try for a few days then come back to argue from a position of having actually tried it out.
IE offers a much bigger user base than FF at the moment because it comes foisted on users with Windows, not because it is a superior product. The migration of users from IE to FF has been nothing less than monumental, and you would be considered blind to ignore this...
As you so did well to point out, it will be misplaced priorities to sacrifice security in the name of saving a few (in my case it was Naira), so let me tell you a story:
I walked into Micro Access, Abuja to take up my appointment there on Monday, November 1, 2004. All the systems in the office were running Windows XP Service pack 2 and making use of E-Trust anti virus corporate edition. Back then I was a Windows user, strictly. Before month's end however, we had a virus attack, the sasser worm. Research pushed me towards open source, and I haven't looked back. Even after I left MA, from there to Itex, Lagos, and Itex, Johannesburg before my eventual resignation for my current Masters programme, the FOSS community has not let me down once. They've saved me a lot in terms of cost, and in terms of heartache. So why would I trade in that experience? By the way, the sasser problem was solved by the little known free anti virus Avira Antivir, while Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE Personal (which is also free) does an excellent job for spyware.
If I bring reports to counter this one, you will label them propaganda, so why should I bother? Just know one thing please, the community support for both Ubuntu and OpenSUSE Linux distros are excellent. Bug fixes in both are way beyond unparalleled, case point an issue I had with my Acer Laptop. I bought the laptop a few months back, and up until now, Acer still doesn't have drivers for their new sound cards for Linux. What did I do? I reported the issue on bugtacker, and guess what? I had my drivers that same day. What are you talking about?
Back to the FF vs IE debate, I'm sure a Microsoft loyalist such as yourself would be well aware that CNET are the absolute best when it comes to software reviews. Read up what they have to say about this issue, then come back and tell me that it is propaganda.
Why not when you are already swallowing propaganda from another source?
Just one key combination to remember and you are taking us down memory lane? Wow. FYI, it is easier, much easier (and time saving) to use that one key combo without having to remove your hand from the keyboard to start navigating. Give it a try for a few days then come back to argue from a position of having actually tried it out.
IE offers a much bigger user base than FF at the moment because it comes foisted on users with Windows, not because it is a superior product. The migration of users from IE to FF has been nothing less than monumental, and you would be considered blind to ignore this...
As you so did well to point out, it will be misplaced priorities to sacrifice security in the name of saving a few (in my case it was Naira), so let me tell you a story:
I walked into Micro Access, Abuja to take up my appointment there on Monday, November 1, 2004. All the systems in the office were running Windows XP Service pack 2 and making use of E-Trust anti virus corporate edition. Back then I was a Windows user, strictly. Before month's end however, we had a virus attack, the sasser worm. Research pushed me towards open source, and I haven't looked back. Even after I left MA, from there to Itex, Lagos, and Itex, Johannesburg before my eventual resignation for my current Masters programme, the FOSS community has not let me down once. They've saved me a lot in terms of cost, and in terms of heartache. So why would I trade in that experience? By the way, the sasser problem was solved by the little known free anti virus Avira Antivir, while Lavasoft's Ad-Aware SE Personal (which is also free) does an excellent job for spyware.
If I bring reports to counter this one, you will label them propaganda, so why should I bother? Just know one thing please, the community support for both Ubuntu and OpenSUSE Linux distros are excellent. Bug fixes in both are way beyond unparalleled, case point an issue I had with my Acer Laptop. I bought the laptop a few months back, and up until now, Acer still doesn't have drivers for their new sound cards for Linux. What did I do? I reported the issue on bugtacker, and guess what? I had my drivers that same day. What are you talking about?
Back to the FF vs IE debate, I'm sure a Microsoft loyalist such as yourself would be well aware that CNET are the absolute best when it comes to software reviews. Read up what they have to say about this issue, then come back and tell me that it is propaganda.
really not to defend IE7 or anything but firefox really should make a clear and visible "new tab" button. double clicking the empty space, ctrl+t is really neat and convinient but it means nothing for a noob.
a button like this(from my beloved opera) is really a most
surely no one experienced will use it but it must be clearly visible to the beginners eye.
IMO.
a button like this(from my beloved opera) is really a most
surely no one experienced will use it but it must be clearly visible to the beginners eye.
IMO.