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[Martin]

Holcroft Covenant

Made for tv movie of a Ludlum novel. With Michael Caine in the lead. Truly terrible on every front.

 

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[JCK]

*Downloading Holcroft Covenant with enthusiasm*

 

[Osman]

Holcroft Covenant

Made for tv movie of a Ludlum novel. With Michael Caine in the lead. Truly terrible on every front.

I read Ludlum (niiiiiiice), I read Michael Caine, wooooooh, then....terrible?


*reads who made the post* Oh, nevermind

 

[Martin]

I read Ludlum (niiiiiiice), I read Michael Caine, wooooooh, then....terrible?


*reads who made the post* Oh, nevermind

Go ahead, knock yourself out (you too Jack).

I don't suppose Caine too is one of your most respected actors?

 

[Osman]

No not really, he is particular type of type casted actor, but he is pretty good at what he does and had excellent and long career, when he isnt overacting the brit cliche for Hollywood.

Weird thing is he played the aristocratic posh type for Hollywood too often, when its fairly obvious he is of lower working class background with a very distinct cockney accent, and best roles he did being tough guys or thugs, best ones being one where he was an abusive pimp hehe (and doesnt really have the range to play suave Bond aristocratic type to sell it convincingly), but for Hollywood every brit is alike it seems .


About the film, I'm a Ludlum fan as I said (and I know Caine, to maintain his "star" quality", did lots of B movies), but more details of what is about? Was it campy? Movies of certain areas were, hehe.


P.S A little tip, of you dont want to be teased, do not encourage further teasing by clearly showing it gets to you

 

[Martin]

No not really, he is particular type of type casted actor, but he is pretty good at what he does and had excellent and long career, when he isnt overacting the brit cliche for Hollywood.

Weird thing is he played the aristocratic posh type for Hollywood too often, when its fairly obvious he is of lower working class background with a very distinct cockney accent, and best roles he did being tough guys or thugs, best ones being one where he was an abusive pimp hehe (and doesnt really have the range to play suave Bond aristocratic type to sell it convincingly), but for Hollywood every brit is alike it seems .

In this one he plays an American. With his cockney accent

I thought he was great as Batman's butler but other than that I haven't seen him in anything I'd remember. He was insufferable in The Italian Job though. This performance is a stone's throw away.

About the film, I'm a Ludlum fan as I said (and I know Caine, to maintain his "star" quality", did lots of B movies), but more details of what is about? Was it campy? Movies of certain areas were, hehe.

It doesn't really matter. I haven't read this book (I've read 10+ of his other ones), but it's painfully clear that they butchered the story in every single possible way. Basically there's more tension in a MacGyver episode.

P.S A little tip, of you dont want to be teased, do not encourage further teasing by clearly showing it gets to you

I don't mind it. Your criticism of anyone who doesn't share your opinions is so ridiculously over the top that it's impossible to take seriously anyway :wink:

Btw there are two Ludlum movies coming out in 2009. One with Di Caprio, one with Denzel. Should be a good show

 

[Osman]

Yeah CANT wait for those movies, Nolan in particular doing it, dude is perfect for Ludlum, I hope, an intelligent director adapting intelligent books. Should one read the books before the movies?


And Caine has done lots of good roles in certain type of roles and is clearly talented enough, but like Samuel L Jackson, done lots of crap with crap performances just for the paycheck. A tip, avoid the movies he done in the 80s (except rare cases), wait, was this one an 80s movie?

 

[Martin]

Yeah CANT wait for those movies, Nolan in particular doing it, dude is perfect for Ludlum, I hope, an intelligent director adapting intelligent books. Should one read the books before the movies?

Probably doesn't mater. The way they did Bourne you could read the books afterwards and you'd have a whole different story to enjoy. I imagine they'll veer off a lot here too. And it's probably for the best. Some of these low budget tv productions of Ludlum have tried to stay as close as possible to the story and they haven't come out so great (Holcroft is paticularly bad though).

And Caine has done lots of good roles in certain type of roles and is clearly talented enough, but like Samuel L Jackson, done lots of crap with crap performances just for the paycheck. A tip, avoid the movies he done in the 80s (except rare cases), wait, was this one an 80s movie?

You bet it was, 85

 

[Martin]

Btw Osman, did you like the Bourne movies?

 

[Eddy]

Btw Osman, did you like the Bourne movies?

meh

 

[Osman]

I loved them (even if it was well done action movies instead of elaborate sneaky mind games thriller like the books). And I would say its good advertising for Ludlum, not just giving it PR but making a real good adaption in terms of the essence of Jason bourne (I would say Jason Bourne > James Bond ), while being so much for the stories. I bet it tempted lots of people like it did with me, to read the books, which I have. Love them.

 

[Martin]

Who knew we'd agree on anything You know I think Matt Damon grew a lot too in the process. In Identity he was this kid lacking confidence, and the movie didn't even register much with me (although I sorta saw some of it by coincidence). This was before I knew anything about Ludlum too. But he really got into it as it went along.

 

[Osman]

Yeah, defenitely agree, he was really menacing in last movie, really came into his role quite hard more and more. And as said, you are defenitely right that it doesnt matter if you see the movies first, if the new Ludlum films will be like Jason Bourne, take lightly from the overall premise, instead of the clever and elaborate plot (I was suprised when reading the first book for example, like it had 80% more plot then the film).

But the one with Di Caprio and Nolan, I think reading the books is better first, because Nolan really likes clever plots and stories, especially this one being bit sci fi where the concept is so important, and no action movie.

 

[Eddy]

should i watch der untergang tonight ?

 

[Martin]

Yeah, defenitely agree, he was really menacing in last movie, really came into his role quite hard more and more. And as said, you are defenitely right that it doesnt matter if you see the movies first, if the new Ludlum films will be like Jason Bourne, take lightly from the overall premise, instead of the clever and elaborate plot (I was suprised when reading the first book for example, like it had 80% more plot then the film).

But the one with Di Caprio and Nolan, I think reading the books is better first, because Nolan really likes clever plots and stories, especially this one being bit sci fi where the concept is so important, and no action movie.

Well, movies are not made for the same audience as the books were for. People who go see the movie are not going to read the book after (let alone before). So when you're making a movie you can't predicate it upon prior knowledge, it has to be self contained. In fact you're probably better off not knowing the story otherwise you risk inconsistencies will nag at you.

Michael Caine again He better not f up this one

 

[Elvin]

Anyone seen District 9 yet. Everyone seems to be jizzing their pants about it, is it that good?

 

[The Curr]

Public Enemies. What did you guys think?

 

[Elvin]

I loved it. And it was the first movie I saw, that people in cinema started applauding when the end credits started rolling.

 

[The Curr]

I loved it. And it was the first movie I saw, that people in cinema started applauding when the end credits started rolling.

Wow. I'll watch it then.

 

[Cuti]

I think they actually say "inspired by true events" which is basically just bullshit that doesn't mean anything. If you look back a page or two me and Aaron discussed it.

Yeah i obviously took it with a pinch of salt, and once i saw the film, i was like: yeah right.

I loved it. And it was the first movie I saw, that people in cinema started applauding when the end credits started rolling.

Honestly, i find this completely retarded, what the hell is the use of clapping at the end of the film? Its not like anyone involved in the film will be there, its about as stupid as people clapping cause they didn't crash on a flight