Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (51 Viewers)

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I agree on the wormhole thing, the rest isn't substantial. You might not like Nolan's style, whereas I like the way he writes dialogue. For instance, I loved Matt Damon talking to Coop while he is dying, emphatically explaining what Coop is going through. The part about "love" is far from mumbo jumbo, it's taking a feeling that is impossible to explain and interpreting it as a connection that transcends time and space - the discussion is key to the climax.
Being treated like a dumbass who needs a science lecture is not my idea of what makes a good film.

Listening to garbage new age truisms about love and time and space, repeated ad nauseam is not my idea of a good film.

Shit like:

“Mankind was born on Earth. It was never meant to die here.”

“We used to look up at the sky and wonder about our place in the stars, now we just look down and wonder about our place in the dirt.”

Come on. The film is filled with junk like this. These one-liners that pretend to be profound, that look like they've been stripped out of some monologue. Of course Nolan isn't likely to use the monologue technique, nor narration, because blockbuster audiences wouldn't be down with that, so he strips his monologues and soliloquies into parts and inserts them haphazardly into dialogue. It's not really deniable. It's quite obvious that this is what he is doing. It doesn't come across as even slightly natural and is in fact at times very irritating.

Or Amelia and that terrible speech about how love may solve the whole gravity, space time problem:

"Love isn’t something we invented. It’s observable, powerful, it has to mean something... Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space."

I mean, her whole second-act exhortation on love and its power is absolute drivel.

It comes across as heavy-handed and sentimental schlepp, like a Spielberg at his worst, perhaps.

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Most definitely. One of the best series ever. People have no idea how many movies have shamelessly ripped off many of it's ideas and concepts, it was really ahead of it's time. It's the German Expressionism of America in a way. And the score... So eerie... It's simply the best.
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I'll check it out.
 

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Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Finally came around to watching the movie this evening as well, and I defenitely gotta agree with CK and PI. Apart from the technical aspects, the visuals, the soundtrack, the movie was rather generic and in no way extraordinary at all. It perhaps deserves some credit for being ambitious in trying to tackle such interesting and complex topics as multidimensionality or the relativity theory coppled with human aging and the emotional impacts thereof, but the execution is mostly hit and miss, especially with the former.

One of my biggest points of criticism is probably that I don't think I've ever seen a Sci-Fi movie or even series talking down to the audience this much. Throughout the movie the script just takes a huge dump on the "show-don't-tell-rule", and what's worse is that much of the expositionary dialogue doesn't even make much sense in most of the scenes it's forced into. The pinnacle of this is of course Cooper's experience in the 5th dimension. It's a pretty cool scene actually (even though you could see him, or another present character being the "ghost" communicating back from the future after the the concept had been first introduced in the first 20 minutes of the movie), and I really like the way him being able to transcend time is realised visually. But his conversion with TARS, where the writers somehow felt the need to make him spell out loud even the most obvious of developments, was so over the top I almost thought it was a parody on overexplanations in movies.

I can't believe how people can consider this a classic.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Regardless. I don't think either CK or I have said it's a "bad" film. More so, that we don't see it as a "great" film.

SO don't take me bringing up the problems I found in it as saying it's horrible. More so, that it's very flawed, and I don't think assigning it masterpiece status holds up to close critique.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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“Mankind was born on Earth. It was never meant to die here.”
Interestingly enough I thought this to be one of the better quotes of the movie :D

Fully agree on the rest though, Amelia's love monologue was cringeworthy.

Also the guy being afraid of space who singed up for a mission that was going to take him into space for years :lol:
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Finally came around to watching the movie this evening as well, and I defenitely gotta agree with CK and PI. Apart from the technical aspects, the visuals, the soundtrack, the movie was rather generic and in no way extraordinary at all. It perhaps deserves some credit for being so ambitious in trying to tackle such interesting and complex topics as multidimensionality or the relativity theory coppled with human aging and the emotional impacts thereof, but the execution is mostly hit and miss, especially with the former.

One of my biggest points of criticism is probably that I don't think I've ever seen a Sci-Fi movie or even series talking down to the audience this much. Throughout the movie the script just takes a huge dump on the "show-don't-tell-rule", and what's worse is that much of the expositionary dialogue doesn't even make much sense in most of the scenes it's forced into. The pinnacle of this is of course Cooper's experience in the 5th dimension. It's a pretty cool scene actually (even though you could see him, or another present character being the "ghost" communicating back from the future after the the concept had been first introduced in the first 20 minutes of the movie), and I really like the way him being able to transcend time is realised visually. But his conversion with TARS, where the writers somehow felt the need to make him spell out loud even the most obvious of developments, was over the top I almost thought it was a parody on overexplanations in movies.

I can't believe how people can consider this a classic.
:agree:

The bolded parts are exactly it. The only plausible explanation is that this film, regardless of all its ambition, was really made for the "blockbuster" audience, and Nolan seems to think that this audience doesn't have a clue.
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
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If you don't mind ads..

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi584886041

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:agree:

The bolded parts are exactly it. The only plausible explanation is that this film, regardless of all its ambition, was really made for the "blockbuster" audience, and Nolan seems to think that this audience doesn't have a clue.
And he is right, seeing as how many people think it's a masterpiece, best thing ever. He gave the people what they could absorb and understand. Society has never been this lazy. I believe he's much more talented than this but he was clever, the bastard just knew this was the way to make his money and the best time to do it since he was still riding the Batman praising wave.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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If you don't mind ads..

http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi584886041

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And he is right, seeing as how many people think it's a masterpiece, best thing ever. He gave the people what they could absorb and understand. Society has never been this lazy. I believe he's much more talented than this but he was clever, the bastard just knew this was the way to make his money and the best time to do it since he was still riding the Batman praising wave.
He is right, but at the same time, by choosing to be right in this fashion, he places a limit on just how good a film "Interstellar" could be. A sacrifice it seems he was very happy to make. I'm sure the studio was too. Box office returns are pretty important.

And thanks for the link. :D

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Interestingly enough I thought this to be one of the better quotes of the movie :D

Fully agree on the rest though, Amelia's love monologue was cringeworthy.

Also the guy being afraid of space who singed up for a mission that was going to take him into space for years :lol:
I think some of the lines, like the one you mention, may have been good lines, I think I was just overwhelmed by the sheer number of them, and it drove me to disliking them all. :lol:
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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I'm convinced some of u here are pretenders. U might watch like 3 minutes of a movie, Wikipedia the plot and try to talk about how u watched some amazing obscure bum fuck movie

Real talk
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
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I watched Interstella in the cinema after eating 100 magic mushrooms and smoking some sweet OG Kush. Needless to say it blew my fucking mind! i think i was nearly crying at one point with the biggest smile this side of the missisipi river.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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let's face it if space odyssey was released today no one would consider it a greatest of the genre. perspective is important here
Then they should bring it on, release a Space Odyssey style of movie and let's see the reaction. And by "Space Odyssey style" I don't mean random spaceship related garbage, visually and contentwise underwhelming forgettable bullshit. I mean a prophetic masterpiece that opens new meanings every time you watch it.
Kubrick was a movie maker, Nolan is a money maker


unrelated: Watched Barton Fink yesterday, one of the few Coens I hadn't seen so far. If English was my first, second or even third language I could express why the movie is awesome and criminally underrated but that way I keep it simple: 10/10

oh and right now I watched Howl's Moving Castle (2004) Pretty cringey at times but overall enjoyable movie with a great message and your typical Ghibli flair. 8.5/10
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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unrelated: Watched Barton Fink yesterday, one of the few Coens I hadn't seen so far. If English was my first, second or even third language I could express why the movie is awesome and criminally underrated but that way I keep it simple: 10/10
By far my favourite of their films. John Turturro is just fucking brilliant in it. One of the best acted roles in the entire 90s. Genius.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
Then they should bring it on, release a Space Odyssey style of movie and let's see the reaction. And by "Space Odyssey style" I don't mean random spaceship related garbage, visually and contentwise underwhelming forgettable bullshit. I mean a prophetic masterpiece that opens new meanings every time you watch it.
Kubrick was a movie maker, Nolan is a money maker
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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I watched The Secret of Kells last night and I loved it. Man those animations are from a whole another level, that is just nuts. Miyazaki is not even creative when you compare it with this lol. Really enjoyable :tup: good soundtrack as well. @Kieselguhr Kid

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oh and right now I watched Howl's Moving Castle (2004) Pretty cringey at times but overall enjoyable movie with a great message and your typical Ghibli flair. 8.5/10
I loved that one and it's one of my favs from Ghibli studio.
 

oldlady87

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May 13, 2012
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I watched The Secret of Kells last night and I loved it. Man those animations are from a whole another level, that is just nuts. Miyazaki is not even creative when you compare it with this lol. Really enjoyable :tup: good soundtrack as well. @Kieselguhr Kid

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I loved that one and it's one of my favs from Ghibli studio.
You have to watch "Song of the sea" from the same director. It's even better.

 

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