More scandals?? (8 Viewers)

[Gill_juve]

So basicly what it's saying is they can find new "facts" every year and then punish us again and again.. Great fuckin news now I really hate the Italian system ffs thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.

its pathetic, if we are getting all of these new findings, why dont they look at other team and bring things up from 1964 or something, they wont rest, twat head cunts.

 

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[Kosta]

From Soccerway.com

A corruption scandal which rocked Italy's Serie A to its foundations last season has taken a new twist after public prosecutors in Naples closed their investigation by making fresh accusations.

Italian giants Juventus were stripped of their last two league titles and demoted to Serie B with a penalty of nine points after being found guilty of match-fixing in last summer's scandal.

AC Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Reggina were also implicated in the affair, but escaped with only points penalties for the beginning of the 2006-2007 Serie A season.

On Thursday prosecutors, this time dealing with the purely legal side of the affair, named 48 people, five of whom were not questioned in the initial investigation, they suspect of wrongdoing.

Another club has also now been implicated. Serie A side Messina is suspected of being involved in match-fixing, although they have flatly rejected any accusations of involvement.

"We have nothing to do with this scandal. And we have always operated with complete legality and tranparency," Messina president Pietro Franza was quoted as saying by Italian news agency Ansa.

Former Juventus general director Luciano Moggi, who stood accused of setting up a network in an attempt to influence the outcome of matches, remains a key suspect as well as Juventus official Antonio Giraudo.

Twenty-five referees and linesemen, 18 of whom are still working in the Italian league, also remain under suspicion according to prosecutors.

Italy's national referees' commission reacted to the news by suspending two referees and two linesmen who were supposed to officiate at second division matches this weekend.

Prosecutors also pointed the finger at a total of 39 matches they suspected of being fixed, 15 more than was initially thought in last summer's investigation, and which were all played in 2004 and 2005.

Public prosecutor Filippo Beatrice told AFP Friday that prosecutors would be aiming to act on their most recent investigation.

"We're hoping to be able to bring this to court between now and June," he said.

"There are nearly 40 suspect matches (as opposed to 19 initially). The investigation has led us to confirm that certain top club officials were in regular telephone contact with referees and top officials with the Italian federation."

According to prosecutors, some of the unsavoury acts carried out by corrupt referees included handing out yellow cards to certain players, leading at times to their unavailability for future matches, especially against Juventus.

Naples prosecutors also pointed at a number of questionable penalty or off-side decisions made by referees, made to favour the teams implicated in the scandal.

A number of referees, linesmen and other sports officials were sanctioned for their part in last year's scandal although only one referee, Massimo De Santis, was found guilty of misconduct in the sporting courts.

Last year's affair shed light on the underbelly of football in Italy, however it also revealed the difficuties of the authorities to hand out sanctions in the absence of concrete proof.

 

[Oggy]

So basicly what it's saying is they can find new "facts" every year and then punish us again and again.. Great fuckin news now I really hate the Italian system ffs thats the dumbest thing I ever heard.

No they can't. None of the laws allow to be prosecuted for the same case twice. It's the ancient tradition or rulw whatever and those rules are written in Roman Law or Iustinanus Codification.

 

[V]

No they can't. None of the laws allow to be prosecuted for the same case twice. It's the ancient tradition or rulw whatever and those rules are written in Roman Law or Iustinanus Codification.

Yes but this is a sporting court, I don't think that applies here.

 

[Kosta]

The Juve case is vice-versa: " Guilty until proven innocent"

 

[Jun-hide]

I see Napoli get 5 straight games with non-existent penalities involved. Book it.

Since they have nullified our 2004-05 Scudetto, I guess they can't punish us now, and how Moratti would be kicking his nutts for being one trophy too greedy. But then again, this is Italia so I wouldn't be surprised if they find a rationale to punish Juve if they wished to do so.

 

[Oggy]

Yes but this is a sporting court, I don't think that applies here.

It must be applied or Italian law is fucked... And if you red the article from Juventus.com it clearly says that we are not gonna face any more sanctions.

 

[Mark]

Oh yeah we bought the refs to give yellow cards to SIMONE Inzaghi, Mesto, WIlliam Viali, and Contini....so they could miss the Juve game...WOW!!!

let this BS go by and wait for this new season in SERIE A.

 

[Meow]

According to this article everything is fine for us, we will not face any further sanctions.

How so?

 

[Oggy]

I'm thinking about something and that is to make an organistaion to ceollect money and than to rent a professional killer and order him to kill Moratti

 

[Mark]

Good news is that Cobolli could leave the Presidency this summer. Nothing to do with what is happening now.

 

[Oggy]

Official statement from the club:

Nota della società


In questi mesi i giocatori e tutto lo staff della Juventus hanno affrontato con professionalità, passione e lealtà il campionato di serie B, superando la grave crisi dell’estate scorsa.
La consapevolezza di aver pagato un prezzo altissimo e di aver chiuso i conti con la Giustizia sportiva ha permesso ai suoi dirigenti di lavorare con tranquillità e di trovare la fiducia per lanciare un’operazione di aumento di capitale, che si propone di gettare le basi per costruire successi futuri.
Le notizie di fonte giornalistica sulla conclusione delle indagini della Procura di Napoli non mutano la ferma convinzione della società di aver chiuso con il passato e di non dover più rispondere di alcunché con riferimento a comportamenti attribuibili a precedenti gestioni e già oggetto di giudizio definitivo.
Ai tifosi, che non hanno mai fatto venire meno il proprio sostegno, la Juventus conferma il massimo impegno per vincere e per tornare ai vertici del calcio mondiale

Babelfish translation:

Famous of the society
In these months the players and all the staff of the Juventus have faced with professionality, passion and loyalty the championship of B series, exceeding the serious crisis of the past summer. The knowledge to have paid the highest price and to have closed the accounts with the sport Justice has allowed managing its to work with tranquillity and to find the confidence in order launch an operation of increase of understood them, that it is proposed to throw the bases in order to construct happened future. The news of journalistic source on the conclusion of surveyings of the Power of attorney of Naples does not change the firm conviction of the society to have closed with the past and not to more have to answer than alcunché with reference to behaviors attributable to previous managements and already object of definitive judgment. To the tifosi, than they have not never made to come just the support less, the Juventus confirmation the maximum engagement in order to win and in order to return to you concern us of world-wide soccer

How so?

It says up here... (or misunderstanded something)

 

[Meow]

It says up here... (or misunderstanded something)

This is our club's view....and since it's our officail site, they have to say stuff like this.

 

[Oggy]

I know but that's how should be according to law, but on other hand as I wll repeat the same thing many of you guys already said "it's Italy and in Italy everything is possible"

 

[Durden]

Don't know if this makes it much more clear but here is a translation:


Juve still in the storm, risks of end in C

(NAPLES) - The sporty justice is in state of greatest allerta. The closing dell' question aside of the Attorney's office of Naples, conduct from the pm Beatrice and Narducci, provoked a shock, l' umpteenth, for the soccer world local. Tormented them summer days when the soccer raged-scandal or Moggiopoli, you it it you how want, could repeat themselves between two or three months, with a' umpteenth warm summer. Francesco Xavier Borrelli, head I Officiate inquiries, is in feverish wait of the actions that, seen the good relations preceding, the Attorney's office of Naples will make have him in short time. Already they were allertati the deputy because possano to examine in the shortest possible time the new faldoni, that is all the fit done not enter in the previous question and therefore done not appraise. And here it is put the legal case-sporty ever verificatosi: if came experienced l' illicit bianconero-moggiano in the competition of december 18 2004 col Milan, the bianconeri would risk serious the demotion in serious C.

In sporty seat in fact, to difference of the criminal one, it does not exist l' institute of the "continuation" (art. 81 of the criminal code), therefore the new fact has been absolutely autonomous and an illicit novelty punishable in the championship of skill is depicted (l' present of serious B for the bianconeri) with the demotion all' last place and, therefore, in serious C1. Quite difficult however the judicial organs will arrive at a so drastic conclusion: will touch in fact first to the Commission discipline national, sole for all the Leagues, and subsequently to the Federal Court (Easter president Says worn out) to establish the eventual sanctions requests from the federal prosecutor Stefano Palaces. Same speech for the Messina, new entry between the society that, if acclarato l' illicit realized from its former ds Fabian Mariano in the competitions with Florentine, Reggina, Siena and Parma, verrebbe relegated all' last place nell' present championship, with serious B ensured.

Double jeopardy dosen't apply in the italian sporting court according to this.
That's why I'm so pissed. This means they can hide away some fact and then fuck us again and again and again....

 

[Durden]

I'm thinking about something and that is to make an organistaion to ceollect money and than to rent a professional killer and order him to kill Moratti

Give me a plane ticket and a happy meal and I'll be on my way to Milano...

 

[oriax]

It looks like we should wait till this claims become void by prescription!

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I don't know when the Agnelli would come to the point to stand no more of this BS. Really guys if sb consider corruption dead in football he must be flat stupid.
Bribery is by means a democracy of society. Everyone could bribe it is just a matter of money. I am sure that the family owning half of Italy might find a way to 'deal' with Inter. I am quite sure - The Horse FACED bitch is close to raising hell. And I do believe that they call us the 'mafia club' for some reason and I do also believe that this reason is yet to be shown...
If Intersuckers think that this is over - it is far from over. And the fact is that it is their side to be sacrificed to level the equation. Somebody is trying to use the same tricks as last year, IMO the american president said it simple "Fool me once, shame on you... FOOL ME TWICE...... YOU CAN'T FOOL ME TWICE". I am sure there are people that can deal with Inter by other means - not only 'court justice'. Because as of recent time - the court is just another level of combat, that is manipulated by one (OBVIOUS) side. Justice is BLIND, but only for Moratti deeds.
That is the reason I consider all of this useless crap.

 

[RAMI-N]

Good news is that Cobolli could leave the Presidency this summer. Nothing to do with what is happening now.

If this is true, it'd be really great news...
We need a tougher guy to occupy the presidency seat in Juve

 

[Meow]

I just feel so sorry for all the players....I just hope their hard work in Serie B won't be in vain. It sucks when you are not beaten on the field....