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[Gill_juve]

ummm what? the so called Saint Moggi and the entire board were the first people to resign from their positions just a few days after the scandal broke out. Yeah right nothing says I'm innocent like mass resignation right?

Ibra and the other players are called traitors. The real traitors were the ex-board who resigned so early after the scandal to save their own necks. glad to know Moggi stayed an defended Juve if he thought he had nothing to hide..oh wait HE DIDN'T STAND HIS GROUND AND DEFEND JUVE!.

and for people that say it's ok to cheat because others are doing it. Would you let a rapist rape you mother or sister and walk away with it just because other rapists are getting away with raping other women?

spot on

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I doubt you can find Bulgaria on the map (of Texas). So i'm not sure u know anything about Bulgarian ppl.

Texas?

What the hell are you talking about?

I know exactly where Bulgaria is, and BRO, I'm just joking.

 

[C4ISR]

ummm what? the so called Saint Moggi and the entire board were the first people to resign from their positions just a few days after the scandal broke out. Yeah right nothing says I'm innocent like mass resignation right?

Ibra and the other players are called traitors. The real traitors were the ex-board who resigned so early after the scandal to save their own necks. glad to know Moggi stayed an defended Juve if he thought he had nothing to hide..oh wait HE DIDN'T STAND HIS GROUND AND DEFEND JUVE!.

and for people that say it's ok to cheat because others are doing it. Would you let a rapist rape you mother or sister and walk away with it just because other rapists are getting away with raping other women?

U left unbolded the last half of the sentence, which oddly enough answers my question. No1, not even the tribunal of people (Interista) involved, could nail Moggi outright for effecting the integrity of the championship. A few months ago, when they released a brand new string of games, they even fucked those up, screwing up obvious things such as cards given, and even the results of the games.

They call Moggi a mastermind, yet 90%(probably higher) of the people that conspired with him were found innocent, or in some cases, resigned/fired, only to make their way back into the FIGC today (Carraro, Galliani, etc). Not to mention, how many refs were actually convicted of anything? Its clear Moggi was a scapegoat since the evidence used to convict him was a joke. As I said b4, it took a former Inter board member coupled with Inter's 2nd largest shareholder to craft something against Moggi the impartial Italian judiciary system said wasn't there.

Thats beside the point that this scandal was never about match fixing, rather Moggi making request (if u can even call them that) for refs that werent even asnwered. The media connected dots that werent there, and went from Moggi appointing refs to refs favouring Juventus, with absolutely no evidence to back up their claim.

They stripped us of 2 scudetto for what? Because of a handful of games they couldn't even prove were effected were in question? Bullshit. Not to mention 05/06 was never involved, yet somehow thats gets stolen and given to Inter, which by doing so, shows what this was all about.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Are you drinking Jesus Juice?

 

[rounder]

U left unbolded the last half of the sentence, which oddly enough answers my question. No1, not even the tribunal of people (Interista) involved, could nail Moggi outright for effecting the integrity of the championship. A few months ago, when they released a brand new string of games, they even fucked those up, screwing up obvious things such as cards given, and even the results of the games.

They call Moggi a mastermind, yet 90%(probably higher) of the people that conspired with him were found innocent, or in some cases, resigned/fired, only to make their way back into the FIGC today (Carraro, Galliani, etc). Not to mention, how many refs were actually convicted of anything? Its clear Moggi was a scapegoat since the evidence used to convict him was a joke. As I said b4, it took a former Inter board member coupled with Inter's 2nd largest shareholder to craft something against Moggi the impartial Italian judiciary system said wasn't there.

Thats beside the point that this scandal was never about match fixing, rather Moggi making request (if u can even call them that) for refs that werent even asnwered. The media connected dots that werent there, and went from Moggi appointing refs to refs favouring Juventus, with absolutely no evidence to back up their claim.

They stripped us of 2 scudetto for what? Because of a handful of games they couldn't even prove were effected were in question? Bullshit. Not to mention 05/06 was never involved, yet somehow thats gets stolen and given to Inter, which by doing so, shows what this was all about.

i see your point . Italy is extremely corrupt and maybe moggi was used as a scapegoat , but none of that gives a good reason for moggi to do what he did .

whats all this bullshit about requests , dude , they have his conversations caught on tape , whats done is done . Moggi is dirty and very well involved in this scandal and so were many people who weren't caught . Moggi just happened to get caught for playing the dirty game .


Juve's fans and players were the ones who paid dearly , while he was let off easy .

 

[Gill_juve]

i see your point . Italy is extremely corrupt and maybe moggi was used as a scapegoat , but none of that gives a good reason for moggi to do what he did .

whats all this bullshit about requests , dude , they have his conversations caught on tape , whats done is done . Moggi is dirty and very well involved in this scandal and so were many people who weren't caught . Moggi just happened to get caught for playing the dirty game .


Juve's fans and players were the ones who paid dearly , while he was let off easy .

tbh all leagues are the same if it goes on here it definitely goes on in england and other places, humans always crave more power.

 

[C4ISR]

i see your point . Italy is extremely corrupt and maybe moggi was used as a scapegoat , but none of that gives a good reason for moggi to do what he did .

whats all this bullshit about requests , dude , they have his conversations caught on tape , whats done is done . Moggi is dirty and very well involved in this scandal and so were many people who weren't caught . Moggi just happened to get caught for playing the dirty game .


Juve's fans and players were the ones who paid dearly , while he was let off easy .

I refuse to view Moggi as a mastermind of a scandal that was massively exxagerated.

Moggi's actions didn't warrant the extreme punishment we were given. Not according to league rules, and especially not when u consider all the inconsistencies and shortcuts in the verdict. However, unlike most of u, I dont blame Moggi, I blame the criminals who made an example out of us using Moggi as justification.

As for the request, his conversations on tape were labeled as bullshit from day 1. The ones presented in the media were taken heavily out of context. Also, as I said b4, these were old tapes that were archived by the Italian Judiciary system because NOTHING INCRIMINATING WAS ON THEM. The scandal should have ended there, but Telecom Italia, Rossi, Buora and Moratti thought otherwise and manipulated it to their advantage.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes. Juve fans, and many are angry with Moggi or hate Moggi for Calciopoli, but the answer will never be to post on the club's main English-language fan site such abuse, when the facts have still never be revealed to us. I believe that, what ever your feelings toward Moggi, you keep it in house and not show fans of other clubs that we are a divided house.

Well, I attend to agree. However, just because Moggi was successful with Juventus doesn't mean people cannot question the manner in which he brought us success. He apparently broke the law, and even while surely other figures went unscathed in Calciopoli, that doesn't mean we can condone his supposed actions. Like Michael said, ethics play a role here. But in business nowadays there's really no such thing as morals anyway.

 

[rounder]

I refuse to view Moggi as a mastermind of a scandal that was massively exxagerated.

Moggi's actions didn't warrant the extreme punishment we were given. Not according to league rules, and especially not when u consider all the inconsistencies and shortcuts in the verdict. However, unlike most of u, I dont blame Moggi, I blame the criminals who made an example out of us using Moggi as justification.

As for the request, his conversations on tape were labeled as bullshit from day 1. The ones presented in the media were taken heavily out of context. Also, as I said b4, these were old tapes that were archived by the Italian Judiciary system because NOTHING INCRIMINATING WAS ON THEM. The scandal should have ended there, but Telecom Italia, Rossi, Buora and Moratti thought otherwise and manipulated it to their advantage.

i understand , im also convinced that the italian league is extremely corrupted .

but are you saying moggi is innocent ?

 

[C4ISR]

i understand , im also convinced that the italian league is extremely corrupted .

but are you saying moggi is innocent ?

No, but he wasn't guilty enough for them to erase the entire 04/05 season, let alone 05/06 which wasn't even under investigation.

04/05 involved a handful of games, not all of them. Of those games, they couldn't prove the integrity of every single 1 was effected to the point the results went in Juve's favour. With that in mind, how can they strip away all our points for those games, as well as the entire season? It doesn't make any sense.

As far as Im concerned, the only illegal thing Moggi did which can be proven 100% is that he knew which refs Juventus would have b4 kick off, which isn't allowed. There is nothing that proves he told them what to do. Also, just for arguements sake, lets say he did, y were the refs involved found innocent? Its such an obvious inconsistency.

Considering Juventus had 8 players in the WC final, y would Moggi go out of his way to ensure results? I saw every game for the 05/06 season, and the only match I can remember where we won off a questionable call was vs Udinese, where Del Piero scored while offside. Yet they steal our scudetto for that yr and award it to Inter, a team we beat fairly twice that season. Considering the man who gifted Inter our scudetto use to be on Inter's board of directors, and would become President of Telecom Italia, an Inter parent company, its clear the real scandal has nothing to do with Juventus or Moggi.

 

[ZAF3000]

Or that Moogi's ban will finish after 5 years from the scandal. One passed by and 4 left

Interesting..........

 

[ZAF3000]

I never said Moggi was a Saint nor that he a clean person and we all knew that he was not that clean even during his past years. But we also knew that he was not cheating. We were not cheating.
Court of justice of the Federation could not pin point a single game Juve have fixed. Which puts a question mark on why did Juve get relegated. I agree Moggi should be punished. He threatend a ref and locked him in a locker room. Thats a fact even moggi is not denying it. Punish Moggi. Ban him from football perticipation for million years but why punish the team for it.
The games they were saying we fixed (or might have fixed) were the games that Desantis managed. If I am not mistaken, we even lost one of them. And the others we won there were not ref mistakes... As I read in some reports + on what Elisa was kind enough to provide us with, the court could not prrove that a single game was fixed and if I am not mistaken the REASON they demoted us in the final report was something like "the damages to the public"..
On the other hand, Meani was caught fixing a match with Udinese (the famous Jankoloviski deal) and Milan were acquited by saying that Meani was not acting with the knowledge of Berlusconi. Let Alone Inter's games were not even mentioned. Lazio and Roma fake their financial reports every year and they buy themselve an extra year in debts dealdine annually becausse the person responsible for debts in the Federation (can't remember his name) worked for the owner of either Roma or Lazio (I think Lazio). Lazio were supposed to be called Bankrupt ages ago but they are still playing in Serie A. can't you remember the many season where players complained from not getting their saleries (late 90s early 2000s) and every year MAGICALLY lazio's president finds a miricalus way to finance the debt on the day of the deadline.. Fiorentina when they were called bankrupt they were demoted.

I am not saying that the Triade are clean or saints, but they are not the reason for our demotion because, if you want to go by law, the court could not prove anything.
You cannot say that this game has been fixed unless two of the following were present:
1- A confession from the ref.
2- A witness of the bribery (not an illegal phone tap that has nothing clear in it about any spesific game).
3- An obvious ref mistake
4- a Confession from the management of the team

There were not confessions from eather sides, on the spesific games they pointed out now obvious mistakes (as mentioned before Juve lsot one) and the witness or evidence they are using is a claim that Moggi used swiss phone SIM cards since the phone taps they have do not lead to anything.

It is sad that we got demoted. It is even sadder that it wasn't for a just reason.. But what kills the most that the biggest corruption is still there and noone is doing anything about it, infact they are called angels.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I like Moggi cause by his help we managed to create that amazing squad that we had during the 2005/06 season.

 

[Snoop]

I doubt you can find Bulgaria on the map (of Texas). So i'm not sure u know anything about Bulgarian ppl.

Are you drinking Jesus Juice?

 

[Snoop]

Yes. Juve fans, and many are angry with Moggi or hate Moggi for Calciopoli, but the answer will never be to post on the club's main English-language fan site such abuse, when the facts have still never be revealed to us. I believe that, what ever your feelings toward Moggi, you keep it in house and not show fans of other clubs that we are a divided house.

Isn't that the case with every club? There will always be divided groups of fans of a club. You can't expect everyone to have similar opinions. and so what If other clubs' fans see us divided?? you care? I don't care what everyone think of us, I actually don't judge a group as one unit, everyone is unique and responsible of it's own acts, just like I don't believe in the crap "Inter fans are this and that blah blah..."