the big bang is the start of the universe, the start of the expansion....the start fo time
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More than this, the Big Bang created the universe, which has at least four dimensions. And that means it made time.
Cause comes before effect. But the Big Bang created time, meaning that 'before the Big Bang' is meaningless.
And yes, that's bloody weird, but there's a lot of good physics sitting on top of it, and it's being tested constantly.
Cause comes before effect. But the Big Bang created time, meaning that 'before the Big Bang' is meaningless.
And yes, that's bloody weird, but there's a lot of good physics sitting on top of it, and it's being tested constantly.
I am not saying he is dumb at all... In fact, i respect what he is going through. I have been there myself and had thought about these very same arguments too..
His questioning of faith articles alone tells you that he is not dumb.. he will even get more and more open minded along the way as he looks for answers. He will even find new questions
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My comment was just about not repeating what we already have gone through before, thats all.
His questioning of faith articles alone tells you that he is not dumb.. he will even get more and more open minded along the way as he looks for answers. He will even find new questions
...My comment was just about not repeating what we already have gone through before, thats all.
Exactly, causality exists so far as its bound by our experience. we arrive at its infallibility (the same way we learn anything else) through the use of induction(comes from experience) which never guarantees absolute certainty. However, we can somewhat rely on knowledge gained through our experience when we project our "laws" and generalize them within the contexts of the universe that we experience. any generalization of our earthly, worldy laws (even of causality) beyond the actual universe are completely unjustified.
You can have absolutely no knowledge of anything that was "before" or "without" or "outside the universe"
An argument like the proposed causal one can be somewhat justified if you were discussing objects linked with causality within the context of the universe. By no means, can we claim causality exists outside the universe or between the universe and something outside it.
You can have absolutely no knowledge of anything that was "before" or "without" or "outside the universe"
An argument like the proposed causal one can be somewhat justified if you were discussing objects linked with causality within the context of the universe. By no means, can we claim causality exists outside the universe or between the universe and something outside it.
Well, for an advocate for openmindedness, you aren't being very open-minded here, are you?
Before you automatically debunk the argment, take some time to actually consider it.
1) God is supernatural.
2) The universe is natural.
3) Everything that is natural must abide by the laws of causality.
Conclusion: God does not have to abide by these laws.
There is no logical contradiction. If you want to prove me wrong, you must prove my premises are false since the argument is obviously valid.You say it is irrational to consider something that is outside the laws of the universe? Why?
Before you automatically debunk the argment, take some time to actually consider it.
1) God is supernatural.
2) The universe is natural.
3) Everything that is natural must abide by the laws of causality.
Conclusion: God does not have to abide by these laws.
There is no logical contradiction. If you want to prove me wrong, you must prove my premises are false since the argument is obviously valid.You say it is irrational to consider something that is outside the laws of the universe? Why?
I am not saying he is dumb at all... In fact, i respect what he is going through. I have been there myself and had thought about these very same arguments too..
His questioning of faith articles alone tells you that he is not dumb.. he will even get more and more open minded along the way as he looks for answers. He will even find new questions...
My comment was just about not repeating what we already have gone through before, thats all.
His questioning of faith articles alone tells you that he is not dumb.. he will even get more and more open minded along the way as he looks for answers. He will even find new questions
...My comment was just about not repeating what we already have gone through before, thats all.
you say hume i say descartes. And where is it that he is that you have been? Have you considered that you regressed?
