Moment of Clarity (12 Viewers)

[Snoop]

Read that out loud and tell me snoopy if you are not looking for trouble ??? How would u like us to react to those comments?? Those types of remarks could get your ass in some serious trouble if they are said publicly .....but it seems to me your an Uneducated fool living in your mama's house protected by your PC screen...so u can get away with your stupid remarks......get educated and then bring it...in the mean while dont sing your bullshit out here aight..

Dude your head is fucked up,read those lines,and the line before the line you highlighted 20 times,and if you still think it is offensive,I feel sorry for you

and don't worry,I said that to my Muslim friends too on their faces,I didn't see a stupid reaction like yours,look at you,you are the only one barking here for that..

 

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[Rami]

Altair is right about satan or iblees as he his known to us.He was Allah's favourite angel,but when he refused to bow infront of Adam,he was banished forever.I do think Satan has an independent form.as for the subject of Jinns,well yes they do exist and it has been mentioned in the Qur'aan.There are both good and evil demons.i belive they do have an independent form,but one where they can alter their outlook and can be visible to the naked eye in a different form rather than their own natural form.

and yes,it wasnt a typing error.Satan WAS an angel.

Ok then what do you say about the Quranic verse "kan min al-jinn fa fasaq a'n amr rabih" Loosly translated "he (satan) was a jinn but disobediant to his god"??

 

[Rami]

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I've been saying all along they christianity and Islam are very much alike. But it's a fact christianity judged violence for whatever reason, whereas Islam does not. Does that mean muslims are more violent than christians? No the past has shown us it doesn't.[/QUOTE]

You are wrong when you say Islam does not judge violence, cuz that is not the case obviously!

 

[LoScoglio]

Dude your head is fucked up,read those lines,and the line before the line you highlighted 20 times,and if you still think it is offensive,I feel sorry for you

and don't worry,I said that to my Muslim friends too on their faces,I didn't see a stupid reaction like yours,look at you,you are the only one barking here for that..

I think Hambon78 is trying to say you're an uneducated fool if you don't believe in the Qu'ran. I don't know why Hambon78 hasn't been banned yet, because I do believe that he's a religion fanatic. What I suggest is that you pity him. If you come across such people in real life, bigger actions might be necessary because any religion fanatic is an outright danger, but this is the internet so you won't be able to do anything about it. Just let him be until he gets banned, which he will if he keeps on making remarks like that. Look at Seven for example.

 

[LoScoglio]

You are wrong when you say Islam does not judge violence, cuz that is not the case obviously!

Christianity judges any form of violence. Islam judges most violence, unless it's used for the good. That's a big difference. In practice however it really doesn't matter.

 

[Rami]

Well, that's the exact same story christians believe in. But TBH all three Holy Books are more or less the same. Christians simply took the Thora and Muslims put together a mélange. I may sound disrespectful and I apologise for that, but that's what all three of them are really: the same book. Which makes mutual hate even more ridiculous.

That is also not true! All three books come from the same source (god). But the thing is that its a fact that the bible and torah have been altered numurous times throughout history. While the quran did not, it is still as pure as it was sent down to muhammad, not one word changed, nay one letter!!

Also one noticable difference, is that the bible and torah were not miracles of their respective prophets, each had their supplemetnting miracles from god. Whereas the quran is the miracle of Muhammad, the mere fact that it did not change one bit throughout 1400 is enough. But the scientific, linguistinc, rhetoric...etc is where it fills the reader with awe.

 

[Rami]

I think Hambon78 is trying to say you're an uneducated fool if you don't believe in the Qu'ran. I don't know why Hambon78 hasn't been banned yet, because I do believe that he's a religion fanatic. What I suggest is that you pity him. If you come across such people in real life, bigger actions might be necessary because any religion fanatic is an outright danger, but this is the internet so you won't be able to do anything about it. Just let him be until he gets banned, which he will if he keeps on making remarks like that. Look at Seven for example.

haha trust me I know him personally and he is the furthest from being any religion fanatic...take my word

 

[Snoop]

I think Hambon78 is trying to say you're an uneducated fool if you don't believe in the Qu'ran. I don't know why Hambon78 hasn't been banned yet, because I do believe that he's a religion fanatic. What I suggest is that you pity him. If you come across such people in real life, bigger actions might be necessary because any religion fanatic is an outright danger, but this is the internet so you won't be able to do anything about it. Just let him be until he gets banned, which he will if he keeps on making remarks like that. Look at Seven for example.

I wonder why he isn't banned too,I recieved every type of insults because of that line, Imagine the world if we had more hambons,everybody will kill each others because they are against each other's religion

I advised to read it 20 times again,let's see if that will bring a result

 

[LoScoglio]

That is also not true! All three books come from the same source (god). But the thing is that its a fact that the bible and torah have been altered numurous times throughout history. While the quran did not, it is still as pure as it was sent down to muhammad, not one word changed, nay one letter!!

Also one noticable difference, is that the bible and torah were not miracles of their respective prophets, each had their supplemetnting miracles from god. Whereas the quran is the miracle of Muhammad, the mere fact that it did not change one bit throughout 1400 is enough. But the scientific, linguistinc, rhetoric...etc is where it fills the reader with awe.

You're going to be very offended with what I'll say now, thus I already apologise:

If one of the three is more likely than the other to be straight from God it's the Torah, because it was there first. I won't believe the Qu'ran is any more "pure" as Muslims tend to say, because it looks like a mere knock off. Same stories (such as the Satan one), same message, yet more straight from God? Yeah right.

 

[Snoop]

haha trust me I know him personally and he is the furthest from being any religion fanatic...take my word

I wouldn't be sure of that,his actions doesn't show that.

 

[Rami]

Christianity judges any form of violence. Islam judges most violence, unless it's used for the good. That's a big difference. In practice however it really doesn't matter.

Which should be the case, sometimes violence is a must, or at least thats what I believe in. But of course it has to be justifable by clear cut guidelines not like what we see these days....

PS: whats ur name? I think I read it somewhere over here on the forum but forgot it.

 

[LoScoglio]

haha trust me I know him personally and he is the furthest from being any religion fanatic...take my word

Then why is he attacking people because they don't believe in the Qu'ran? That's simply retarded and should not go by unnoticed on this forum. If I can be frank, I think it's a disgrace the mods haven't done anything about this yet. Look at how the guy is treating snoop.

 

[LoScoglio]

Which should be the case, sometimes violence is a must, or at least thats what I believe in. But of course it has to be justifable by clear cut guidelines not like what we see these days....

PS: whats ur name? I think I read it somewhere over here on the forum but forgot it.

Well that's certainly a position I can understand. I was only saying that christians don't believe in that principle. So although that's not how I see things, I do understand that that's another way. After all christian societies have prisons as well and some of them still have the death penalty (although I, and the christian point of view, don't agree with that sort of treatment). I guess one could say christians chose to be rather hypocritical about the issue, where Muslims said it like it is.

My first name you mean?

 

[Rami]

You're going to be very offended with what I'll say now, thus I already apologise:

If one of the three is more likely than the other to be straight from God it's the Torah, because it was there first. I won't believe the Qu'ran is any more "pure" as Muslims tend to say, because it looks like a mere knock off. Same stories (such as the Satan one), same message, yet more straight from God? Yeah right.

first of all I said all of them were sent straight from god, but the bible and torah were altered numerous times throughout history and that is fact, I am sure you are with me on this. Believing in these books and others is essential to the Islamic faith, denying them would deem me non-muslim.

But the Quran was not, I could proove it to you scientifcially. Come with me to Istanbul and take a modern Quran and compare it with "moshaf Othaman" which is around 1400 years old and compare letter by letter if you would. I for one have seen a 500 year old Quran and it was the same.

 

[LoScoglio]

first of all I said all of them were sent straight from god, but the bible and torah were altered numerous times throughout history and that is fact, I am sure you are with me on this. Believing in these books and others is essential to the Islamic faith, denying them would deem me non-muslim.

But the Quran was not, I could proove it to you scientifcially. Come with me to Istanbul and take a modern Quran and compare it with "moshaf Othaman" which is around 1400 years old and compare letter by letter if you would. I for one have seen a 500 year old Quran and it was the same.

True, but I don't think the core of christian believe has altered since the beginning. I also don't think christians are as strict to the Bible as Muslims are to the Qu'ran. You for example will probably still spend a lot time reading the Qu'ran, but that's not so much the case for christians.

To be fair you do have a point here. But the Bible wasn't written by God and therefore it doesn't really matter that much if he was altered afterwards or not. The Bible was inspired by God, the general consensus was given by God. And that part hasn't changed. The Qu'ran was dictated by Allah (IIRC), so that's another story.

 

[Rami]

Then why is he attacking people because they don't believe in the Qu'ran? That's simply retarded and should not go by unnoticed on this forum. If I can be frank, I think it's a disgrace the mods haven't done anything about this yet. Look at how the guy is treating snoop.

I have not seen him attacking someone because of not believing in the Quran...Iv seen him attack but not for that. It might be the case but missed it.

But look on the other side...did this unbelieving person actually read the Quran?? Or is he just denying something he has no knowledge about? That IMO is something ignorant and deserves whatever he gets, IF that was the case.

 

[LoScoglio]

I have not seen him attacking someone because of not believing in the Quran...Iv seen him attack but not for that. It might be the case but missed it.

But look on the other side...did this unbelieving person actually read the Quran?? Or is he just denying something he has no knowledge about? That IMO is something ignorant and deserves whatever he gets, IF that was the case.

He has been attacking people for things that didn't really have much to do with the Qu'ran in the first place. He was having a fight with Seven, simply because the latter implied the Qu'ran could have been written by people and that God might not exist and now he's doing the same with snoop. He's coming to a point where he attacks people for doubting the existence of Allah, and that's where you cross the line and become a religion fanatic.

 

[LoScoglio]

btw, shouldn't Seven be unbanned? It's christmas for everyone. I'd like to have a chat with the guy.

 

[Snoop]

first of all I said all of them were sent straight from god, but the bible and torah were altered numerous times throughout history and that is fact, I am sure you are with me on this. Believing in these books and others is essential to the Islamic faith, denying them would deem me non-muslim.

But the Quran was not, I could proove it to you scientifcially. Come with me to Istanbul and take a modern Quran and compare it with "moshaf Othaman" which is around 1400 years old and compare letter by letter if you would. I for one have seen a 500 year old Quran and it was the same.

Rami you are saying that all of those 3 books were sent by God,and you say it was changed later,hence you believe my bible is sent by God,ok explain me this.how God will let the book change?and let all the christians believe in something wrong,in a wrong religion without being notified??

"we all believe in the 3 religions" that line doesn't make sense at all Rami,how come you believe in all those three were the other two books are missing and changed?? that's something I don't understand..If you believe in Christian religion or judaism (misspelled) shouldn't you read it first so you decide later if youi believe or not? or it's forced to you to believe even without reading because you Quraan tells you so?

 

[Rami]

True, but I don't think the core of christian believe has altered since the beginning. I also don't think christians are as strict to the Bible as Muslims are to the Qu'ran. You for example will probably still spend a lot time reading the Qu'ran, but that's not so much the case for christians.

To be fair you do have a point here. But the Bible wasn't written by God and therefore it doesn't really matter that much if he was altered afterwards or not. The Bible was inspired by God, the general consensus was given by God. And that part hasn't changed. The Qu'ran was dictated by Allah (IIRC), so that's another story.

No I think part of it was inspired but lost with all the other disciple books. From an Islamic point of view Jesus's and Moses books are gods books and infallible. And there are numerous references in the Quran mentioning alteration and damnation upon who done it.

Regardless of the case, If you dont take a book of god strictly I dont know what would. The delaration of independence?

Yes I do read it on a daily basis in my prayers. and yes whats ur first name