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[Modo Bianconero]

i dont like discussing religion .. its a sensitive subject plus my knowledge of it is very limted.... i enjoyed reading everyones opinions though... dont think anyone deserved to be banned because of his opinion offended sum1 else .. its just an opinion ..

 

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[Hambon]

First of all, I do not appriciate you insulting a prophet.

2nd, what I meant by saying that any sane mane who's read the Qu'ran cannot say that it's written by Man. This is not an attack on anyone else, because as a Muslim I believe in the Bible and the Torah. And no, Prophet Muhammad, had nothing to do with the writing of the Qur'an. If you knew any better, you would know that he was illiterate and that he did not write a single word of the Qur'an, but that he told people who could read and write who then wrote down the words. It is comments like this that confirm that you and others know nothing about Islam.
A cheap knock-off? What do you think this is? Seriously, that's the most rediculous and most disrespectful comment I've ever heard. You have something to say, come with a valid argument and we'll discuss it, if you can't then read my signiture. TBH, I didn't expect this from you Tony.

well said Ze Tahir...very good rebuttal

people here should really lay off religions once again especially if they dont know what there talking about.....Give your theories but in a respectable manner, also some occasional facts are nice..

 

[Hambon]

I see nothing in that what you quoted that is anything other than a personal opinion... You may not agree with him but he is entitled to that opinion as you are to yours... Or are you saying he is not allowed an opinion that doesnt go along with your religious belief ??

Shadowfax what i said is my opinon purely and so is his...but insulting religions?! i have never done so and he shouldnt either......as a muslim i dont agree with a thing he said but none the less he should keep those ill-advised comment to his self....you dont see other muslims on this forum disrespecting.....NO! so he shouldnt either...

 

[mikhail]

I see nothing in that what you quoted that is anything other than a personal opinion... You may not agree with him but he is entitled to that opinion as you are to yours... Or are you saying he is not allowed an opinion that doesnt go along with your religious belief ??

Consider the manner the opinion is delivered in too. Religion is as touchy as subject as any. The only way to hold a reasoned debate on it is to show some respect for the opinions of everyone else too, regardless of how you feel about that opinion.

 

[Modo Bianconero]

First of all, I do not appriciate you insulting a prophet.

2nd, what I meant by saying that any sane mane who's read the Qu'ran cannot say that it's written by Man. This is not an attack on anyone else, because as a Muslim I believe in the Bible and the Torah. And no, Prophet Muhammad, had nothing to do with the writing of the Qur'an. If you knew any better, you would know that he was illiterate and that he did not write a single word of the Qur'an, but that he told people who could read and write who then wrote down the words. It is comments like this that confirm that you and others know nothing about Islam.

A cheap knock-off? What do you think this is? Seriously, that's the most rediculous and most disrespectful comment I've ever heard. You have something to say, come with a valid argument and we'll discuss it, if you can't then read my signiture. TBH, I didn't expect this from you Tony.

i dont know how u can be so calm replying to him..... i just saw his post when you quoted him .. am not at all religious and i dont know much about islam but i kno enuf for tht post to offend the hell out of me ... i always thought this thread was a bad idea .. havoc is everywhere between members .. like i said religion is a sensitive subject.. if u cant be openminded and mature discussing it then dont.... tony ur post was very offensive am really disappointed :frown:

 

[Hambon]

Consider the manner the opinion is delivered in too. Religion is as touchy as subject as any. The only way to hold a reasoned debate on it is to show some respect for the opinions of everyone else too, regardless of how you feel about that opinion.

Mikhail (future UN Ambassador) hehe....

thanks

good night

ps.

I never meant to be offensive to anyone, but it really hurts when someone talks rudely about ones beliefs or religion.

 

[Dan]

Why de fook was Seven banned?

Zlatan, wtf? He was voicing his views- it was a direct insult to anyone, as in directly slagging them off. Even swag saw nothing wrong with the posts.

Anyway, two weeks is slighty harsh dont you think??

 

[Respaul]

Shadowfax what i said is my opinon purely and so is his...but insulting religions?!

He didnt insult he gave his opinion (others maybe but not for once seven)

i have never done so and he shouldnt either......as a muslim i dont agree with a thing he said but none the less he should keep those ill-advised comment to his self....you dont see other muslims on this forum disrespecting.....NO! so he shouldnt either...

You talk about not insulting religions... but there is more scope for agrievement on those very grounds in what you jus wrote right there than in sevens posts within this thread

 

[Respaul]

Consider the manner the opinion is delivered in too. Religion is as touchy as subject as any. The only way to hold a reasoned debate on it is to show some respect for the opinions of everyone else too, regardless of how you feel about that opinion.

Of course, but in sevens case it is clear as day the manner in which he offered his opinion... Though if you look to the post ze tahir quoted of someone elses... that is genuinely insulting, yet hasnt garnered such a response...

 

[Hambon]

He didnt insult he gave his opinion (others maybe but not for once seven)



You talk about not insulting religions... but there is more scope for agrievement on those very grounds in what you jus wrote right there than in sevens posts within this thread

It hurts when some one talks about rudely about your beliefs or religion.....of course i sound aggrevated wouldnt you?? if i talked in such a rude manner towards your beliefs....anways Shadow...lets just forget about everything for tonight i a finna hit the sack...lets just hope seven gets back soon and learns his lesson

peace i am out...

 

[Zé Tahir]

And come to think about it, I'll go really far in this one. I believe that no religion based on a book is worth believing. That's right, I spit on the beliefs of catholics, moslims and whoever truly believe in something written down by man. However, I support people who believe in the existence of God and try to fill their lives as they please. Being religious is a human reflex and a good one for all I care, but believing a book is fucked up.

For all you Seven lovers, tell me how is this not offensive? Could that have not been phrased in a better manner? Was that really necessary? Who does he think he is? Kaiser Franco's reincarnation? He made a similar comment last year, much worse though, and it was mentioned recently in his 'goodbye' thread, and Seven was looking up to him like a hitler youth. So this is no suprise.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Well, the Bible, we can all agree was written by man by no divine inspiration. The Qur'an on the other hand is 100% God's words. Any sane man who's read it cannot deny that. Until then, Axl is right, there is no definite answer.

ps: Axl, congrat's on the 2,000

Some people have misunderstood what I meant here. I, in no way, was saying that those who are not Muslims, are insane. I, in no way, making an assumption or attacking the Bible. I, myself am a believer of The Book (Qur'an, Torah, Bible). Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but isn't a fact, that the bible was not revealed by God and that it was written by men. I in my entire life have never met a christian who has denied that. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I am 99% sure.

Lastly, I was originally going to put in brackets "imo", but forgot to. So this is not an attack on anyone.

Grazie

 

[Respaul]

For all you Seven lovers, tell me how is this not offensive? Could that have not been phrased in a better manner? Was that really necessary? Who does he think he is? Kaiser Franco's reincarnation? He made a similar comment last year, much worse though, and it was mentioned recently in his 'goodbye' thread, and Seven was looking up to him like a hitler youth. So this is no suprise.

Firstly, im not a seven lover at all... Personally i think he deserved banning on a few occasions in the past, I jus feel he has been misstreated in this thread... I niether like or dislike him...

As for the bit you quoted or libero's similar post before... you have to take the context into account, its perfectly clear what both of those posts meant and it wasnt insulting... but hey, if you found it insulting thats your bag

 

[Respaul]

Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but isn't a fact, that the bible was not revealed by God and that it was written by men. I in my entire life have never met a christian who has denied that. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I am 99% sure.


Grazie

Thats correct

 

[Zé Tahir]

Firstly, im not a seven lover at all... Personally i think he deserved banning on a few occasions in the past, I jus feel he has been misstreated in this thread... I niether like or dislike him...

As for the bit you quoted or libero's similar post before... you have to take the context into account, its perfectly clear what both of those posts meant and it wasnt insulting... but hey, if you found it insulting thats your bag

I understand Paul, I know you aren't one of them. But yea I do find that offensive, but had he phrased that in any other way I wouldn't have cared.

 

[Bjerknes]

For all you Seven lovers, tell me how is this not offensive? Could that have not been phrased in a better manner? Was that really necessary? Who does he think he is? Kaiser Franco's reincarnation? He made a similar comment last year, much worse though, and it was mentioned recently in his 'goodbye' thread, and Seven was looking up to him like a hitler youth. So this is no suprise.

Sounds like Seven took a page out of the book of Kaiser Franco, or just copied him to look "cool." Either way it's absolutely pathetic.

 

[Bozi]

agree with hambon and ze on this you cant say i piss on the beliefs of muslims or any other religion for that matter,even in jest its the worst possible taste
p.s. i am not muslim but if i was i would be raging with that comment

 

[Bjerknes]

I disagree, Zlatan has always been full of himself and if anything he's holding back, I expected him to be more reckless than this.

He always acted as if he was superior to everyone else, however now since he has the power his "holier than thou" demeanor is all the more apparent. "Who the hell cares" is now a common phrase used by Zlatan, which is not exactly very becoming of a moderator..

 

[Snoop]

good points are great to focus on....i would love to have proper discussions. But when children or should i say Uneducated kids get into the discussion it just gets aggrevating...and no my friend i am not a blinded fanatic and was never brainwashed...please make your infrences towards other people more educated before you put your fingers on your keyboard.....aight buddy

Like I told you before Hambon,don't be too touchy about this.relax,everybody is free to think to say whatever they want.If you find it offensive,I really advise you to leave this thread if it really annoys you,say whatever you want about my religion,I will reply you if it was a critic,if it was an insult,i will just ignore it.you know what I mean?

I told you you are acting like brainwashed or fanatics,because you see Seven's posts all of them are as insults,they are not (only the joke could be),while others are critics you can answer them with calm,look at Tahir,he is a good example.

I, myself am a believer of The Book (Qur'an, Torah, Bible). Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but isn't a fact, that the bible was not revealed by God and that it was written by men. I in my entire life have never met a christian who has denied that. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I am 99% sure.

Tahir,first of all,there is no logical person on earth that believes in those three books all together,let's not kid ourselves.

you say you belive in Bible,right?then you believe what Bible says,which says Jesus is the son of God.are you saying that you belive in that Tahir?

 

[Zé Tahir]

agree with hambon and ze on this you cant say i piss on the beliefs of muslims or any other religion for that matter,even in jest its the worst possible taste
p.s. i am not muslim but if i was i would be raging with that comment

thanx for understanding mate