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[ListenToMe]

Yes? Care to say where I said anything that was wrong? You can conclude all those posts with one sentence:

"I dont have a clue, you don't have a clue, so you should stop acting like you have."

 

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[Tom]

I disagree, Zlatan has always been full of himself and if anything he's holding back, I expected him to be more reckless than this.

I think he's almost reverted to type. He started out all full of himself like you said, but personally i thought in the 6 months or so before being made a mod he was one of the best posters on here and looked to me at least like mod material. At the end of the day though it appears you were right and I wrong. Surely its not in the best interests of the forum to have a mod who just walks around smacking od superiority and banning whomever he pleases without reason though. Its abuse of power.

 

[Respaul]

cant really see where any of those posts are insulting, jus an opinion... you also miss some responses that were worse than what seven said (and without doubt insulting at that) ...

Care to explain mikhail

 

[Snoop]

I hate to fuel this debate, but for reference, here's Seven's entire collection of posts (pre-ban) on this thread. (All emphasis his - these are unedited)

and your point is .... ?

 

[ListenToMe]

After reading my posts again, my ban looks even more predetermined and idiotic. I'm astounded and I feel personally violated TBH.

 

[Tom]

and these Bans should be decided by all mods (voting between them).

Agreed, bannings such as this should be debated in the mod forum. Its imperative as mods you show a united front or people will start to undermine your authority etc and you will look silly

anyway I'm off to get lashed again so good luck with your struggle seven I'm sure you'll get rightfully reinstated in due course

 

[ListenToMe]

Agreed, bannings such as this should be debated in the mod forum. Its imperative as mods you show a united front or people will start to undermine your authority etc and you will look silly

anyway I'm off to get lashed again so good luck with your struggle seven I'm sure you'll get rightfully reinstated in due course

Cheers. Have fun.

 

[Snoop]

cant really see where any of those posts are insulting, jus an opinion... you also miss some responses that were worse than what seven said (and without doubt insulting at that) ...

Care to explain mikhail

Exactly,I don't see anything wrong about those,those are opinions only,I had my opinion too on Islam religon,thanx God Mikhail is not the one responsible here,I would get banned

like I said,the only unacceptable post from Seven was that "joke",and that's just my Opinion.

 

[mikhail]

cant really see where any of those posts are insulting, jus an opinion... you also miss some responses that were worse than what seven said (and without doubt insulting at that) ...

Care to explain mikhail

@Snoop - no point, just arming us with the facts.


Z didn't explain his reasoning behind the ban. He seemed to feel that what Seven had posted was self-evidently deserving of one.

TBH, I would only really have a major problem with one of them, and I'd probably have locked the thread, rather than banned him. The debate displayed all of the worst charactoristics of a religious debate - arrogance, insenstivity and disrespect.

I'll raise the issue with the others, and we'll come to an agreement on whether to overturn or reduce the ban or leave it as is. In the meantime, say your piece and leave the debate. Your opinions will be considered.

 

[ListenToMe]

So let me recapitulate:

Almost everyone is backing me up here. Even one of the moderators agreed with my posts. The only ones left who seem to disagree are Andy and Zlatan. The guy I "offended", couldn't care less.

May I ask you, mod squad, WHY AM I BANNED?

 

[ListenToMe]

@Snoop - no point, just arming us with the facts.


Z didn't explain his reasoning behind the ban. He seemed to feel that what Seven had posted was self-evidently deserving of one.
TBH, I would only really have a major problem with one of them, and I'd probably have locked the thread, rather than banned him. The debate displayed all of the worst charactoristics of a religious debate - arrogance, insenstivity and disrespect.

I'll raise the issue with the others, and we'll come to an agreement on whether to overturn or reduce the ban or leave it as is. In the meantime, say your piece and leave the debate. Your opinions will be considered.

Could it be that Zlatan was after me? Could it be that this looks very much like a personal vendetta?

 

[mikhail]

Could it be that Zlatan was after me? Could it be that this looks very much like a personal vendetta?

It'll be considered. Now leave, or I'll propose a permanent IP ban.

 

[Snoop]

@Snoop - no point, just arming us with the facts.


Z didn't explain his reasoning behind the ban. He seemed to feel that what Seven had posted was self-evidently deserving of one.

TBH, I would only really have a major problem with one of them, and I'd probably have locked the thread, rather than banned him. The debate displayed all of the worst charactoristics of a religious debate - arrogance, insenstivity and disrespect.

I am totally against closing threads,that's very wrong.everyone should control himself,and if there is a disrespect or an insult,the persone should be warned/banned.

closing the thread is the easiest way.

 

[Hambon]

I just read over Sevens post .... Me being a muslim i found those comments very insulting,unthought out,and purely ignorrant... not just to muslims but to religions as a whole. Those type of comments should be kept to ones self and not said publicy on a form where we are supposed to be "friends" ....It might have been severe to punish him...but seven should watch what he says especially when it comes to the heated discussions about religion......i have pm the mods about banning religious talks because they can lead to disaster instantainoulsly...

 

[Respaul]

I just read over Sevens post .... Me being a muslim i found those comments very insulting,unthought out,and purely ignorrant... ...

Can you show an example of a post/part post that you found to be insulting / unthought out / ignorrant ?

 

[Snoop]

I just read over Sevens post .... Me being a muslim i found those comments very insulting,unthought out,and purely ignorrant... not just to muslims but to religions as a whole. Those type of comments should be kept to ones self and not said publicy on a form where we are supposed to be "friends" ....It might have been severe to punish him...but seven should watch what he says especially when it comes to the heated discussions about religion......i have pm the mods about banning religious talks because they can lead to disaster instantainoulsly...

I am sorry hambon,but I don't think that's true.you sound like those blinded fanatics of religion.Like "Discussing religion should be banned".that's not very wise man.
If you think religion is not a good topic to discuss,all I can think is that you are brainwashed and can't accept any critics about your religion.
Everybody is free to discuss any topic they want,Like I explained you in the morning in PMs,that you should ignore the insults of it,and focus on the good points of the discusion.

 

[Hambon]

Can you show an example of a post/part post that you found to be insulting / unthought out / ignorrant ?

here u are...

Originally Posted by Seven
Look, axl, you can believe in whatever God you want to, but saying the Qu'ran was not written by man is disregarding all sense of logic. (And if God did exist, why would he bless us with a sense of logic that disregarded something like that?)

About the argument "you can't prove you're right either", I'll say just this:

God himself told me yesterday I was the greatest man EVER. He even told me I was his son. Then he went on about how I should start a new religion, but only after I've written down every word he dictates me.

I'm just as believable as The Prophet or Jesus to be frank. You can't prove I'm lying.

He must be Bi-polar or on something dont u think??

Another one...
Originally Posted by Seven
And come to think about it, I'll go really far in this one. I believe that no religion based on a book is worth believing. That's right, I spit on the beliefs of catholics, moslims and whoever truly believe in something written down by man. However, I support people who believe in the existence of God and try to fill their lives as they please. Being religious is a human reflex and a good one for all I care, but believing a book is fucked up.

excellent....

I'm not sure about this and I might be wrong, but didn't Mohammed admit he wrote the Qu'ran? I though he wrote it through divine inspiration, but did admit he actually wrote it himself when talking about the act itself.
The second part I highligthed is a LIE. The chances of it being written by man (which it 100% in a clinical way) are a billion minus one. The chances of it being written by man through divine inspiration are one in a billion. Not exactly equal if you ask me..

He is so sure of himself dont you think!!! why Prophesize shit out of your ass if your unsure buddy?? stop putting down religions when you dont know shit about shit!!

Have to admit religion fanatics are good for one thing: having a laugh.

thanks alot for admitting that broham!!

Whatever. The Qu'ran was written by MAN. End of story..

another prophecy by the almighty seven

Agreed. But people who believe shouldn't act like they know it all (this isn't aimed at you btw). Because for all I see, they are nothing different than people who lived thousands of years ago. They aren't any more evolved than those. So they should also stop acting as if monotheism is a more evolved form of religion than polytheism...

took the words out of my mouth...






There is probably more nonsense in here by the Almighty seven but i dont have the time to look up his bullshit theories on religion....i will just stick to the books and so should he so the next time he can know what the hell he is babbling....

 

[Zé Tahir]

Oh really? how do you figure that? thats very insulting, so basicly what you are saying is that anybody who doesnt belive Islam to be the true religion of God must be insane. Its right there in your post, in plain english.

FYI, The Quran is a cheap knock off of the Bible with some slight alterations. It even suggests that Judaism and Christianity is the word of Allah but that Islam is the final revelation. I wonder if Mohamed was to lazy to come up with some shit off his own. Maybe he just decided it was too much work so it would be better to try and steal followers from other religions.

Either way, believe what ever you want if it gives you comfort and helps you thru life, nothing wrong with that, but dont come here and suggest people are insane if they dont acknowlege Islam to be the one and only true religion.

First of all, I do not appriciate you insulting a prophet.

2nd, what I meant by saying that any sane mane who's read the Qu'ran cannot say that it's written by Man. This is not an attack on anyone else, because as a Muslim I believe in the Bible and the Torah. And no, Prophet Muhammad, had nothing to do with the writing of the Qur'an. If you knew any better, you would know that he was illiterate and that he did not write a single word of the Qur'an, but that he told people who could read and write who then wrote down the words. It is comments like this that confirm that you and others know nothing about Islam.

A cheap knock-off? What do you think this is? Seriously, that's the most rediculous and most disrespectful comment I've ever heard. You have something to say, come with a valid argument and we'll discuss it, if you can't then read my signiture. TBH, I didn't expect this from you Tony.

 

[Hambon]

I am sorry hambon,but I don't think that's true.you sound like those blinded fanatics of religion.Like "Discussing religion should be banned".that's not very wise man.
If you think religion is not a good topic to discuss,all I can think is that you are brainwashed and can't accept any critics about your religion.
Everybody is free to discuss any topic they want,Like I explained you in the morning in PMs,that you should ignore the insults of it,and focus on the good points of the discusion.

good points are great to focus on....i would love to have proper discussions. But when children or should i say Uneducated kids get into the discussion it just gets aggrevating...and no my friend i am not a blinded fanatic and was never brainwashed...please make your infrences towards other people more educated before you put your fingers on your keyboard.....aight buddy

 

[Respaul]

I see nothing in that what you quoted that is anything other than a personal opinion... You may not agree with him but he is entitled to that opinion as you are to yours... Or are you saying he is not allowed an opinion that doesnt go along with your religious belief ??