Milan Milanovic - Lokomotiv Moscow - CB (1 Viewer)

[CaesarCod]

Milan Milanovic, hmmm, better than Inter Interovic i guess

 

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[Lo-Pan]

Why should we pay anything if he's out of contract?

It makes sense if we pay something to get him in January, just so we can loan him to another Italian club and get him as a non-EU next season. But if we get him in March then we can't even loan him and he won't be available for next season because there is no way we will use the non-EU spot on him.

surely there is a rule, as there is in england in regards to youth players, which suggest, demands even, that compensation of some form is paid to the feeder club?

 

[JuveJay]

It does.

 

[only-juve]

Anyone actually saw this guy ?

 

[Wahdan]

Agent: "The deal is not done yet. There is an interest from Juve, thats it"

"He has an excellent technique and very similar to Ranocchia"

His agent is Buffon's too.

 

[K.O.]

Milan Milanovic, hmmm, better than Inter Interovic i guess

For me, Inter Interovic is better.

 

[YasoR17]

Great. In a couple of years we'll be Serbia FC....

 

[Gamaro]

He's in Lokomotiv Moscow's youth team. He doesn't play for their senior team.
We actually might get him for the primavera. In that case he's not taking a non-EU spot, right?

I don't think he is for the primavera,when he comes for the new season he will be already 20,and that's old for the primavera.

 

[Alen]

I don't think he is for the primavera,when he comes for the new season he will be already 20,and that's old for the primavera.

You might be right.
Although, by checking our current primavera you can see that we have players who are 20 years old and some who will be 20 in a couple of months (De Paola is 20 already and by the end of the season Constantino, Ferreiro, Romano, Buchel, Belcastro, Enrico and Giannetti will be 20).
IIRC players younger than 21 can be registered for the primavera so we can use it as an excuse to register this guy there and then we can use him the way we're now using Sorensen, Giandonato and the likes.
Both in Europe and serie A he'll be in the B list for primavera players, which doesn't exclude using him in the senior team.

It's just a question of taking the non-EU spot if registered for the primavera or not. Since primavera don't take the non-EU spot (if I understood JuveJay well), then there is no problem at all.

 

[Red]

Why should we pay anything if he's out of contract?

Do Bosman style transfers exist in Russia?

Not being in the EU, I'm not convinced they are fully signed up to the freedom of contract idea that is normal in European transfers at the end of a player's contract.

Yes.

BTW you pay compensation for players who are 23 and under who leave on a free transfer, for their 'schooling'.

Is that not only for players moving within one country?

Scottish teams don't pay compensation to English clubs for U23 players signed on a Bosman.

 

[JuveJay]

Do Bosman style transfers exist in Russia?

Not being in the EU, I'm not convinced they are fully signed up to the freedom of contract idea that is normal in European transfers at the end of a player's contract.



Is that not only for players moving within one country?

Scottish teams don't pay compensation to English clubs for U23 players signed on a Bosman.

http://www.liv.ac.uk/footballindustry/bosman.html

POST-BOSMAN CHALLENGES TO THE TRANSFER SYSTEM

In 2000, the European Commission announced that it was taking action against the football authorities because the current international transfer system breaches the right to freedom of movement between E.U. states under the Treaty of Amsterdam, even for players who are still under contract. They argued that footballers who wished to unilaterally break their contract of employment should be able to leave with a term of notice, as employees in other sectors can do, with only a relatively small amount of compensation being paid in return.

This action led to a compromise being reached between the football authorities and the Commission which was ratified by FIFA's executive in summer 2001. The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer. They made no reference to the payment of a transfer fee. The regulations are as follows (and are reproduced in more detail on www.FIFA.com):
1: Training Compensation for Players under 23
2: Protection of contracts for the first 2-3 years by - a sporting sanction of a four month suspension for a player who unilaterally breaches their contract within this period - compensation reflecting the wages and period left on the contract of the player in accordance with national law
3: Movement for players only in 2 transfer "windows" a season
4: The creation of an independent and objective disciplinary and arbitration system to deal with contractual disputes and compensation.

I always assumed it was an international agreement under the Bosman ruling, I don't know the circumstances for players moving from England to Scotland due to the 'United Kingdom' factor there.

 

[Red]

I'm pretty sure that, in practice, that only applies to domestic transfers.

 

[JuveJay]

The new transfer regulations apply to every player who signed a contract after 1st September 2001 and is involved in an international transfer.

Seems to say different here, but I'd like to see an official document?

 

[JuveJay]

A case in point: http://sport.stv.tv/football/scotti...erkar-move-on-hold-due-to-compensation-claim/

 

[Red]

So, why isn't compensation paid between Scottish and English clubs?

Aberdeen pinched a player from England last summer, because we didn't have to pay compensation, but an English team would have.

 

[JuveJay]

Like I said, it probably counts as a domestic transfer because it is 'United Kingdom' rather than between FA's.

 

[Red]

But if that was the case, surely the English teams wouldn't have had to pay compensation as there would have been no distinction made between Scotland and England?

 

[JuveJay]

But Dale gaffer Keith Hill has hit out at the defender, insisting the nature of his exit ensured the Spotland side got no financial return.

Hill said: "Rory McArdle had a pre-contract agreement with Aberdeen and it's been in the offing for some time.

"I can't see anything other than greed in Rory going.

"He was 23 years old on May 1 and apparently that entitles him to cross the border without compensation coming Rochdale's way.

"He's gone to Aberdeen purely as there is no financial implication or compensation involved. I'm disappointed on this one. It's fuelled by a pocketful of green."

McArdle for example wasn't under 23, have you definitely signed players for free who were?

 

[Red]

Not that we've signed.

There have been players who've gone to England for no compensation who were quite young.

Possible that they were all 23 by the time they moved, though.

 

[tosh_rose]

I don't think he is for the primavera,when he comes for the new season he will be already 20,and that's old for the primavera.

Marotta said a few days ago that he is very happy with what Fabio Paratici did this summer with bringing some quality youngsters and promised that next year Juve will sign even more young players, so that they will play with our Primavera and whenever we need a back-up, they can be called-up and do their job...
I think that many young and talented players will follow-up Milan and join the club (we still need an official confirmation for the transfer from Juve or Lokomotiv M)