Michael Jackson Dead at 50 (9 Viewers)

[Martin]

I was talking with my friends the other day about whether MJ did what he was acused of doing. I said that i dont believe at all that he did those horable things to the children. My explanation was that he had a tough childhood that he didnt get enough attention from his father and so, all he wanted to do was make those children be happy, provide them with things that he didn have when he was a child. THere is no doubt in my mind that he had some psychological problems but i think that is a result of his tough childhood. In his mind, hanging out with the kids and even sleeping in the same bed with them was a way of acting as a father to them as a good father as a father that he never had. There is no way that he molested any of the children. I hope im making any sence, cause this would sound much better in Macedonian language

I don't have any opinions as to whether the allegations were true.

However, I think we fall into a trap too often when we think to ourselves "this person, I cannot conceive that he would do such at thing". Especially when it's someone you don't even know personally, just through the media. We have this instinct that we want to insist to ourselves that certain people we respect are pure and ideal, while in fact every person is flawed. Every person you've ever respected has done things you would condemn.

If you follow US politics a bit you will know that quite regularly there is a sex scandal among the Republicans. Someone was having an affair, or was paying for gay sex, or something like that. And every time it's "shocking" to everyone. How could this person that we so strongly believed was pure and good do such a thing?? That is where the mistake is made, to idealize a person in the first place.

 

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[Firestarter]

I hope im making any sence, cause this would sound much better in Macedonian language

No,no. I got what you were trying to say.

 

[Dinsdale]

You are not right. As i said there is no doubt that he had some problems in his had and all he did he did with good intentions. And i also said that there is no way that he molested the kids in any way. If anything should have been done to him it was forcing him to see a shrink and not accuse him of molesting a child. They were only after his money.

Agreed. Whether he was a child molester or not (which I personally doubt too), the most evil and sick persons are definitely the parents of those kids.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

I don't have any opinions as to whether the allegations were true.

However, I think we fall into a trap too often when we think to ourselves "this person, I cannot conceive that he would do such at thing". Especially when it's someone you don't even know personally, just through the media. We have this instinct that we want to insist to ourselves that certain people we respect are pure and ideal, while in fact every person is flawed. Every person you've ever respected has done things you would condemn.

If you follow US politics a bit you will know that quite regularly there is a sex scandal among the Republicans. Someone was having an affair, or was paying for gay sex, or something like that. And every time it's "shocking" to everyone. How could this person that we so strongly believed was pure and good do such a thing?? That is where the mistake is made, to idealize a person in the first place.

Man, in both of my posts i never said that i tought of him as perfect and ideal. Come on man, it would be nuts to think that. All i said was that i really dont think that he had sex with those children.

 

[Elvin]

I don't have any opinions as to whether the allegations were true.

However, I think we fall into a trap too often when we think to ourselves "this person, I cannot conceive that he would do such at thing". Especially when it's someone you don't even know personally, just through the media. We have this instinct that we want to insist to ourselves that certain people we respect are pure and ideal, while in fact every person is flawed. Every person you've ever respected has done things you would condemn.

If you follow US politics a bit you will know that quite regularly there is a sex scandal among the Republicans. Someone was having an affair, or was paying for gay sex, or something like that. And every time it's "shocking" to everyone. How could this person that we so strongly believed was pure and good do such a thing?? That is where the mistake is made, to idealize a person in the first place.

Shut up, infidel. Del Piero is perfection :toast:

 

[Kosta]

But he did yell at Palladino.

 

[Fred]

You are not right. As i said there is no doubt that he had some problems in his had and all he did he did with good intentions. And i also said that there is no way that he molested the kids in any way. If anything should have been done to him it was forcing him to see a shrink and not accuse him of molesting a child. They were only after his money.

Maybe you're right. Maybe he didn't molest those kids. But you have to agree that the whole thing is a bit shady, and you have to at least admit that he should have known better.

Oh and your English is completely fine

 

[Fred]

But he did yell at Palladino.

He must have had a strong reason for that.

What are you saying that DP is not perfect?

 

[Kosta]

IMO, he considered himself one big child, never got a grip from reality from all that fame and money. Thus the Never Never land naming of the ranch and referring to himself as Peter Pan.

 

[Martin]

Maybe you're right. Maybe he didn't molest those kids. But you have to agree that the whole thing is a bit shady, and you have to at least admit that he should have known better.

Oh and your English is completely fine

Well there is another way to look at it. From what I've heard basically he failed to grow up, someone even wrote he had the mental development of a 10 year old. If the parents really wanted to squeeze him for money, I guess he's an easier victim than most, right?

 

[Dinsdale]

Maybe you're right. Maybe he didn't molest those kids. But you have to agree that the whole thing is a bit shady, and you have to at least admit that he should have known better.

But he didn't because he was mentally messed up. He didn't even understand why people made a big deal of him sharing a bed with children.

The thing I find odd is, you're questioning MJ's behaviour, but you're not even mentioning the role of the parents of those children. They knew about the rumors, and still they let their children spend the night.

 

[Kosta]

He must have had a strong reason for that.

What are you saying that DP is not perfect?

Nobody's perfect.

 

[Stephan]

Nobody's perfect.

Superman?

 

[Fred]

Well there is another way to look at it. From what I've heard basically he failed to grow up, someone even wrote he had the mental development of a 10 year old. If the parents really wanted to squeeze him for money, I guess he's an easier victim than most, right?

I guess so. And it's entirely plausible, especially in a country like the US where you hear of that people make a career of suing rich people/companies etc.

But he didn't because he was mentally messed up. He didn't even understand why people made a big deal of him sharing a bed with children.

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Also plausible. I don't know much about the subject tbh.

The thing I find odd is, you're questioning MJ's behaviour, but you're not even mentioning the role of the parents of those children. They knew about the rumors, and still they let their children spend the night.

Like i said i don't know much about the subject.

Just for the record, i'm undecided as to whether the allegations are true.

 

[David01]

it will only be a matter of time before the fist picks are shown of a Michael Jackson alive at a gas-station

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Maybe you're right. Maybe he didn't molest those kids. But you have to agree that the whole thing is a bit shady, and you have to at least admit that he should have known better.

Oh and your English is completely fine

I agree with that. But the problem is that we are rational people who dont have psychological problems and he is not. So you see he couldnt have known better. I agree with you but its not about you and me its about Michael Jackson and understanding his actions. And i have to say i understand them. Although, im sure that i wouldnt have understood them if it was my child sleeping with him. But hey as Ainstain said everything is relative.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

The thing I find odd is, you're questioning MJ's behaviour, but you're not even mentioning the role of the parents of those children. They knew about the rumors, and still they let their children spend the night.

Its perfectly logical, the parents knew about the rumours so they allowed their children to go and spend time with MJ. At a certain point they must have tought "Hey, lets let our son/daughter sleep at MJ's house. With all the rumours going after a while we will sew him and try to earn fortune. Being the freak that he is people and justice will definetly be on our side."

You cant (or i guess you could ) what would people do for money bro, including letting your children sleep in the same bed with a grown man.

 

[Dinsdale]

Its perfectly logical, the parents knew about the rumours so they allowed their children to go and spend time with MJ. At a certain point they must have tought "Hey, lets let our son/daughter sleep at MJ's house. With all the rumours going after a while we will sew him and try to earn fortune. Being the freak that he is people and justice will definetly be on our side."

You cant (or i guess you could ) what would people do for money bro, including letting your children sleep in the same bed with a grown man.

I know that's, why I'm condemning those parents in the first place, regardless of what MJ did.

 

[C4ISR]

1 quote stands out for me. In that controversial interview a few years back, when the interviewer was grilling him about how odd it was to share his bed. Michael replied somewhere along the lines of "That's because mentally, you have never been where I have been".

Cognitively, Michael Jackson was very different from the average person. Every aspect of his life available to the public proved this. A non-childhood and an abusive father (emotional and psychological, not just physcial) are to blame.

How do you think he was able to create such brilliant and timeless music? It's the same reason y Howard Hughes was so talented as well.

He was acquitted by a jury who were aware of his past troubles on similar charges. That speaks volumes in my opinion considering public opinion was not in MJ's favour. Not to mention that once the floodgates were open, no other child or parent came forward. If he was a child molester, he certainly abused more than 2 boys.

 

[Martin]

1 quote stands out for me. In that controversial interview a few years back, when the interviewer was grilling him about how odd it was to share his bed. Michael replied somewhere along the lines of "That's because mentally, you have never been where I have been".

Cognitively, Michael Jackson was very different from the average person. Every aspect of his life available to the public proved this. A non-childhood and an abusive father (emotional and psychological, not just physcial) are to blame.

Here is the problem. People always see everything from their own standpoint and it doesn't even enter their mind that someone is saying something from a completely different point of view. They think to themselves "what possible reason could I have to ever share a bed with a child?" and they think "child molester". That doesn't mean that there aren't people who have other motives.