Messi vs C.Ronaldo (18 Viewers)

[Cerval]

In my eyes, Messi is better and it’s not really much of an argument. Ronaldo can score but Messi can do everything. And he would have had two international titles if Higuain wasn’t from Argentina.

Being more complete doesn't make Messi better. Ronaldo is the more decisive and efficient player therefore the best there is

I'd rather have Ronaldo in my team than Messi

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

Being more complete doesn't make Messi better. Ronaldo is the more decisive and efficient player therefore the best there is

I'd rather have Ronaldo in my team than Messi

Van Nistelrooy is more decisive and efficient than Zidane. Does that make him better?

 

[Cerval]

Van Nistelrooy is more decisive and efficient than Zidane. Does that make him better?

Zidane was a midfielder therefore they don't compare. Messi is a wing forward, same as Ronaldo although they have different style

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Zidane was a midfielder therefore they don't compare. Messi is a wing forward, same as Ronaldo although they have different style

They're different types of players. Ronaldo is all about goals these days, like RVN. Messi does a lot more than score goals, yet his goal scoring record is still amazing.

That's not my argument for saying Messi is better, just don't agree with your logic. Being more decisive and efficient doesn't mean you're better.

Anyway, people will always come up with whatever parameters they want to determine what makes who better.

As for who I would prefer on my team: if I had a shit team with shit service, I would take Messi as he would improve the quality of the team on his own. If I had a great team with amazing service, I would pick the killer Ronaldo.

 

[Cerval]

They're different types of players. Ronaldo is all about goals these days, like RVN. Messi does a lot more than score goals, yet his goal scoring record is still amazing.

That's not my argument for saying Messi is better, just don't agree with your logic. Being more decisive and efficient doesn't mean you're better.

Anyway, people will always come up with whatever parameters they want to determine what makes who better.

As for who I would prefer on my team: if I had a shit team with shit service, I would take Messi as he would improve the quality of the team on his own. If I had a great team with amazing service, I would pick the killer Ronaldo.

The funny thing is that I'd have been in agreement with that before. But Ronaldo changed my mind. The best player there is should be measured by the impact he has. If we'd be talking about midfielders, it'd be the same thing, we'd not talk about their stats but their overall impact.

I find that stats are overrated in the sense that a goal against Osasuna shouldn't count as much as a goal against Bayern. That's why being decisive, efficient and having an impact in big games for me makes Ronaldo better. Being more complete and involved with the ball is good, but that's a footnote.

I agree with your last statement.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The funny thing is that I'd have been in agreement with that before. But Ronaldo changed my mind. The best player there is should be measured by the impact he has. If we'd be talking about midfielders, it'd be the same thing, we'd not talk about their stats but their overall impact.

I find that stats are overrated in the sense that a goal against Osasuna shouldn't count as much as a goal against Bayern. That's why being decisive, efficient and having an impact in big games for me makes Ronaldo better. Being more complete and involved with the ball is good, but that's a footnote.

I agree with your last statement.

Goals aren't the only way one can make an impact. Sure, it's the most important thing in football and the easiest way to make comparisons. But there are other ways to have an impact: assisting, opening up defences with dribbles and key passes, earning fouls, creating chances out of nothing (i.e. without service from your teammates), etc. etc. - as well as intangible ways that the stats don't show.

A player like Dele Alli for example has a more tangible impact than Pirlo, but no sane person would say he's better. It's not really easy to measure Pirlo's impact as he wasn't a big assister or goal scorer. Just as it's not easy to say just how much of an impact Messi has apart from his goals and assists, unless you watch him play.

Inzaghi was more decisive than Del Piero. Was he better?

 

[zizinho]

Goals aren't the only way one can make an impact. Sure, it's the most important thing in football and the easiest way to make comparisons. But there are other ways to have an impact: assisting, opening up defences with dribbles and key passes, earning fouls, creating chances out of nothing (i.e. without service from your teammates), etc. etc. - as well as intangible ways that the stats don't show.

A player like Dele Alli for example has a more tangible impact than Pirlo, but no sane person would say he's better. It's not really easy to measure Pirlo's impact as he wasn't a big assister or goal scorer. Just as it's not easy to say just how much of an impact Messi has apart from his goals and assists, unless you watch him play.

Inzaghi was more decisive than Del Piero. Was he better?

was he? i remember Alex being decisive in tons of games for us, but then again, i didnt watch Milan as much, other than their CL games

 

[Cerval]

Goals aren't the only way one can make an impact. Sure, it's the most important thing in football and the easiest way to make comparisons. But there are other ways to have an impact: assisting, opening up defences with dribbles and key passes, earning fouls, creating chances out of nothing (i.e. without service from your teammates), etc. etc. - as well as intangible ways that the stats don't show.

A player like Dele Alli for example has a more tangible impact than Pirlo, but no sane person would say he's better. It's not really easy to measure Pirlo's impact as he wasn't a big assister or goal scorer. Just as it's not easy to say just how much of an impact Messi has apart from his goals and assists, unless you watch him play.

Inzaghi was more decisive than Del Piero. Was he better?

I didn't say goals were the only way to have an impact. Whatever helps your team get passed an opponent is. But that's true that it can be arbitrary and that goals does help a lot.

I'd say Pirlo had a greater impact on his teams than Alli and since they're midfielders stats should be disregarded.

I see your point though, even more so with that Inzaghi and Del Piero comparison, it does make me reconsider a little bit my point of view

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

was he? i remember Alex being decisive in tons of games for us, but then again, i didnt watch Milan as much, other than their CL games

Talking about "big games" yeah. I assume that's Cerval meant, because otherwise Messi has been just as decisive for Barca over the years. Ronaldo more so specifically in the CL and for Portugal.

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I didn't say goals were the only way to have an impact. Whatever helps your team get passed an opponent is. But that's true that it can be arbitrary and that goals does help a lot.

I'd say Pirlo had a greater impact on his teams than Alli and since they're midfielders stats should be disregarded.

I see your point though, even more so with that Inzaghi and Del Piero comparison, it does make me reconsider a little bit my point of view

Wow, don't think I've ever managed to do that here before.

 

[zizinho]

Talking about "big games" yeah. I assume that's Cerval meant, because otherwise Messi has been just as decisive for Barca over the years. Ronaldo more so specifically in the CL and for Portugal.

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Wow, don't think I've ever managed to do that here before.

Real Madrid

not sure i remember so many decisive moments from Inzaghi, even in CL. that final where he scored unintentionally and some Bayern games is the best i can think off at the moment

 

[DutchJuventino]

Last 3 years Cristiano Ronaldo is obviously the best and most impactful player in the world. Before that I wil say Messi, and I do not prefer one of those two. Both are phenomenal!

 

[Nedved96]

so basically, his contribution that game (and the entire CL campaign) was that he got Del Horno sent off. same as Lichtsteiners last season then. but oh wait, Messi hit the crossbar and Licht didnt, if he didnt, they wouldnt have beaten Chelsea

like i said already, as the best players of their teams, its 25 to 25 (Ronaldo has 27 in total, or 26 club trophies only, so you gotta lie about that for some reason as well), and 4>3 in CLs, 1>0 in NT trophies

Messi was a major reason to why Barca had the upper had over a very strong Chelsea team. He ran the show in that game. It's perfectly possible to be the best player on the pitch without a direct goal contribution. Unlike Ronaldo, Messi doesn't need to score a goal to be the best player on the pitch.

Ronaldo was invisible in both the 2014 and 2016 Champions League final. He choked in the 2009 Champions League final too.

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was he? i remember Alex being decisive in tons of games for us, but then again, i didnt watch Milan as much, other than their CL games

Inzaghi won more Champions Leagues than Del Piero. Using your logic, Inzaghi was better than ADP.

Never mind the fact that Ronaldo hasn't actually won more CLs than Messi yet, no matter how much you want to pretend like Messi's 2006 CL medal doesn't exist.

 

[zizinho]

Messi was a major reason to why Barca had the upper had over a very strong Chelsea team. He ran the show in that game. It's perfectly possible to be the best player on the pitch without a direct goal contribution. Unlike Ronaldo, Messi doesn't need to score a goal to be the best player on the pitch.

Ronaldo was invisible in both the 2014 and 2016 Champions League final. He choked in the 2009 Champions League final too.

youre obviously clueless, i just posted the highlights above yet you still spout your nonsense. Messi didnt contribute even 5% to them winning the CL in 2006, it was all Ronaldinho and Etoo. if they didnt have Messi, the end result would have been the same, therefore it doesent matter how many fancy dribbles you conted in those highlight reels

and Messi was invisible in countless CL knockout games, why dont you mention that? you cherry pick 2-3 games out of how many? Ronaldo was the best player on the team in both (or all three) of those campaigns, the team wouldnt have gone as far without him, therefore he has full right to claim those trophies as his

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Inzaghi won more Champions Leagues than Del Piero. Using your logic, Inzaghi was better than ADP.

Never mind the fact that Ronaldo hasn't actually won more CLs than Messi yet, no matter how much you want to pretend like Messi's 2006 CL medal doesn't exist.

no youre not, youre being a moron with lack of comprehension skills. im comparing Ronaldos and Messis trophies when they were the best players on their teams, now if you tell me one time Inzaghi was the best player on a CL winning side, ill admit youre a football genius.

and again, Messi wasnt even more decisive than Henrik Larsson in 2006, let alone Ronaldinho, Etoo, Guily, Deco, Puyol etc. stop being a dam moron

 

[Nedved96]

youre obviously clueless, i just posted the highlights above yet you still spout your nonsense. Messi didnt contribute even 5% to them winning the CL in 2006, it was all Ronaldinho and Etoo. if they didnt have Messi, the end result would have been the same, therefore it doesent matter how many fancy dribbles you conted in those highlight reels

and Messi was invisible in countless CL knockout games, why dont you mention that? you cherry pick 2-3 games out of how many? Ronaldo was the best player on the team in both (or all three) of those campaigns, the team wouldnt have gone as far without him, therefore he has full right to claim those trophies as his

Ronaldo was the best player in 2014?

Schalke - Real would have beat them easily with our without Ronaldo
Dortmund - Ronaldo scores the 3-0 after they are already 2-0 up thanks to Bale and Isco
Bayern - Ronaldo statpadding again, scoring the 3-0 and 4-0 after Ramos already won them the tie
Atletico - Ronaldo invisible. Ramos, Modric and Di Maria won them the game

What a campaign

Ronaldo's 2016 campaign was even less impressive. He had one great game against an 8th place Bundesliga team, and was even more invisible in the final than in 2014.


Messi didn't even score in this game, and I challenge you to find a better performance from Ronaldo over 90 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBEvQKU5t48

 

[zizinho]

Clutching to straws

Classic Nedved69

 

[king Ale]

Biggest frauds in the history of football. Happened to play in the two most powerful teams in the world whose success would financially benefit UEFA hence all the calls going in their favor in the past decade, all dives and shennanigans not only being forgiven but awarded with free kicks and penalty kicks all the time, yet too fragile and poor to even show up when outside the environment that has been babying them for around 10 years now. So sick of both and can't wait for them to either break their legs or just simply fuck off.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I regret opening this thread.

 

[Wittl]

I regret opening this thread.

Why not close it then?

 

[campionesidd]

Say what you will about Messi disappearing in big games, he never makes other people's achievements look his own.

 

[king Ale]

Say what you will about Messi disappearing in big games, he never makes other people's achievements look his own.

That's allegedly why Neymar left Barca