Maurizio Sarri (74 Viewers)

Cerval

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Feb 20, 2016
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We couldn't break shit in the early minutes of the game. I'd understand the fitness argument if we played great until the end of the first half. Plus Udinese plays every three games too. Even when we were tired with Allegri we were winning against minnows unless the scudetto was clinched (In January we play each 3 games almost)

Playing every three games, not fair blabla. Just more excuses
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Stop, this is just getting ridiculous now. Sarri isn't responsible for fitness.

It's a completely unique situation that no one could have predicted. Our squad wasn't built with global pandemic and packed schedule in mind. No one's was. We're literally using all the players we have, which isn't currently very many. Ramsey should be nowhere near the pitch right now, for example, but he is playing because Sarri has to rotate and try to get him fit. Demiral shouldn't be on the bench. Chiellini shouldn't have tried to play. Rabiot shouldn't be playing all these minutes, nor should Ronaldo. De Ligt shouldn't be playing with that shoulder injury. We've got three fit fullbacks for two positions. It's just how it is.

The only thing I blame Sarri for at this point is for not doing what a good Italian coach would do and closing out games. We've lost 7 points from winning positions in recent games, for one reason or another. That's unacceptable. His stubbornness and approach might work great when the going is good, but right now it's a handicap.

So other teams have done better, good for them. It's the same for everyone? Yes. We should all be suffering the same way? Nope. It all depends how individuals react and who the coach can choose from. That's opportunism, not any form of planning at all. All of a sudden a bunch of deadbeat teams are having a great end to the season, and the teams who were running away at the top are floundering like a bunch of idiots, and people are reacting as if all of this was planned or happening in a normal season.

The reason you judge on next season is because that is a fair marker, that is how football is played for the last 30 years - two games per week maximum, normal training, everyone gets to do their work. This is just a mess, it's horrible with or without the results. Why people are analysing things like this is a normal season is beyond me. I get the frustration but it's almost a joke to be talking about things in that way.
That pandemic excuse doesnt fly. First we were just as shit before the break. 2nd, does the break affect all clubs equally? No but those with a massive squad like us definitely have an advantage over those who barely have a decent starting 11. A crisis like this should widen the gap between us and Inter/Lazio or any other Serie A team not lessen it. Juve being this poor despite our squad size and quality is further proof that this guy should be sacked.


I feel as if the players are throwing the games to get him the sack while still winning the scudetto lol
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
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Stop, this is just getting ridiculous now. Sarri isn't responsible for fitness.

It's a completely unique situation that no one could have predicted. Our squad wasn't built with global pandemic and packed schedule in mind. No one's was. We're literally using all the players we have, which isn't currently very many. Ramsey should be nowhere near the pitch right now, for example, but he is playing because Sarri has to rotate and try to get him fit. Demiral shouldn't be on the bench. Chiellini shouldn't have tried to play. Rabiot shouldn't be playing all these minutes, nor should Ronaldo. De Ligt shouldn't be playing with that shoulder injury. We've got three fit fullbacks for two positions. It's just how it is.

The only thing I blame Sarri for at this point is for not doing what a good Italian coach would do and closing out games. We've lost 7 points from winning positions in recent games, for one reason or another. That's unacceptable. His stubbornness and approach might work great when the going is good, but right now it's a handicap.

So other teams have done better, good for them. It's the same for everyone? Yes. We should all be suffering the same way? Nope. It all depends how individuals react and who the coach can choose from. That's opportunism, not any form of planning at all. All of a sudden a bunch of deadbeat teams are having a great end to the season, and the teams who were running away at the top are floundering like a bunch of idiots, and people are reacting as if all of this was planned or happening in a normal season.

The reason you judge on next season is because that is a fair marker, that is how football is played for the last 30 years - two games per week maximum, normal training, everyone gets to do their work. This is just a mess, it's horrible with or without the results. Why people are analysing things like this is a normal season is beyond me. I get the frustration but it's almost a joke to be talking about things in that way.
Sorri bro, but making a team press high up the pitch, all game, while leading 1 0, 2 0, when you have 3 matches in a week is the definition of stupidity.
As you pointed out, a good Italian Seria a coach, Sarri is not, to close the results, so why is he still our coach. A great club coached by an average coach.
We run the risk of dragging us with him, into mediocrity.

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Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Other than rotate the squad what does he do exactly? Diet plan, masseuse, take the squad for jogs over country?
He is the head coach. He is in charge of all the other coaches including the fitness coaches and is in charge of holding the players accountable to follow through with the coaching. Are you trolling?
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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There is more to our fitness than simply what happens on the training ground.

We are playing in the middle of the Italian summer every 3 days in the exact same way we would if we were once a week in Autumn. We absolutely had to adjust our approach and even if it wasn't the current situation we should not be running like headless chickens when leading games. The tactic should be simple, keep the ball and make the opposition do the running, particularly when leading.

Sarri had ample opportunity to rotate the squad, get minutes in the players he is now drafting in and relying on long before now. The games against Lecce, Bologna, Genoa and Torino were perfect opportunities. Managing the squad better also would have helped with suspensions which would again have reduced the reliance on unfit players.

He rarely has used 5 subs regardless of us being ahead in games (although given our 'blackouts' maybe he was on to something here).

It is ridiculous that the largest, most expensive squad and one of the highest paid management teams in Italy cannot cope with playing in the current situation when Milan, Atalanta and Sassuolo can.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Other than rotate the squad what does he do exactly? Diet plan, masseuse, take the squad for jogs over country?
Doesnt every manager have assistants, which he brought with him, who handle fitness?

Either way we have far bigger squad than the likes of Sassuolo or Udinese, far better players, so the fitness issue for those lost points shouldnt be an excuse. And it has been a pattern this season, since its very start, take a lead, players switch off mentally and then we concede. This isnt happening all of a sudden.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Other than rotate the squad what does he do exactly? Diet plan, masseuse, take the squad for jogs over country?
Ah, so he just draws x and os on the board and chews butts? His coaching stuff just sits there doing exactly nothing.
Come on, man. Fucking Pioli uses the same 13-14 players, I guess he masseuses each and every one of them and jogs over the country lol. Same for De Zerbi, and Gasp, and Gotti.
Can we borrow Gotti for a masseuses session?
 

rainhard

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May 5, 2004
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Sorri bro, but making a team press high up the pitch while leading 1 0, 2 0, when you have 3 matches in a week is the definition of stupidity.
As you pointed out, a good Italian Seria a coach, Sarri is not, to close the results, so why is he still our coach. A great club coached by an average coach.
We run the risk of dragging us with him, into mediocrity.

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What we do exactly opposite of that, if we really do that we will ended up winning the game. This scudetto if our players really want it, they will run their ass so fast. They dont feel the fatigue if they really want it

Just watch Atalanta vs Milan, maybe you can see what team that really wants scudetto looks like

We already win scudetto too much, the players take it for granted. The only way to clinch it is to win against Sampdoria, before it is to late and it is becoming hard for us to win it

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Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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Ah, so he just draws x and os on the board and chews butts? His coaching stuff just sits there doing exactly nothing.
Come on, man. Fucking Pioli uses the same 13-14 players, I guess he masseuses each and every one of them and jogs over the country lol. Same for De Zerbi, and Gasp, and Gotti.
Can we borrow Gotti for a masseuses session?
I wish we could resurrect this Gotti and make him have a word with Sarri...

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Oct 23, 2011
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In that case would you play Zanimacchia, Vrioni, Coccolo etc in a scudetto run-in? Inzaghi has had to do it.

14-15 players every 3.5 days simply doesn't work, you're right. It's physically impossible even with a young and fresh squad, and the reason why it looks worse with each passing week should be clear. It looked better against Lazio simply because they are in worse shape than us. It's a sad end to the season in football terms. But hey, grande Pioli, Gasp etc for taking advantage of it.
Agreed. We are an aging and injury-prone squad. Add to that that some of our players tend to get suspended and we quickly go from a 23-player squad to a 14-15 player squad. This is what he has to work with, but so did Allegri prior to him. I'd like to see him manage a game better than he has. If we are exhausted, make tactical changes so that we don't leave an ocean of space between the lines. Drop back, preserve energy and it's easy to hit a mediocre team like Udinese on the counter with players such as Costa, Dybala, and Ronaldo up front. Know when to press and when to sit back a little bit. However, this only really applies to our drop in performance in second halves and is not an excuse for our mediocre performance in the first half.
 

kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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What we do exactly opposite of that, if we really do that we will ended up winning the game. This scudetto if our players really want it, they will run their ass so fast. They dont feel the fatigue if they really want it

Just watch Atalanta vs Milan, maybe you can see what team that really wants scudetto looks like

We already win scudetto too much, the players take it for granted. The only way to clinch it is to win against Sampdoria, before it is to late and it is becoming hard for us to win it

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This isn't FIFA. We have players of certain profiles. We don't have a team of bentancours all over the pitch. A smart coach would defend at 1 0 nil while keeping possession and tiring the opponents(we play 3 matches in a week, 3rd or 4th week in a row) , and try to pounce on the counter. We have a fresh Costa and cuadrado to make it work.
But our genius coach knows better. His squad management and tactical awerness is zero.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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That pandemic excuse doesnt fly. First we were just as shit before the break. 2nd, does the break affect all clubs equally? No but those with a massive squad like us definitely have an advantage over those who barely have a decent starting 11. A crisis like this should widen the gap between us and Inter/Lazio or any other Serie A team not lessen it. Juve being this poor despite our squad size and quality is further proof that this guy should be sacked.


I feel as if the players are throwing the games to get him the sack while still winning the scudetto lol
Performances are one thing, but this meltdown is about results. Personally I didn't expect good performances this season, there are not the right conditions, right players. So many technical issues.

Still, before the lockdown from 26 rounds we had won 20 games, lost 3, conceded 26, 63 points. We're down on almost everything since the restart, aside from goals scored. I haven't looked across the board but I'd imagine goals scored have gone up across the league because the games are more open and players are dead.

Again, the squad size available isn't big right now. There's no point in including so many players who are injured, or even half fit.

Quite clearly we should be doing better, I'm not going to argue that. But the problem is today you have a bunch of fans tuning in to see a scudetto clincher and instead we got punked by a relegation battler, so people are even more annoyed than usual.
 
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.zero

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Performances are one thing, but this meltdown is about results. Personally I didn't expect good performances this season, there are not the right conditions, right players. So many technical issues.

Still, before the lockdown from 26 rounds we had won 20 games, lost 3, conceded 26, 63 points. We're down on almost everything since the restart, aside from goals scored. I haven't looked across the board but I'd image goals scored have gone up across the league because the games are more open and players are dead.

Again, the squad size available isn't big right now. There's no point in including so many players who are injured, or even half fit.

Quite clearly we should be doing better, I'm not going to argue that. But the problem is today you have a bunch of fans tuning in to see a scudetto clincher and instead we got punked by a relegation battler, so people are even more annoyed than usual.
Not sure what your point is though. Wondering if you could clarify

Are you of the mind that the coach isn't responsible? And that the blame should be allocated to Agnelli, the fitness staff, and the players?
 

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