Maurizio Sarri (110 Viewers)

[Boksic]

In his first season, Sarri brought in Elseid Hysaj, Pepe Reina, and Allan. The trio would go on to be first-team stalwarts for the following campaign, as Napoli finished runners-up to Juventus. Sarri extended his stay at the club until 2020 on 27 May 2016. Two months later Juventus would manage to sign Gonzalo Higuaín from Napoli for €90 million in the summer, who had managed to equal the record for most goals scored in a singular Serie A season, with 36.

However, Sarri vetoed the possibility of spending the money on a like-for-like replacement, instead, spending sparingly on weaker positions in the side to improve on depth, while tinkering with his squad to compensate for the loss of Higuaín. This was achieved through the positional change of Dries Mertens, originally a wide-forward, who was played more centrally the following season.This worked to great effect, as the Belgian netted 28 goals as the club finished 3rd in 2017, while Sarri was voted the league's coach of the year, and received the Enzo Bearzot Award.

If his system work, he can do thinks like that, turning Dries Mertens becoming prolific striker
And that time what our management does? We sold Pogba, our key player in midfield and bought Higuain that excel with his system
and until now we are begging for team to take Higuain from us with no result

I wonder if Allegri can make player like Mertens scoring 28 goals, but for an undeniable facts Allegri can make world class player like Dybala only have 5 goals and 2 assist in a whole serie A season.

Who cares if a manager can change a player's position with success. What did Napoli win with Mertens as a CF?

For what it is worth Allegri coached Dybala for 4 seasons. His goal/assist rate in Serie A was 19/7, 11/7, 22/5 in his other seasons. Under Sarri, Dybala has 11/11, worse than 2 of Allegri's years and barely better than the other 2. He had a bad final season with Allegri but Dybala played far deeper as we struggled to find the balance of the team with Ronaldo (something Sarri hasn't managed either - see our performances, goals scored/goals conceded record this season). It also sounded like Dybala may have had some personal issues in that final Allegri last season.

Regardless, I far prefer a coach who can instil a winning mentality and ability to see out games which is what Allegri did and Sarri does not seem able to do.

 

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[s4tch]

...His goal/assist rate in Serie A was 19/7, 11/7, 22/5 in his other seasons. Under Sarri, Dybala has 11/11....

did you get the data from transfermarkt? they are listing the earned penalties as assists.

on whoscored, these are dybala's numbers (g/a):
- 2015/16: 19/9
- 2016/17: 11/7
- 2017/18: 22/5
- 2018/19: 5/4
- 2019/20: 11/6

this was his 2nd worst season if you only consider his goals and assists.

 

[Post Ironic]

In his first season, Sarri brought in Elseid Hysaj, Pepe Reina, and Allan. The trio would go on to be first-team stalwarts for the following campaign, as Napoli finished runners-up to Juventus. Sarri extended his stay at the club until 2020 on 27 May 2016. Two months later Juventus would manage to sign Gonzalo Higuaín from Napoli for €90 million in the summer, who had managed to equal the record for most goals scored in a singular Serie A season, with 36.

However, Sarri vetoed the possibility of spending the money on a like-for-like replacement, instead, spending sparingly on weaker positions in the side to improve on depth, while tinkering with his squad to compensate for the loss of Higuaín. This was achieved through the positional change of Dries Mertens, originally a wide-forward, who was played more centrally the following season.This worked to great effect, as the Belgian netted 28 goals as the club finished 3rd in 2017, while Sarri was voted the league's coach of the year, and received the Enzo Bearzot Award.

If his system work, he can do thinks like that, turning Dries Mertens becoming prolific striker
And that time what our management does? We sold Pogba, our key player in midfield and bought Higuain that excel with his system
and until now we are begging for team to take Higuain from us with no result

I wonder if Allegri can make player like Mertens scoring 28 goals, but for an undeniable facts Allegri can make world class player like Dybala only have 5 goals and 2 assist in a whole serie A season.

Mental illness.

 

[rainhard]

For someone can instill winning mentality and ability to see out games, get burned twice in UCL final is a really bad humiliation, everyone already know that we will lose in that final

And his style of play, while it winning us Serie A not really give significant boost value for our players as we are BORING
The only player that we sold for high value is Pogba, that is because he perform and he win the world cup
and compare that to Sarri, he take Higuain unneeded striker in RM for around 30m, put him as #9 getting 36 goals boom 90 mil

Sarri given team that are ageing near the end of cycle, get blown by 2 massive injury in CB leave him with only 2 CB almost whole season
He only have 3 wingbacks for both side, while he take Cuad to RWB, that leave him with only 3 players for wingers. CR7 without backup, Costa that we dont know when he will break, and Berna a player that only running without significant output

I will say yes for top coach, but back to Allegri will getting us nowhere

 

[campionesidd]

Juventus is not Napoli. He failed @ Chelsea. He is not a coach capable of taking the reins @ a big club and achieving results. He's like Ranieri, but lacking class and a nice guy image.

Sarri is a good coach. But he has a problem- He needs time and players to develop his team and his play style and maybe one season without any expectations to win titles.
At Chelsea and Juve, clubs whose fans are obsessed with winning, you're expected to win from day one. There are no 'off seasons'.
Sarri would be an excellent coach for Roma, Fiorentina or Torino.

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For someone can instill winning mentality and ability to see out games, get burned twice in UCL final is a really bad humiliation, everyone already know that we will lose in that final

And his style of play, while it winning us Serie A not really give significant boost value for our players as we are BORING
The only player that we sold for high value is Pogba, that is because he perform and he win the world cup
and compare that to Sarri, he take Higuain unneeded striker in RM for around 30m, put him as #9 getting 36 goals boom 90 mil

Sarri given team that are ageing near the end of cycle, get blown by 2 massive injury in CB leave him with only 2 CB almost whole season
He only have 3 wingbacks for both side, while he take Cuad to RWB, that leave him with only 3 players for wingers. CR7 without backup, Costa that we dont know when he will break, and Berna a player that only running without significant output

I will say yes for top coach, but back to Allegri will getting us nowhere

Juve under Allegri was far from boring for the first 4 years.

 

[Bianconero81]

Sarri is a good coach. But he has a problem- He needs time and players to develop his team and his play style and maybe one season without any expectations to win titles.
At Chelsea and Juve, clubs whose fans are obsessed with winning, you're expected to win from day one. There are no 'off seasons'.
Sarri would be an excellent coach for Roma, Fiorentina or Torino.

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Juve under Allegri was far from boring for the first 4 years.

That's why I said he's like Ranieri, without the class and nice guy persona.

 

[il brutto]

The excuses people make only highlight all the problems with Sarri. "Sarri needs time to instil his football", "Sarri needs the right players for his football", "the packed schedule didn't fit Sarri's football" and so on. When a coach can only work in the ideal conditions you have a problem. Solving problems like those mentioned above is a big part of a coaches job.

 

[Boksic]

For someone can instill winning mentality and ability to see out games, get burned twice in UCL final is a really bad humiliation, everyone already know that we will lose in that final

And his style of play, while it winning us Serie A not really give significant boost value for our players as we are BORING
The only player that we sold for high value is Pogba, that is because he perform and he win the world cup
and compare that to Sarri, he take Higuain unneeded striker in RM for around 30m, put him as #9 getting 36 goals boom 90 mil

Sarri given team that are ageing near the end of cycle, get blown by 2 massive injury in CB leave him with only 2 CB almost whole season
He only have 3 wingbacks for both side, while he take Cuad to RWB, that leave him with only 3 players for wingers. CR7 without backup, Costa that we dont know when he will break, and Berna a player that only running without significant output

I will say yes for top coach, but back to Allegri will getting us nowhere

Wow that is clutching at straws. You need to make it to finals to lose them. We had no right to get there.

We lost to an incredible Barca team (some people say one if the best) and a Real team I think was even better. We won almost everything else. How about Sarri?

Allegri had plenty of squad issues. Look at the bench he had in that final v Real which you used to undermine him.

The difference is more often than not Allegri was smart enough to build a formation or a style to fit the players. Not shoehorn the players into a style.

It seems you are set in your views on Sarri and Allegri and frankly they are so different to mine that there is no point in either of us wasting our time discussing them.

I'm happy to agree to disagree and have our fingers crossed for Friday, I suspect we will need to!

 

[rainhard]

He took Higuain for that record 36 goals in his first season with Napoli
So , I think that goes down to player character and how the player absorb what he want from them

Yeah, what he can solve limited to what resources that he have
When we lack the RB, he put Cuad in RB and Cuad are one of the best RB this season
I dont really know what happen for Berna, in my opinion our play dominantly goes through CR7 on the other side so both CR7 and Dybala who take the chance and getting more result. But if that is the case , Berna at least can get significant amount of assist if he provide to Dybala/ CR7
Rabiot took time to settle but now improving, while Ramsey look promising at first but lost in recent games

And after Milan game + Arthur - Pjanic swap announcement. I think there are something wrong in the dressing room
Maybe because there will be overhaul for next season give concern to the players
Or Sarri lost his influence of the dressing room and management lost confidence in him
If this is the case, there are no chance we will be bounce back

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Wow that is clutching at straws. You need to make it to finals to lose them. We had no right to get there.

We lost to an incredible Barca team (some people say one if the best) and a Real team I think was even better. We won almost everything else. How about Sarri?

Allegri had plenty of squad issues. Look at the bench he had in that final v Real which you used to undermine him.

The difference is more often than not Allegri was smart enough to build a formation or a style to fit the players. Not shoehorn the players into a style.

It seems you are set in your views on Sarri and Allegri and frankly they are so different to mine that there is no point in either of us wasting our time discussing them.

I'm happy to agree to disagree and have our fingers crossed for Friday, I suspect we will need to!

At least he goes undefeated in Europa League and win in the final 4-1 against Arsenal

I just like a deja vu for Sarri, in his Chelsea days
He lost in community shield, same we lost in Super Coppa
He lost in Carabao cup, after penalty (the Kepa incident), same we lost in coppa too this year after penalty
He get 4th place ( UCL spot), I think that the best with that Chelsea squad. He win Serie A with us that is the best he can get with us

 

[Post Ironic]

Comparing Europa League, in which he faced powerhouses like Malmo, Slavia Prague, Dynamo Kiev, and Eintracht on the way to final and an abysmal Arsenal in the final, to CL in which Allegri faced all-time great Madrid and Barca sides.

 

[il brutto]

Comparing Europa League, in which he faced powerhouses like Malmo, Slavia Prague, Dynamo Kiev, and Eintracht on the way to final and an abysmal Arsenal in the final, to CL in which Allegri faced all-time great Madrid and Barca sides.

Different level of managers so I think it's only natural to have different standards as well.

 

[rainhard]

Comparing Europa League, in which he faced powerhouses like Malmo, Slavia Prague, Dynamo Kiev, and Eintracht on the way to final and an abysmal Arsenal in the final, to CL in which Allegri faced all-time great Madrid and Barca sides.

So what? That is his luck
Probably in current condition, he get lucky go through to the final and get Atalanta in the final

 

[Post Ironic]

So what? That is his luck
Probably in current condition, he get lucky go through to the final and get Atalanta in the final

Are you really this much of a muppet? Europa League is a tinpot competition with a bunch of mediocre teams that rarely take it seriously. It’s not a measuring stick for success at all.

I guess Unai Emery is a GOAT level manager because he won it 3 times. We should have probably hired him.

 

[Bianconero81]

He took Higuain for that record 36 goals in his first season with Napoli
So , I think that goes down to player character and how the player absorb what he want from them

Yeah, what he can solve limited to what resources that he have
When we lack the RB, he put Cuad in RB and Cuad are one of the best RB this season
I dont really know what happen for Berna, in my opinion our play dominantly goes through CR7 on the other side so both CR7 and Dybala who take the chance and getting more result. But if that is the case , Berna at least can get significant amount of assist if he provide to Dybala/ CR7
Rabiot took time to settle but now improving, while Ramsey look promising at first but lost in recent games

And after Milan game + Arthur - Pjanic swap announcement. I think there are something wrong in the dressing room
Maybe because there will be overhaul for next season give concern to the players
Or Sarri lost his influence of the dressing room and management lost confidence in him
If this is the case, there are no chance we will be bounce back

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At least he goes undefeated in Europa League and win in the final 4-1 against Arsenal

I just like a deja vu for Sarri, in his Chelsea days
He lost in community shield, same we lost in Super Coppa
He lost in Carabao cup, after penalty (the Kepa incident), same we lost in coppa too this year after penalty
He get 4th place ( UCL spot), I think that the best with that Chelsea squad. He win Serie A with us that is the best he can get with us

TL;DR

Rainhard Bruh, you should consider changing your name to Failhard

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Are you really this much of a muppet? Europa League is a tinpot competition with a bunch of mediocre teams that rarely take it seriously. It’s not a measuring stick for success at all.

I guess Unai Emery is a GOAT level manager because he won it 3 times. We should have probably hired him.

Don't be harsh on him. He forgot to eat his veggies today. I'm going to send him some kale and broccoli as a peace offering.

 

[DAiDEViL]

did you get the data from transfermarkt? they are listing the earned penalties as assists.

on whoscored, these are dybala's numbers (g/a):
- 2015/16: 19/9
- 2016/17: 11/7
- 2017/18: 22/5
- 2018/19: 5/4
- 2019/20: 11/6

this was his 2nd worst season if you only consider his goals and assists.

*Lalalalalalalalala* not listening.

Finally we get the best out of Dybala.

 

[X Æ A-12]

The excuses people make only highlight all the problems with Sarri. "Sarri needs time to instil his football", "Sarri needs the right players for his football", "the packed schedule didn't fit Sarri's football" and so on. When a coach can only work in the ideal conditions you have a problem. Solving problems like those mentioned above is a big part of a coaches job.

Right? A top tier coach is supposed to solve problems not create a massive list of them.

 

[il brutto]

Right? A top tier coach is supposed to solve problems not create a massive list of them.

I've certainly always assumed so.

 

[Snobist]

The excuses people make only highlight all the problems with Sarri. "Sarri needs time to instil his football", "Sarri needs the right players for his football", "the packed schedule didn't fit Sarri's football" and so on. When a coach can only work in the ideal conditions you have a problem. Solving problems like those mentioned above is a big part of a coaches job.

Hater. Sarri won, and he can no longer considered a loser. Bye

 

[il brutto]

Hater. Sarri won, and he can no longer considered a loser. Bye

Great info, but what has any of that got to do with my post?

 

[Snobist]

Great info, but what has any of that got to do with my post?

Nothing. What was ur post about this thread is the most toxic and yet the most entertaining one.