Maurizio Sarri (69 Viewers)

Karim30

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After five years of glory under Max Allegri, Juventus have a new coach and people don’t seem to like him much.
Maurizio Sarri’s relationship with Juventini isn’t friendly, his words in interviews as Juve coach are not always well chosen and more importantly, his results aren’t perfect, nor the performances as good as they could be. Perhaps that justifies a lack of interest from some Juventini, but is it possible to find a different point of view in which a person with such characteristics is not ‘hated’, and the directors who hired him don’t look back with regret?

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A. THE PLAN

Juventus cut ways with Max Allegri and looked to find a new ‘mister’, but it wasn’t just a matter of a changing the coach; Juventus were after a change more extensive than just a manager. The generation of players that was founded by Conte in 2011, and strengthened by Allegri after three years through a subsequent series of changes, was coming to an end. The core of that squad had hung up their boots or were close to ending their careers. Barzagli, Marchisio and Lichtsteiner were gone, and there was not much fuel left in Chiellini, Buffon and Bonucci, so Juventus didn’t just have to choose a coach, Juventus had to define their strategy for the future.
Agnelli’s project is clear and its well known that he is trying to expand the Juventus brand and perhaps the most obvious thing in this regard is the evolution in the club’s logo, but off-field activities are not enough for this purpose. Juventus need to attract new fans (‘customers’) to maximize the brand growth, and to increase their popularity among the Millennials. Juve have to play another brand of football: proactive and attacking; there were not many coaches who could have provided that, and without a doubt the best one at the time was Pep Guardiola, but he was under contract with Manchester City and could not be recruited. So there are two paths ahead, one is to postpone the big change and to hire a coach with the same current defensive style until Pep Guardiola is available; Another way is to move on to another coach with the same [attacking] style.​
The first plan had one major drawback: if they waited until Guardiola ended his time at City, there wouldn’t be many players from the current generation of Juventus left and changing everything (squad, coach and the playing style) at once was a huge gamble. There are many examples of it, but Manchester United is the most obvious one. The departure of Fergusson coincided with the departure of legends such as Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand and essential players such as Vidic and Evra, forcing United to start all over. Starting a new era when Buffon, Chiellini and Bonucci (even Khedira and Dybala) are still at Juventus lowers the risk of this huge change; so it was time.

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Juventus’ Italian coach Maurizio Sarri speaks during a press conference on October 21, 2019 in Turin, on the eve of Juventus’ UEFA Champions League stage Group D match against Lokomotiv Moscow. (Photo by Marco Bertorello / AFP) (Photo by MARCO BERTORELLO/AFP via Getty Images)

B. SARRI … OF ALL PEOPLE
Apart from the Pep, who had a contract with Manchester City, Maurizio Sarri, Mauricio Pochettino and Simone Inzaghi were Juventus’ options. Although Inzaghi had shown everyone that he is a skilled coach, he was still highly inexperienced at the highest level and could not yet be trusted to lay the foundation for Juventus’ next 7-8 year structure.
The other two had an almost similar record. Unexpectedly great performances in the not-so-big teams (Napoli & Tottenham), after a good performance in the lower midtable teams such as Empoli & Southampton. On the one hand Sarri had an, albeit brief, history of working in a famous team with international fans and high expectations, namely Chelsea, and on the other hand, Pochettino was young and better able to communicate with the players, which is important in its own regard.
The two records were almost identical to each other, but Sarri was both familiar with Italian football, and his football philosophy was more like the type of football that Agnelli wanted, which eventually gave him an advantage over Pochettino.
Sarri’s trophy cabinet isn’t big, but he’d achieved good results wherever he worked. In Empoli, he not only kept a newly promoted side in the league with a decent mid-table finish, but also built a system that played one of the most beautiful and impressive styles of football in Italy, something that remained after he left.​
At Napoli, he took over from Benitez, who had finished in the 5th place, and in time, his Partenopei side was one of the most attractive sides in Europe; it was simply mesmerizing. He inherited a crooked and lopsided team from Benitez, improved it over three years and at its absolute peak, handed it over to the next coach, Carlo Ancelotti. He never won a trophy there, but perhaps the main reason for that was the investment that Juventus were able to make in their own team, dominating Italy in the process.

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COBHAM, ENGLAND – MAY 08: Maurizio Sarri, Manager of Chelsea walks out to the Chelsea Training Session on the eve of their UEFA Europa League semi final against Eintracht Frankfurt at Chelsea Training Ground on May 08, 2019 in Cobham, England. (Photo by Harriet Lander/Getty Images)
At Chelsea, Sarri finished 3rd in the Premier League in a season where Liverpool and Manchester City were way more powerful and competing with them was frankly impossible. He also reached the final of one of the domestic cups, however he was defefated in the penalty shootouts by City, but made it to the Europa League and lifted his first trophy.
The results were beyond the expectations of Chelsea’s managers and fans, as it was Chelsea’s goal to be in the top four and win a place in the Champions League. He left the Londoners after only one year, but during that short time, he made Chelsea perform better than the previous year, however, they were not stable and complete, and it’s worth noting that Abramovic hired Sarri not for immediate success but for building a generation and a semi-long term project.​
In conclusion, Sarri’s gameplay is exactly what Juventus want, his results in his former teams have been good enough and he is also capabale of developing players; On the other hand, Sarri’s biggest weakness is his lack of charisma and hius inability to motivate the players; two important factors for the coaches of this era. To solve this issue, Juventus brought back Gigi Buffon, a veteran who could give Sarri a hand in keeping the dressing room in control and give players motivation, as he did previously for Allegri when Juventus suffered their worst start of the season in 2015/16 campaign.
C. ROME WASN’T BUILT IN ONE DAY
So far at Juve, as stated at the beginning, the results have not been the best, and the style of play isn’t entirely satisfying.
In Serie A, Juve are on the top of the table, and although the competition is still alive, Juve look close to winning the title. In the Champions League, except for small slip against Lyon which can be potentially be solved in the second leg, the results were satisfactory as Juve topped their group, beating Locomotiv and Bayer Leverkusen twice, and getting 4 points from Atletico Madrid. In the Coppa Italia, Juve lost in penalty shootouts in the final. Overall, the results could have been better. Still they’re fine for now and let’s not forget that this is the first season of Sarri at Juventus – a first season that isn’t a normal one with all the changes that have taken place. In spite of that, Sarri has managed to grab more points than every recent Juventus manager so far in the league.
In terms of performance and gameplay, almost every fan expected Sarri to make a revolution and change everything about Juve’s football identity, almost immediately, but that wasn’t what Sarri had in mind. There is no key to quickly switch from defensive football to attacking football; for this transition, a process had to take place. Waiting is bitter, but Juventus and Sarri couldn’t rush into it. He has implemented his changes slowly. The changes were applied one by one, so they weren’t noticeable but compared to the gameplay with the season prior to his arrival, many important tactical aspects of the Juve’s football has changed. Strict statistical analysis is lengthy, and this article is not about analyzing statistical indicators, but a qualitative summary of these changes can be studied.

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Juventus FC’s Simone Muratore (C) celebrates his goal with teammates during a friendly football match between Team K League and Juventus FC in Seoul on July 26, 2019. – Juventus tied 3-3 in a friendly with K League All-Star team in Seoul on July 26, with its players apparently fatigued from a tight schedule that had landed them in South Korea just hours before playing. (Photo by Jung Yeon-je / AFP) (Photo credit should read JUNG YEON-JE/AFP via Getty Images)
Juventus’ overall style has changed a lot. Under Sarri, Juventus no longer defend with nine men during the whole game, even against weaker teams. Regarding the domination of the game a pattern of improvement can be seen in as we go further through the season. The playmaking style is no longer dependent on crosses or counter-attacks, but now deep-lying playmaking and build-up plays leads to most of Juventus’ goals. Although, as mentioned, the team still has unavoidable problems that mainly come from unbalanced and unsuitable midfielders. It seems that Miralem Pjanic can’t play his new role efficiently. He has had problems with the speed of his ball distribution in many games. Also, there is a distinct lack of a creative attacking midfielder’s effect. Sarri may have had solved a part of it by improving Bentancur, who has provided 6 assists so far in Serie A, more than any other Juventus players and many high profile midfielders. Although it wasn’t helpful against teams that play closed football and ‘park the bus’. In these kinds of matches the lack of having a player who can spray the passes to the path of attackers to make scoring chances can be sensed.
There has been a significant change in the style of defence too. Instead of a classic defence, Juventus are now defending higher. Although a few shortcomings early in the season threatened the team by creating some dangerous situations. Recently there have been several games in which the team has mastered their new style and are doing well without defending so deep. The type of press is changed too; now in this new method as soon as the ball is lost, the players enter the defensive phase to regain the ball.​
Sarri has also done very well in bringing the best out of Ronaldo and Dybala. Last season, Ronaldo had scored 21 goals in 31 games, before that his record was 26 goals in 27 games and 25 goals in 29 games. This season the 35 year old has scored 28 goals in 32 games so far, and he can easily top his best record in the last three seasons, despite being a few years older.
Paulo Dybala, the other difference maker in the Bianconeri’s attacking line was dusted entirely during the last season, but this term, he has scored 14 goals and provided 9 assists in all competitions. Of course, the players themselves are the ones to get the main credit, but the effect of Sarri’s [still imperfect] system gave them more freedom and based the attacks entirely on them – That has benefited them, and it can’t be ignored.
D. WE DON’T SUFFER ANYMORE, AGNELLI TAKES THE DECISIONS
Andrea Agnelli could have brought in a defensive coach, easily winning a scudetto or two with this group of players, and we wouldn’t have had the ‘problems’ we experienced this season, but he was more ambitious than that; Juventus are aiming for the very top and will definitely reach it, sooner rather than later, with Sarri or without him.
And yet, Sarri is nearly ideal for this phase of Juventus’ journey: he’s getting results and in the meantime creating a whole new football style and identity. The tragedy is that fans won’t remember developments or changes; they’ll remember silverware. Sarri has the opportunity to write his chapter in Juventus history, but if he fails, he will be referred to as that stubborn, classless old loser with zero trophies, sandwiched between glorious managers, but it’s his problem to solve.

 

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JuveJay

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Interesting read, although it has more optimism than I have. From day 1 I've been more intrigued if such an ideal is even possible at Juventus. Right now you'd say definitely not, but you really won't find out by firing this guy after 1 season. Might as well have gone with the standard Juve safer route.
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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Interesting read, although it has more optimism than I have. From day 1 I've been more intrigued if such an ideal is even possible at Juventus. Right now you'd say definitely not, but you really won't find out by firing this guy after 1 season. Might as well have gone with the standard Juve safer route.
Which is the article claims Agnelli is trying to avoid: trying to build is world wide brand won't happen with a standard "Juve" safer route.

Gotta try something new & fresh, Sarri was basically the only one available that demonstrated anything at a decent sized club. Keeping Allegri with the clear decline until Pep or Klopp was available wasn't an option I guess.
 

Karim30

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May 6, 2012
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Yeah next season should be the real test and measuring stick for him and also for Paratici who must give Sarri the tools he need in the midfield and fullback positions, and by then better options could be available if we decide to not renew Sarri's contract (we have an option for a third year).
In this particular order I would look at Klopp, Zidane and Guardiola while following Pirlo's progress with our U23 team
 

JuveJay

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Which is the article claims Agnelli is trying to avoid: trying to build is world wide brand won't happen with a standard "Juve" safer route.

Gotta try something new & fresh, Sarri was basically the only one available that demonstrated anything at a decent sized club. Keeping Allegri with the clear decline until Pep or Klopp was available wasn't an option I guess.
I can't see Pep or Klopp ever being available to us, and I think it's partly due to us being victims of our own success. The only selling point we have in our weaker domestic league that we have completed dominated is the possibility of being the coach to win the CL after the long barren spell. I can't think of any other reason why a very high-profile coach would come, if you presume that they have the choice of another top-6 elite Euro club.

I also think Pep and Klopp are much better fits in their current roles. Liverpool in particular is perfectly set up for someone with Klopp's charisma and people skills. In the corporate and sterile environment of Juventus not so much. Sarri is happy to be here because of his lowly background, and for Italians there is no better job. Unfortunately I don't see a huge amount of stellar alternatives. Maybe Poch or Zidane. I think Zidane will surely coach us one day, but if it's in the next two years I'm not so sure.

Perhaps Agnelli will pull Pep out of the bag one day, nothing surprises me in modern football. Perhaps Sarri is putting in the shitty groundwork for a cultural revolution at Juventus, and some day will be more appreciated for it. It's a nice idea, but right now looks like a bit of a fairytale.
 

LiquidPLP

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That was quite a good read. It's obvious why Sarri was brought in, the problem is, that kind of change cannot happen overnight. Knowing Juve's style it's safe to say the choice is revolutionary and counter-intuitive to what Juve actually is. The choice was made though, that's why I don't believe Sarri will be sacked. The scudetto is pretty much in the bag, that will give him another year here. It will give also the management another transfer window to shuffle the squad to make it younger but also to align to Sarri's philosophy. You have to do that. Sarri is a system coach, just like Gasperini, Klopp and Guardiola. They aren't too adaptive, it has to be the other way around.

My guess is Sarri is only a transition/preparation for Guardiola's stint here. I'm pretty sure Agnelli tried to get him and will try once again in a year when his contract expires. He could enter the club and find a squad much more suitable to his needs, which should make things easier. If he doesn't come, Sarri might continue but his second year will have to be better than this one.
 

Boksic

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May 11, 2005
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For someone like Pep or Klopp I could be persuaded to accept going backwards for a season with the expectation that we would build something better.

I just don't have the faith that Sarri will ever produce what we need him to be. Nor has he shown anything to think otherwise. He has not earned the right for such trust.
 

LiquidPLP

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For someone like Pep or Klopp I could be persuaded to accept going backwards for a season with the expectation that we would build something better.

I just don't have the faith that Sarri will ever produce what we need him to be. Nor has he shown anything to think otherwise. He has not earned the right for such trust.
His Napoli and Chelsea stints suggest otherwise.

Kovacic would be a starter in our midfield. Napoli's Zieliński would be an undisputed starter here as well. Fucking Ross Barkley looks more complete than Matuidi/Rabiot/Ramsey who can't seem to establish themselves here, in this shit midfield.

It sucks to hear that but we need a bit more patience and a mercato that is solving actual issues for Sarri. Otherwise he'll be fired and the club will be in the middle of a failed revolution, again starting from zero.
 

Boksic

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His Napoli and Chelsea stints suggest otherwise.

Kovacic would be a starter in our midfield. Napoli's Zieliński would be an undisputed starter here as well. Fucking Ross Barkley looks more complete than Matuidi/Rabiot/Ramsey who can't seem to establish themselves here, in this shit midfield.

It sucks to hear that but we need a bit more patience and a mercato that is solving actual issues for Sarri. Otherwise he'll be fired and the club will be in the middle of a failed revolution, again starting from zero.
His Chelsea stint was a failure (yes I know EL and scraped CL by a point). The fans wanted him out and it was widely known Lampard was going to take over from him. If it was a success that wouldn't have happened.

Napoli no doubt whatsoever was a tremendous success and a fantastic achievement. But he wouldn't be the first coach to fly with a provincial side and not be able to step up.

Neither stint has convinced me that he should be given the luxury of more time. If anything I think we should part ways now to avoid going down a road which won't work.

And Ross Barclay more complete than our midfielders? Not a chance.
 

LiquidPLP

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His Chelsea stint was a failure (yes I know EL and scraped CL by a point). The fans wanted him out and it was widely known Lampard was going to take over from him. If it was a success that wouldn't have happened.

Napoli no doubt whatsoever was a tremendous success and a fantastic achievement. But he wouldn't be the first coach to fly with a provincial side and not be able to step up.

Neither stint has convinced me that he should be given the luxury of more time. If anything I think we should part ways now to avoid going down a road which won't work.

And Ross Barclay more complete than our midfielders? Not a chance.
Wait, since when does the herd's opinion matter? You will always see fans complaining, happened to possibly every manager in the history. Fans are moody and tend to pick out arguments to their agenda, based on their likings or whatever.

Chelsea's target was top4 after a disaster season they had with Conte. They finished 3rd, just behind City and Liverpool who were out of reach. How's that a failure?
Chelsea qualified only for EL. They won it comfortably and convincingly, trashing Aresnal in the final. How's that a failure?
Sure, there were bumps on the road but they recovered and finished the season strongly.

Let's see how Lampard does. That could be a failure. They're likely to miss out on CL again.

His Napoli was possibly the biggest challenger for the title since Milan in 11-12.
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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That article is a very good collection of excuses and apologies
I was gonna say it's like Sarri or Martusciello wrote it themselves.

Sarri is nearly ideal for this phase of Juventus’ journey: he’s getting results and in the meantime creating a whole new football style and identity. The tragedy is that fans won’t remember developments or changes; they’ll remember silverware.
My favorite. Like Martusciello said earlier this season:"Unfortunately we've inherited a winning team."

Keep in mind this guy wrote it:


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Wait, since when does the herd's opinion matter? You will always see fans complaining, happened to possibly every manager in the history. Fans are moody and tend to pick out arguments to their agenda, based on their likings or whatever.

Chelsea's target was top4 after a disaster season they had with Conte. They finished 3rd, just behind City and Liverpool who were out of reach. How's that a failure?
Chelsea qualified only for EL. They won it comfortably and convincingly, trashing Aresnal in the final. How's that a failure?
Sure, there were bumps on the road but they recovered and finished the season strongly.

Let's see how Lampard does. That could be a failure. They're likely to miss out on CL again.

His Napoli was possibly the biggest challenger for the title since Milan in 11-12.
It's not failure per se, but it's not really a great achievement. They were out of CL all season and qualified only because all the others crumbled. They were outside of top 4, won just one of last 5 games and still made it.

These were his opponents before Arsenal who crumbled at the end too: Malmo, D. Kyiv, Slavia Prague, Frankfurt
 

Hust

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I can't see Pep or Klopp ever being available to us, and I think it's partly due to us being victims of our own success. The only selling point we have in our weaker domestic league that we have completed dominated is the possibility of being the coach to win the CL after the long barren spell. I can't think of any other reason why a very high-profile coach would come, if you presume that they have the choice of another top-6 elite Euro club.

I also think Pep and Klopp are much better fits in their current roles. Liverpool in particular is perfectly set up for someone with Klopp's charisma and people skills. In the corporate and sterile environment of Juventus not so much. Sarri is happy to be here because of his lowly background, and for Italians there is no better job. Unfortunately I don't see a huge amount of stellar alternatives. Maybe Poch or Zidane. I think Zidane will surely coach us one day, but if it's in the next two years I'm not so sure.

Perhaps Agnelli will pull Pep out of the bag one day, nothing surprises me in modern football. Perhaps Sarri is putting in the shitty groundwork for a cultural revolution at Juventus, and some day will be more appreciated for it. It's a nice idea, but right now looks like a bit of a fairytale.
I think the article meant that having to wait, say for the end of contract, of Pep & Klopp we STILL needed a change from Allegri because our game play was in decline so between the immediate fix to the point the others "might" be available, Sarri would have been the option to fill the void until then. That's how I took the articles intention that is.
 

Boksic

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Wait, since when does the herd's opinion matter? You will always see fans complaining, happened to possibly every manager in the history. Fans are moody and tend to pick out arguments to their agenda, based on their likings or whatever.

Chelsea's target was top4 after a disaster season they had with Conte. They finished 3rd, just behind City and Liverpool who were out of reach. How's that a failure?
Chelsea qualified only for EL. They won it comfortably and convincingly, trashing Aresnal in the final. How's that a failure?
Sure, there were bumps on the road but they recovered and finished the season strongly.

Let's see how Lampard does. That could be a failure. They're likely to miss out on CL again.

His Napoli was possibly the biggest challenger for the title since Milan in 11-12.
They were 27 points behind second. Hardly just behind. They were 1 point from 5th.

Of course fans moan but the general consensus was that they wanted Sarri gone. It was you who said his Chelsea stint showed why he should be shown faith. I wouldn't say the majority of a fan base wanting rid of a manager is the best basis for showing someone faith. The EL is a mikey mouse cup that barely any sides take seriously until the end. Chelsea beat such European powerhouses as Slavia Prague, Dinamo Kiev and Frankfurt on penalties in the knock-outs on their way to beat a laughable Arsenal in the final. Chelsea clearly wanted more from him.

Lampard may very well do worse (he is 3rd and 2 points from 5th). But Chelsea sold their talisman, relied on youth and had a transfer ban. It's not really the point though, I'm looking at Sarri's career not Lampard's.

Napoli was a success no doubt.

If you think that's enough to have faith in him that's not a problem. Difference of opinion is what makes forums work. Personally, I don't think it is enough, especially when you factor in our performances and lack of progress, plus the fact he has won nothing of note in his career including 2 final loses with the strongest team in Italy.
 
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Fab Fragment

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If we’re not getting Pep, Klopp or Zidane. who would you guys want the next coach to be: my order of preference:

1- Deschamps
2- Gasperini
3- hijack Milan’s possible Leipzig coach
4- Mancini
5- Allegri
6- Inzaghi
7- keep Sarri
 

Arcticdaly

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They were 27 points behind second. Hardly just behind. They were 1 point from 5th.

Of course fans moan but the general consensus was that they wanted Sarri gone. It was you who said his Chelsea stint showed why he should be shown faith. I wouldn't say the majority of a fan base wanting rid of a manager is the best basis for shoeing someone faith. The EL is a mikey mouse cup that barely any sides take seriously until the end. Chelsea played such European powerhouses as Slavia Prague, Dinamo Kiev and Frankfurt on penalties on their way to beat a laughable Arsenal in the final. Chelsea clearly wanted more from him.

Napoli was a success no doubt.

If you think that's enough to have faith in him that's not a problem. Difference of opinion is what makes forums work. Personally, I don't think it is enough, especially when you factor in our performances and lack of progress, plus the fact he has won nothing of note in his career including 2 final loses with the strongest team in Italy.
The chelsea fans wanted him gone for the same reason alot of people on here do the football was dull and a snoozefeast and then after he left alot of the players said how they got fed up of the same boring, training drills, every single day that sucked the life out of them.
 

IlCapitano

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Dec 16, 2012
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If we’re not getting Pep, Klopp or Zidane. who would you guys want the next coach to be: my order of preference:

1- Deschamps
2- Gasperini
3- hijack Milan’s possible Leipzig coach
4- Mancini
5- Allegri
6- Inzaghi
7- keep Sarri
If possible bring Allegri back. If not only Deschamps from that list. Inzaghi maybe but I'm afraid it's still too early for him with so many old players and unbalanced squad.
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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No reason to get rid of Sarri. I still somehow believe even the whole world is against him, it will turn out that he was a good choice. Doesn't really matter to switch the coach here n there unless the squad is competitive. If he has players trust, then he should be fine but if players starting to lose faith on him, that's an obvious sign to get him out but as long as everything is fine behind the doors, we shouldn't be switching the guy behind bench. Does he fit on the brand of Juventus, well that's another thing but currently our brand is playing football which is clueless and boring mostly, but that's due the board and their decisions, not Sarri.
 

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