Matija Nastasić - CB - Manchester City (25 Viewers)

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Zacheryah

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its the mistakes of the central defenders +caceres that cost us the games


Conte did fine, our organisation was excellent, we were in controll of the game and EACH time we gave that away with some blunder, allowing the opponent to dig in deeper
 

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Bjerknes

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how many times has our defense let us down in crucial moments last season? the only dependable CB we got is oft injured and 33, we definitely can use a solid CB that will last us more than 1 season, also if we dont believe bonucci and ogbonna are long term solutions we should sell them now rather than later.
I disagree. In Europe the main problem was creativity, just like under the Capello years. I think the most important piece of the puzzle is another player who can open up defenses, whether it be a trequartista or winger who can run at the defense. We have signed neither of those so that is why I deem this mercato a failure thus far.
 

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I disagree. In Europe the main problem was creativity, just like under the Capello years. I think the most important piece of the puzzle is another player who can open up defenses, whether it be a trequartista or winger who can run at the defense. We have signed neither of those so that is why I deem this mercato a failure thus far.
i disagree, take one of 2 big bonucci fuckups in europe and wed either be past group stages or in the EL final
 

Bjerknes

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i disagree, take one of 2 big bonucci $#@!ups in europe and wed either be past group stages or in the EL final
That's debatable, and blaming all our problems on one guy isn't realistic either.

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Creativity was not the problem, finishing was.
So then why isn't everyone screaming for another target man?

Because that wasn't the big problem either.
 

Bjerknes

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What problem did we have in Serie A the last three years?

We just see the team differently. Obviously we are going to struggle if we cannot score goals in the CL, so to me that is the biggest problem.
 

Mister

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So then why isn't everyone screaming for another target man?

Because that wasn't the big problem either.
The reason people are not screaming for a target man now is because llorente is settled into the team and is doing well compared to the poor start he had with us. If you remember there were rumors of him being sold in Jan and him not being happy etc.

The 3 games that we drew against kobenhavn, gala and madrid could have easily been avoided. We dominated the match against the danes but could not score more than 1 goal, against gala i think it was bonucci's poor back pass that gifted drogba a goal and against madrid at home it was caceres who messed up.
 

Zacheryah

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Lets not forget chiellini and caceres fuckups.

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And gala was buffons fault. If it was neuer or courtois, alert keepers, that was never a goal
 

Post Ironic

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I disagree. In Europe the main problem was creativity, just like under the Capello years. I think the most important piece of the puzzle is another player who can open up defenses, whether it be a trequartista or winger who can run at the defense. We have signed neither of those so that is why I deem this mercato a failure thus far.
This is only true to a certain extent. We lacked finishing in the two matches that cost us progress.

We outshot Gala 26-7 in the 2-2 match and something like 16-4 with attempts from inside the box. Poor finishing screwed us in that match.

And the same can be said of Copenhagen 1-1. 27-9 we outshot them, including 19-3 for attempts within the box.

To lose two matches like that, against outmatched foes, speaks volumes to how poor our finishing was in our first two European matches. And then to compound that, our inexplicable defensive screw-ups from Bonucci... Well. Out we went.

I'd say we lacked mental toughness in Europe, at least our forwards certainly did (and one of our defenders) and our entire European season was indicative of this, as only in the one Madrid game were we outchanced by the opposition if I recall correctly. It's the same with our set-piece defending, and the terrible blunders by Cacares and Bonucci. Those are mental miscues.

I'm a Conte supporter, but one of the problems with that 110% for every single match attitude of his, is that the pressure builds to unbearable levels, and eventually, when the lights are brightest players crack, or wilt, and make stupid errors, or can't finish worth beans. I mean, if we treat a match against Serie A basement dwellers as do-or-die when we're up on the second place team by 11 points with only a few rounds remaining, imagine the pressure of a UCL match?
 

Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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i do wonder how different results could have been had llorente been in form from start of the season.

ffs we were playing long balls and crosses to......giovinco. all while conte had lloretne on bench
 

JuveJay

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So basically individual mistakes, we can put down to defensive errors, strikers (Tevez) missing chances. These things hurt the most in CL format, you can make up for them over a league season but we made them at the start of the 6 games and then continued all the way through until the end.
 

Bjerknes

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You can shoot the ball 50 yards away and it counts as a shot. The more important thing is how the chances are created and the defenses are opened up. From what I saw last year in the CL, it was the same types of half-chances that were difficult enough as it is to score.

This forum is too funny. Just last year the majority of the forum believed we had the best defense in EUROPE. Actually, I recall Zach saying that as well. So what happened? People can't have it both ways. A few years ago, it was about building a base of players so that we could purchase stars now. Before it was we have the best defense and possibly midfield in the world, now we don't. Which one is it?

It's like you guys take these transfer rumors and adjust your opinions around in order to justify the purchases before they even happen!
 

Suns

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You can shoot the ball 50 yards away and it counts as a shot. The more important thing is how the chances are created and the defenses are opened up. From what I saw last year in the CL, it was the same types of half-chances that were difficult enough as it is to score.

This forum is too funny. Just last year the majority of the forum believed we had the best defense in EUROPE. Actually, I recall Zach saying that as well. So what happened? People can't have it both ways. A few years ago, it was about building a base of players so that we could purchase stars now. Before it was we have the best defense and possibly midfield in the world, now we don't. Which one is it?

It's like you guys take these transfer rumors and adjust your opinions around in order to justify the purchases before they even happen!
Same BS every year. We struggle in Europe, realize team has no creativity and ask for it, Marotta delivers something we don't need and some people forget and try to justify it all.

Did we honestly forget how frustrating it is watching our offense go through Lichtsteiner and Asamoah and our back 3 dominating the ball possession?
 
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