Massimiliano Allegri (295 Viewers)

[Patrizi]

Firstly I expect this team not to gain only 2 points against Verona, Empoli and Udinese almost in consecutive weeks. This team is capable of beating at least 3/4 of the sides in the league right??

I already expected minimal movement in the summer transfer window but fucking hell we have the likes of Chiesa and Vlahovic to build our attack around, Locatelli and Rabiot are experienced enough, and Bremer is one of the best defenders in Serie A. We already have players to build around and play to their strengths, had Allegri done that? for the most parts no. What I did expect with the lack of European football is Allegri using this spare time to really build a better mentality, a chance to actually impose a different style even, but we've seen none of that.

There's only so much excuse that can be made for Allegri, but like I said he had a clean slate this season, if anything he has no excuse not to show any improvements, why did we even hire Magnagnelli who is supposed to help with our style and possession only for Allegri to literally throw that idea out for some bullshit style where we can't even string 3 passes together, nothing is in sync between higher management, the coaching staff, the sporting director and Allegri, and its evident enough to me that Allegri is the one not willing to adapt or change to what the club seemingly would like to achieve, there for this year has been wasted, another rebuild year coming up next season again, and we'd be stupid as fuck to think Allegri is that man to lead it.

Don't forget how Allegri tried to fool us to thinking that he is "part of the solution, not the problem!" Those were his words! has he resolved anything this season? again no so he's the problem as I had suspected for a while.

I agree with his words. He's definitely not the problem. The problem started before he came back and lies within the club. Idk if he's the solution or not, meh. The solution is with the club to strengthen this team. If the club gives Allegri a team capable of challenging, he'll do so.
I don't know what excuses you're referring to? There are no excuses to be made. He's doing a very good job with what he's working with in my opinion.
It isn't unless you think he should be doing better than he actually is. And that's where we differ.
I think he's overachieving with what he has. You think he should be doing much better.

 

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[singus]

Im happy to see Badass doing the work that must be done here, to keep the wheels running. It is a good match for @Patrizi who is not shy to write endless walls of text of why the drops of Allegri are almost as precious if not more tasty than Sarris, and how he is currently outperforming all expectations.

 

[Patrizi]

Im happy to see Badass doing the work that must be done here, to keep the wheels of running. It is a good match for @Patrizi who is not shy to write endless walls of text of why the drops of Allegri are almost as precious if not more tasty than Sarris, and how he is currently outperforming all expectations.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth. Let @Badass J Elkann do the talking. At least he's trying to make a point.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I agree with his words. He's definitely not the problem. The problem started before he came back. Wether he's the solution or not, meh. The solution is with the club to strengthen this team.
I don't know what excuses you're referring to? There are no excuses to be made. He's doing a very good job with what he's working with in my opinion.
It isn't unless you think he should be doing better than he actually is. And that's where we differ.
I think he's overachieving with what he has. You think he should be doing much better.

You literally didn't read a single thing I wrote did you.

You have literally one of the best Italian attackers in Chiesa, one of the best forwards in the league in Vlahovic, a proven duo at Fiorentina, you have one of the best defenders in the league in Bremer, one of the best Italian mids in the Euros in Locatelli, a player who was highly sought after the euros and a Rabiot who is seemingly wanted by the likes of Bayern and Barca, these are not duds, in what way is he over achieving if his target is top 4 in what is already a very weak league. And to top it off we have a number of very exciting talents in the ranks, it's not like Allegri is starved of quality and talent as such.

Has Allegri addressed the mental issues? the motivation issues? hell we look clueless going into matches and yet Allegri has near enough a week! YES A WEEK to plan each game now.

In what way he is over achieving I really don't see it 2 points vs verona, udinese and empoli in a 4 game stretch if anything is underachieving and by a very long way with the squad he has.

 

[s4tch]

Ho won fuc....ing scudetto with padoin, estigaribia, giaccherini and dead milos krasic, so dont tell me he had better squad than allegri have now.

that must be one of the the worst football related arguments ever

it's like saying that inzaghi will have a 100 points with darmian while he's having thuram, martinez, barella, etc. it's like saying that zidane won back to back cl titles with nacho and kovacic while ignoring ronaldo, modric or benzema

conte had pirlo, vidal, marchisio, buffon, barzagli, lichtsteiner, and after an adaptation period, bonucci also rose to the occadion. that's seven very high level players, of which pirlo, vidal, buffon, chiellini and barza were unquestionably elite players on their respective positions. now we have exactly zero players of similar level. plenty of squad players though

 

[Patrizi]

You literally didn't read a single thing I wrote did you.

You have literally one of the best Italian attackers in Chiesa, one of the best forwards in the league in Vlahovic, a proven duo at Fiorentina, you have one of the best defenders in the league in Bremer, one of the best Italian mids in the Euros in Locatelli and a Rabiot who is seemingly wanted by the likes of Bayern and Barca, these are not duds, in what way is he over achieving if his target is top 4 in what is already a very weak league. And to top it off we have a number of very exciting talents in the ranks, it's not like Allegri is starved of quality and talent as such.

Has Allegri addressed the mental issues? the motivation issues? hell we look clueless going into matches and yet Allegri has near enough a week! YES A WEEK to plan each game now.

In what way he is over achieving I really don't see it 2 points vs verona, udinese and empoli in a 4 game stretch if anything is underachieving and by a very long way with the squad he has.

Did you read what I said? Doesn't look like it.

I said our team was horribly put together. I don't recall seeing Chiesa and Vlahovic tearing up this "weak league" you mention. I don't even recall them qualifying for europe with Fiorentina.

You think Allegri is underachieving while sitting second in league, with players like Gatti, McKennie, Miretti, Cambiaso, Iling Jr., and Kostic.
That's where I disagree. This team is overall the worst we've had since serie b.
Our best players are good squad players in a good team.
Not a single player, except from maybe Bremer, gets into our 2017 team.
And you blame Allegri for us not being as good as then.

No words needed.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Jesus christ you'd think we are a serie B quality team reading that... and Allegri is performing miracles with 2 points gained vs verona, empoli and udinese.

I mean let's take your example of Kostic, a europa league winner and an important player with a very decent Frankfurt team, his crossing output numbers (one of the highest in europe at the time) and he was our top assist provider last season.

But no he's somehow compared to past rosters of the post serie B era such as the delneri squad which had the likes of de ceglie, Armand Traore and Krasic

Damn how I wish we have knezevic and freaking grygera over Gatti and Cambiaso...
And poulsen tiago and melo over rabiot, locatelli and Mckennie.

This squad is not even remotely close to the worst squad post serie B as you claim.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Are we even in a rebuild under Allegri though? Can anyone really say for certainty what sort of style we're looking to play? Any defensive shape? Some semblance of attacking patterns? Even just the formation, are we really going for a 3-5-2 when we have wingers?

 

[Lion]

Are we even in a rebuild under Allegri though? Can anyone really say for certainty what sort of style we're looking to play? Any defensive shape? Some balance of attacking patterns? Even just the formation, are we really going for a 3-5-2 when we have wingers?

throaters: look at juve challenging for title with rabiot and gatti. allegri is amazing his hands are tied with such a team

also throaters: allegri is rebuilding team

you either are challenging for title or rebuilding. you can't be both.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Are we even in a rebuild under Allegri though? Can anyone really say for certainty what sort of style we're looking to play? Any defensive shape? Some balance of attacking patterns? Even just the formation, are we really going for a 3-5-2 when we have wingers?

We are not in a rebuild under allegri because he has never proven he can build a team, his legacy has been built upon teams that were already built to succeed. But what fucks me off is how allegri claimed to be part of the solution or so he said and yet he has solved nothing since and no sign of it changing either. Like I said before Allegri is a square pegs, round hole manager, he will try to fit pieces into a formation he believes is defensive enough to try and avoid defeat most games. That's all.

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throaters: look at juve challenging for title with rabiot and gatti. allegri is amazing his hands are tied with such a team

also throaters: allegri is rebuilding team

you either are challenging for title or rebuilding. you can't be both.

I can tell you now we are neither.

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So you there go folks. Blame it on the Muricans. Just give Allegri the keys to the castle and it'll all be OK.

Imagine if allegri was the national team manager of the USA...

 

[Patrizi]

Jesus christ you'd think we are a serie B quality team reading that... and Allegri is performing miracles with 2 points gained vs verona, empoli and udinese.

I mean let's take your example of Kostic, a europa league winner with a very decent Frankfurt team, his crossing output numbers (one of the highest in europe at the time) and he was our top assist provider last season.

But no he's somehow compared to past rosters of the post serie B era such as the delneri squad which had the likes of de ceglie, Armand Traore and Krasic

Damn how I wish we have knezevic and freaking grygera over Gatti and Cambiaso...

We were never a serie B quality team. But our serie B team was better than this. That's what I said. That team wasn't bad, but better than this.

But the meaning of it was ultimately that our team isn't good enough.

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throaters: look at juve challenging for title with rabiot and gatti. allegri is amazing his hands are tied with such a team

also throaters: allegri is rebuilding team

you either are challenging for title or rebuilding. you can't be both.

I don't see how both can't be true.
We kinda were challenging Inter. While we are rebuilding.
Clearly... we're still rebuilding. Not as much challenging.

Inter are strong.
Might win CL.

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Imagine if allegri was the national team manager of the USA...

I'd love to watch a world cup with Allegri as the US coach in the future.
That'd be cool.

He'll probably take over Italy one day though.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Oh god, imagine having to suffer reading this thread next season and keep reading the same arguments.

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[JUVEMOOD]

We kinda were challenging Inter. While we are rebuilding.
Clearly... we're still rebuilding. Not as much challenging.

We are building shit.. and this is Al-Leg-ri style.. season by season, never built shit for tomorrow.
To the point that we are still wondering what the team is doing in training sessions?!! You can also read the same comment (what are we doing in training sessions) in 2018.

Inter are strong.
Might win CL.

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Maybe, but that got nothing to do with Inter being Almighty

They are stronger than us clearly, but again, we are building shit for the future.. thanks to the guy on the bench who is a pure pragmatic.

After Inter game, had we lost and draw Udine and Verona because we are trying new things or shifting to a back four trying to "build for the future", it would have been easier to digest.. will wait till end of March to see this happening.. otherwise... dont talk about building for the future..
If the Locatellis, Mirrettis, and Kostics of the world are not improving how they (we as a team) are playing with clear foundations for the future.. maybe just bench the shit out of them and start playing the u23 team once in a while

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[Robee]

What does that even mean? Leverkusen aren't exactly a team that is renowned for any particular identity prior to xabi's appointment, its not like they spent alot in the summer, asides from Wirz and Boniface are they really that much better than an inform Chiesa and Vlahovic?

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Don't talk to me about rebuild. 3 years of Allegri 2.0 it's the same fucking story. We are rebuilding each year, we have made 0 progress! No identity nothing. Fucking please rebuild is one thing but we are going round in fucking circles with Allegri. He has a plethora of talent to work with now, but the frame work Allegri has set is set to fail as it has done this past 3 years. The fagioli excuse is a pathetic one, I like the player alot but fuck me he's far from being decisive to this team, and pogba? He was barely available before the ban. This pogba fagioli is just sheer straw clutching. Simple.

Hahaha, wow.

 

[Salvo]

Is he still here?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We were never a serie B quality team. But our serie B team was better than this. That's what I said. That team wasn't bad, but better than this.

But the meaning of it was ultimately that our team isn't good enough.

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I don't see how both can't be true.
We kinda were challenging Inter. While we are rebuilding.
Clearly... we're still rebuilding. Not as much challenging.

Inter are strong.
Might win CL.

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I'd love to watch a world cup with Allegri as the US coach in the future.
That'd be cool.

He'll probably take over Italy one day though.

Are you for real?

 

[Brny44]

I'd like us to get Barella and De Bruyne, yes. It would be like going from Sissoko and Ekdal to like Pirlo and Vidal back then.

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Uhm, beats me which post you've just read but hey drugs enough these days. I'll explain since it looks necessary for you; losing 2 players in one and the same position is not exactly a good thing for a team, especially when it happens after the transfer market closes.

Also; if we agree Fagioli ain't a world beater, which we can. We can probably agree on Miretti, McKennie, Locatelli etc. too.

I'm still waiting for someone to admit he's convinced another coach (and who?) would do better than second place with these guys. I don't get all the drama if you're not.

Fagioli was not even a starter, so if you put caviglia or fagioli in the starting lineup there wont be any difference. And how do I remember there was a winter mercato, we could bring someone on that position and not broken djalo or alcaraz, who will be sooner or later benched because he play too much of the attacking football.

2nd place is the only thing that is protecting this fraud to be here. Also the outcome from milan and atalanta games are going in his hand. As I say, when he is out of luck (started with empoli) the true picture will emerge.

For me 2nd place is less important than seeing progress, playing quality football, rotate with young players and showing something that I can rely on in the future. If i had 7mill budget for a coach, I would want to hire klopp, zidane, de zerbi, without budget motta or palladino.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We are building shit.. and this is Al-Leg-ri style.. season by season, never built shit for tomorrow.
To the point that we are still wondering what the team is doing in training sessions?!! You can also read the same comment (what are we doing in training sessions) in 2018.



Maybe, but that got nothing to do with Inter being Almighty

They are stronger than us clearly, but again, we are building shit for the future.. thanks to the guy on the bench who is a pure pragmatic.

After Inter game, had we lost and draw Udine and Verona because we are trying new things or shifting to a back four trying to "build for the future", it would have been easier to digest.. will wait till end of March to see this happening.. otherwise... dont talk about building for the future..
If the Locatellis, Mirrettis, and Kostics of the world are not improving how they (we as a team) are playing with clear foundations for the future.. maybe just bench the shit out of them and start playing the u23 team once in a while

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Its ok these allegri sympathisers are adamant he's money well spent because we are over achieving with a squad that is worst than any other we've had since serie B era

 

[Brny44]

that must be one of the the worst football related arguments ever

it's like saying that inzaghi will have a 100 points with darmian while he's having thuram, martinez, barella, etc. it's like saying that zidane won back to back cl titles with nacho and kovacic while ignoring ronaldo, modric or benzema

conte had pirlo, vidal, marchisio, buffon, barzagli, lichtsteiner, and after an adaptation period, bonucci also rose to the occadion. that's seven very high level players, of which pirlo, vidal, buffon, chiellini and barza were unquestionably elite players on their respective positions. now we have exactly zero players of similar level. plenty of squad players though

Thats the point, its about what can you do with the things you have. And allegri can't do nothing while inzaghi can make darmian look like maicon. Yes but why was team 2011 better than 2024? Why were 30-35 olds more hungrier than 20-25 old players are today? Antonio Conte is gandalf for allegri.

 

[s4tch]