Massimiliano Allegri (188 Viewers)

[Badass J Elkann]

oh brother
you do realize the likes of verona and udinese were made to look good by us right lol?

are o.duda and d.silva of verona better than our players?
what about walace, lovric and samadrzic of udinese?

We were freaking humbled by maccabi haifa with a similar midfield... but hey let's praise allegri for doing well with a midfield that is made to look so bad yet rabiot and locatelli combined probably have more international caps than the entire verona squad combined

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So all this drama for like 6 to 9 points better? Ok.

I do hope our squad will be much better next season and we never test that theory.

Yeah yeah yeah hope... we've been rebuilding for 3 years and you're deluded enough to think next year will be any different if Allegri stays... fucking wake up!

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So all this drama for like 6 to 9 points better? Ok.

I do hope our squad will be much better next season and we never test that theory.

It's not about 6 or 9 points better, its about closing that gap on inter, that's progress, and we've already failed that step this season.

 

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[Kevster]

So you're saying Alonso would win the scudetto with this Juve?


Where exactly are those guys and teams in the standings, pal?

 

[Patrizi]

Granit fucking xhaka looks a class above any midfielder we have and he was deemed a flop by arsenal fans. Yet Xabi Alonso... so yeah I'd be confident enough to believe that a half decent progressive modern manager would get more out of the current squad, I'm not suggesting scudetto winners but we'd be closer to inter than we are now to say the least.

I really doubt Xabi Alonso would even think about playing the same way he does with Leverkusen, as he would with Juventus. Very different players with extremely different characteristics.
I've watched Leverkusen play. They score their goals mostly from quick transitions. You don't get those chances in Italy.

 

[Kevster]

Next season will be the first season Allegri and Giuntoli can actually do something on the market, as long as we qualify for champions league.
I would expect pretty big changes yes.

I'm going to hold this against you. I'm tired of watching us be failures

 

[Patrizi]

I'm going to hold this against you. I'm tired of watching us be failures

Failures as in not winning the scudetto?

Tough love. It'll be very difficult to beat this Inter next year. They're way ahead of us.

 

[Robee]

We were freaking humbled by maccabi haifa with a similar midfield... but hey let's praise allegri for doing well with a midfield that is made to look so bad yet rabiot and locatelli combined probably have more international caps than the entire verona squad combined

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Yeah yeah yeah hope... we've been rebuilding for 3 years and you're deluded enough to think next year will be any different if Allegri stays... fucking wake up!

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It's not about 6 or 9 points better, its about closing that gap on inter, that's progress, and we've already failed that step this season.

Of course it is. We're talking about winning here. The rest are esthetics and subjective matters. Lazio or Brighton fans should care about that. At Juve, vincere e l'unica chose che conta. Couldn't care less how it happens whenever we win the scudetto.

If you actually believe a team can rebuild with everything that happened to us last season, the deluded one is you, my friend. Add in Pogba and Fagioli this season as well, just for giggles. Wake up!

I wouldn't even keep Allegri and I certainly never claimed everything would change next season. I did say you lack a shitload of context.

 

[Dino_mk]

wait what happened? Somebody lost their shit because I like Allegri? Mehh. What a dramaqueen

Somebody mentioned he'd be curious to see what another manager would do with this team. I'd be nervous we'd even qualify for CL if i'm being honest (Pirlo came close).
The most important thing isn't even if Allegri is staying or going. No coach turns this squad into a CL contenders. Or even scudetto material.
A lot has to happen for us to become great again. And it won't happen overnight. With, or without Allegri.
Marotta built a great team. Paratici took over, went all in, and left us broke, facing serie b threats. Now it's time for Giuntoli to start another era and build his team. If the team becomes good enough, we'll start winning again. With or without Allegri. Until then, it's Allegri's job to make the most of Gatti, McKennie, Weah, Kostic, Miretti and Iljing Jr etc.
This is our worst team since we came from serie B. I'd even argue that our serie B team was better than this.
The club desperately needs CL money and doesn't want to take a chance that might backfire and put us under. Allegri was a responsible decision by the club. Secure CL money, so we can start rebuilding this. This time, with hopefully a bit more vision behind it.

Wait what happened? Somebody lost their shit, felt offended, because I dislike Allegri? Such a cry baby and drama queen!!!

About a bold part, it certainly won't happen with the fraud. With proper coach it could, like it did in Conte first season, from 7th place to serieA contender and champion.

 

[Brny44]

Another one who mention fagioli as world class player we can not play without . He had two good games in entire career here. Forget when he cryed like a baby, when he bet on his mistake to lead to goal? Dont use him as excuse for allegri. This quote my friend has died afrer RM finals and is writen now in history books.

Every week the same discusion. What if we made 2 threads, one masimiliano allegri throaters and one masimiliano allegri dinosaur...there will only be conversation betwen the ones who like him and the ones who dont.

 

[Robee]

Wait what happened? Somebody lost their shit, felt offended, because I dislike Allegri? Such a cry baby and drama queen!!!

About a bold part, it certainly won't happen with the fraud. With proper coach it could, like it did in Conte first season, from 7th place to serieA contender and champion.

I'd like us to get Barella and De Bruyne, yes. It would be like going from Sissoko and Ekdal to like Pirlo and Vidal back then.

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Another one who mention fagioli as world class player we can not play without . He had two good games in entire career here. Forget when he cryed like a baby, when he bet on his mistake to lead to goal? Dont use him as excuse for allegri. This quote my friend has died afrer RM finals and is writen now in history books.

Every week the same discusion. What if we made 2 threads, one masimiliano allegri throaters and one masimiliano allegri dinosaur...there will only be conversation betwen the ones who like him and the ones who dont.

Uhm, beats me which post you've just read but hey drugs enough these days. I'll explain since it looks necessary for you; losing 2 players in one and the same position is not exactly a good thing for a team, especially when it happens after the transfer market closes.

Also; if we agree Fagioli ain't a world beater, which we can. We can probably agree on Miretti, McKennie, Locatelli etc. too.

I'm still waiting for someone to admit he's convinced another coach (and who?) would do better than second place with these guys. I don't get all the drama if you're not.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I really doubt Xabi Alonso would even think about playing the same way he does with Leverkusen, as he would with Juventus. Very different players with extremely different characteristics.
I've watched Leverkusen play. They score their goals mostly from quick transitions. You don't get those chances in Italy.

What does that even mean? Leverkusen aren't exactly a team that is renowned for any particular identity prior to xabi's appointment, its not like they spent alot in the summer, asides from Wirz and Boniface are they really that much better than an inform Chiesa and Vlahovic?

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Of course it is. We're talking about winning here. The rest are esthetics and subjective matters. Lazio or Brighton fans should care about that. At Juve, vincere e l'unica chose che conta. Couldn't care less how it happens whenever we win the scudetto.

If you actually believe a team can rebuild with everything that happened to us last season, the deluded one is you, my friend. Add in Pogba and Fagioli this season as well, just for giggles. Wake up!

I wouldn't even keep Allegri and I certainly never claimed everything would change next season. I did say you lack a shitload of context.

Don't talk to me about rebuild. 3 years of Allegri 2.0 it's the same fucking story. We are rebuilding each year, we have made 0 progress! No identity nothing. Fucking please rebuild is one thing but we are going round in fucking circles with Allegri. He has a plethora of talent to work with now, but the frame work Allegri has set is set to fail as it has done this past 3 years. The fagioli excuse is a pathetic one, I like the player alot but fuck me he's far from being decisive to this team, and pogba? He was barely available before the ban. This pogba fagioli is just sheer straw clutching. Simple.

 

[Patrizi]

What does that even mean? Leverkusen aren't exactly a team that is renowned for any particular identity prior to xabi's appointment, its not like they spent alot in the summer, asides from Wirz and Boniface are they really that much better than an inform Chiesa and Vlahovic?

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Don't talk to me about rebuild. 3 years of Allegri 2.0 it's the same fucking story. We are rebuilding each year, we have made 0 progress! No identity nothing. Fucking please rebuild is one thing but we are going round in fucking circles with Allegri. He has a plethora of talent to work with now, but the frame work Allegri has set is set to fail as it has done this past 3 years. The fagioli excuse is a pathetic one, I like the player alot but fuck me he's far from being decisive to this team, and pogba? He was barely available before the ban. This pogba fagioli is just sheer straw clutching. Simple.

We've not been rebuilding anything. We've been in total damage control. Team gets worse every season. Buying Weah and recalling McKennie from loan isn't a rebuild.

As I said. Not everyone seems to fully understand the situation we've been in as a club. You being one of them.

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Wait what happened? Somebody lost their shit, felt offended, because I dislike Allegri? Such a cry baby and drama queen!!!

About a bold part, it certainly won't happen with the fraud. With proper coach it could, like it did in Conte first season, from 7th place to serieA contender and champion.

It takes a very small mind to exclude the fact that we changed our team completely at the same time. Unless that happens, and while we're acquiring players like Weah and McKennie, instead of Pirlo and Vidal, i'm afraid you're missing a piece of the context. As usual.

 

[Bjerknes]

So you there go folks. Blame it on the Muricans. Just give Allegri the keys to the castle and it'll all be OK.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

We've not been rebuilding anything. We've been in total damage control. Team gets worse every season. Buying Weah and recalling McKennie from loan isn't a rebuild.

As I said. Not everyone seems to fully understand the situation we've been in as a club. You being one of them.

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It takes a very small mind to exclude the fact that we changed our team completely at the same time. Unless that happens, and while we're acquiring players like Weah and McKennie, i'm afraid not.

Look Allegri had a clean slate going into this season, he has on paper a very capable team however you look at it, in fact the squad was almost too big to just deal with domestic competition. Allegri more so this season than any other has time to actually implement new ideas, and plans given we are literally only playing once a week.

Ask yourself this, have we improved? no so wheres the progress? the rebuild doesn't have to be about who we are bringing in, like I already said we have enough exciting talent and actually some good players to build this team around but has Allegri done that? no it's the same square pegs, round holes theory with Allegri, and another season with Allegri won't change that at all, 2nd place or not Allegri hasn't even addressed the simple foundations of a resilient mindset, I mean why do we pay this fraud 7 mill a year if he can't even get these players motivated, on that basis alone we haven't built shit, and its the same shit of the past 3 years. Stop blaming the lack of quality, enough players have come and gone this past 3 seasons for me to see its the same common theme each year and it all boils down to Allegri.

 

[Patrizi]

Just take the keys and the wallet away from Agnelli and Paratici.

Fix this mess with responsible people

Let Giuntoli build a new team.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

how can you build anything if we have no identity? no foundations to build any ideas on? anyone can buy players, stick em in a formation and say play, but building something has to start with a vision and targets, one of those targets this season was to improve our style and identity, hence why we hired Magnagnelli as a coach, have we seen any real improvements on that front? most weeks no, this year's rebuild has already failed because of Allegri's pre historic ways of football.

But hey some think Allegri's 7 mill a year wage is well earned if he gets top 4 whilst creating a bigger gap between inter and ourselves still in what is a piss poor league.

 

[Juve-Fan-Iraq]

I can literally imagine all of the above because I have seen all these actions so much in the last few seasons.

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Just take the keys and the wallet away from Agnelli and Paratici.

Fix this mess with responsible people

Let Giuntoli build a new team.

What names do you envision will elevate this squad to a scudetto challenging side with Allegri at the helm? Hopefully by then Allegri will not have anything to moan and bitch about. Asking you and all the Allegri backers in particular.

 

[Post Ironic]

Lets get that straight... 2009, 2010, 7.th place in serie A... buffon was injured so 1.option was storari. Vidal was potential and nothing more, Pirlo was 31 old Milan reject, Tevez came 2013... what conte did 2011 was miracle, he built a team from scratches, something allegri was never and will never do.

I dont blame conte for loosing against galatasaray in turkey ( we know what uefa did to us) but this was his first years for him as juventus coach in europe...he came from Siena, unexperienced.

Ho won fuc....ing scudetto with padoin, estigaribia, giaccherini and dead milos krasic, so dont tell me he had better squad than allegri have now.

I never said I like conte, but without a doubt he is 1000x better than allegri

What a throater.

 

[Patrizi]

Look Allegri had a clean slate going into this season, he has on paper a very capable team however you look at it, in fact the squad was almost too big to just deal with domestic competition. Allegri more so this season than any other has time to actually implement new ideas, and plans given we are literally only playing once a week.

Ask yourself this, have we improved? no so wheres the progress? the rebuild doesn't have to be about who we are bringing in, like I already said we have enough exciting talent and actually some good players to build this team around but has Allegri done that? no it's the same square pegs, round holes theory with Allegri, and another season with Allegri won't change that at all, 2nd place or not Allegri hasn't even addressed the simple foundations of a resilient mindset, I mean why do we pay this fraud 7 mill a year if he can't even get these players motivated, on that basis alone we haven't built shit, and its the same shit of the past 3 years. Stop blaming the lack of quality, enough players have come and gone this past 3 seasons for me to see its the same common theme each year and it all boils down to Allegri.

Me and you disagree on what's a "very capable team". The fact of the matter is that this team, is the same team he had last year. With only Weah as an addition. You might've expected something drastically different from last season, but I didn't. These are essentially the same players, and it would be really fucking strange of me to expect them to all of sudden become a lot better than they actually are.

No, I don't consider this team a very capable team. This team is in my opinion even worse than the team we had in serie B. And I think Allegri has done a very good job this season, leading this team to a 16 games unbeaten run and a second place. Yes I think he has improved this team from last season. Mostly in terms of mentality. We were extremely strong mentally until we lost to Inter. I'd even argue that we're largely sitting in second place because we've improved mentally. Sure it came crashing after the defeat, but that's expected. Players started to believe they could challenge Inter. And some people here thought so as well. Only to be humbled to one of the best team in Europe. Of course there'll be a dip. Season is essentially over.

The fact that we're second, with players like Gatti, Locatelli, McKennie, Kostic, Miretti, Iling Jr, Cambiaso, Milik etc. Is what I call an overachievement.

You think it boils down to Allegri. I disagree. It boils down to the club, not being able to provide a team capable of challenging. It's been the same shit for the last three years not because of Allegri. But because our team has gotten worse every year. Mind you, it was even worse with Pirlo, even if he had a better team.
Empty transfer budget, reducing salary, serie b threats, and a total revamp of the structure of the club. If anything, it's thanks to Allegri that we're qualifying for the cl.

No coach turns this team into a cl challenger. Or even a scudetto challenger.
There are capable players inbetween. But the biggest issue is how this team is put together.
Very few players are capable of having the ball at their feet. Almost nobody is capable of threading a pass (except Alcaraz). Most take at least 4 seconds to control the ball. We can't build from the back properly because our defenders aren't good with the ball. Our midfielders either. They have no technique. Our wide players are extremely limited going forward. Their crosses are even dreadful. And our forwards don't really compliment each other. Vlahovic's only ability is to shoot/finish, and Chiesa's only ability is to run with the ball on the counter. Chiesa becomes useless against teams sitting deep.

This team hasn't been properly put together. To be sitting in second place is an overachievement. These three years you mention have been nothing but damage control. This summer will be the first one in a long time where the club is solid, with a bit of a budget, and a sporting director who'll try to better this team.

We'll see how that goes. But I promise you. I won't just be another Weah coming in.

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[Dino_mk]

Me and you disagree on what's a "very capable team". The fact of the matter is that this team, is the same team he had last year. With only Weah as an addition. You might've expected something drastically different from last season, but I didn't. These are essentially the same players, and it would be really fucking strange of me to expect them to all of sudden become a lot better than they actually are.

No, I don't consider this team a very capable team. This team is in my opinion even worse than the team we had in serie B. And I think Allegri has done a very good job this season, leading this team to a 16 games unbeaten run and a second place. Yes I think he has improved this team from last season. Mostly in terms of mentality. We were extremely strong mentally until we lost to Inter. I'd even argue that we're largely sitting in second place because we've improved mentally. Sure it came crashing after the defeat, but that's expected. Players started to believe they could challenge Inter. And some people here thought so as well. Only to be humbled to one of the best team in Europe. Of course there'll be a dip. Season is essentially over.

The fact that we're second, with players like Gatti, Locatelli, McKennie, Kostic, Miretti, Iling Jr, Cambiaso, Milik etc. Is what I call an overachievement.

You think it boils down to Allegri. I disagree. It boils down to the club, not being able to provide a team capable of challenging. It's been the same shit for the last three years not because of Allegri. But because our team has gotten worse every year. Mind you, it was even worse with Pirlo, even if he had a better team.
Empty transfer budget, reducing salary, serie b threats, and a total revamp of the structure of the club. If anything, it's thanks to Allegri that we're qualifying for the cl.

No coach turns this team into a cl challenger. Or even a scudetto challenger.
There are capable players inbetween. But the biggest issue is how this team is put together.
Very few players are capable of having the ball at their feet. Almost nobody is capable of threading a pass. Most take at least 4 seconds to control the ball. We can't build from the back properly because our defenders aren't good with the ball. Our midfielders either. They have no technique. Our wide players are extremely limited going forward. Their crosses are even dreadful. And our forwards don't really compliment each other. Vlahovic's only ability is to shoot/finish, and Chiesa's only ability is to run with the ball on the counter.

This team hasn't been properly put together. To be sitting in second place is an overachievement. These three years you mention have been nothing but damage control. This summer will be the first one in a long time where the club is solid, with a bit of a budget, and a sporting director who'll try to better this team.

We'll see how that goes. But I promise you. I won't just be another Weah coming in.

What a throater.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Me and you disagree on what's a "very capable team". The fact of the matter is that this team, is the same team he had last year. With only Weah as an addition. You might've expected something drastically different from last season, but I didn't. These are essentially the same players, and it would be really fucking strange of me to expect them to all of sudden become a lot better than they actually are.

No, I don't consider this team a very capable team. This team is in my opinion even worse than the team we had in serie B. And I think Allegri has done a very good job this season, leading this team to a 16 games unbeaten run and a second place. Yes I think he has improved this team from last season. Mostly in terms of mentality. We were extremely strong mentally until we lost to Inter. I'd even argue that we're largely sitting in second place because we've improved mentally. Sure it came crashing after the defeat, but that's expected. Players started to believe they could challenge Inter. And some people here thought so as well. Only to be humbled to one of the best team in Europe. Of course there'll be a dip. Season is essentially over.

The fact that we're second, with players like Gatti, Locatelli, McKennie, Kostic, Miretti, Iling Jr, Cambiaso, Milik etc. Is what I call an overachievement.

You think it boils down to Allegri. I disagree. It boils down to the club, not being able to provide a team capable of challenging. It's been the same shit for the last three years not because of Allegri. But because our team has gotten worse every year. Mind you, it was even worse with Pirlo, even if he had a better team.
Empty transfer budget, reducing salary, serie b threats, and a total revamp of the structure of the club. If anything, it's thanks to Allegri that we're qualifying for the cl.

No coach turns this team into a cl challenger. Or even a scudetto challenger.
There are capable players inbetween. But the biggest issue is how this team is put together.
Very few players are capable of having the ball at their feet. Almost nobody is capable of threading a pass. Most take at least 4 seconds to control the ball. We can't build from the back properly because our defenders aren't good with the ball. Our midfielders either. They have no technique. Our wide players are extremely limited going forward. Their crosses are even dreadful. And our forwards don't really compliment each other. Vlahovic's only ability is to shoot/finish, and Chiesa's only ability is to run with the ball on the counter.

This team hasn't been properly put together. To be sitting in second place is an overachievement. These three years you mention have been nothing but damage control. This summer will be the first one in a long time where the club is solid, with a bit of a budget, and a sporting director who'll try to better this team.

We'll see how that goes. But I promise you. I won't just be another Weah coming in.

Firstly I expect this team not to gain only 2 points against Verona, Empoli and Udinese almost in consecutive weeks. This team is capable of beating at least 3/4 of the sides in the league right??

I already expected minimal movement in the summer transfer window but fucking hell we have the likes of Chiesa and Vlahovic to build our attack around, Locatelli and Rabiot are experienced enough, and Bremer is one of the best defenders in Serie A. We already have players to build around and play to their strengths, had Allegri done that? for the most parts no. What I did expect with the lack of European football is Allegri using this spare time to really build a better mentality, a chance to actually impose a different style even, but we've seen none of that.

There's only so much excuse that can be made for Allegri, but like I said he had a clean slate this season, if anything he has no excuse not to show any improvements, why did we even hire Magnagnelli who is supposed to help with our style and possession only for Allegri to literally throw that idea out for some bullshit style where we can't even string 3 passes together, nothing is in sync between higher management, the coaching staff, the sporting director and Allegri, and its evident enough to me that Allegri is the one not willing to adapt or change to what the club seemingly would like to achieve, there for this year has been wasted, another rebuild year coming up next season again, and we'd be stupid as fuck to think Allegri is that man to lead it.

Don't forget how Allegri tried to fool us to thinking that he is "part of the solution, not the problem!" Those were his words! has he resolved anything this season? again no so he's the problem as I had suspected for a while.