I hate it too. But this isn’t really true. Singus, Maxi, Turk, Hydde, Byrny, etc been railing on about how he was terrible even then and just got lucky, or crediting Conte lol.
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Nah. We played much more possession oriented football then against everyone but the very best sides. We averaged 55% possession or better most of his first 5 years and only really played fully on the counterattack against teams like Madrid and Barca in CL.
This year we are averaging 45% possession and letting relegation zone teams push us. we completely cede control of things like pace and tempo to everyone.
He also continually adapted in the past, year to year, now it’s just stubborn same old shit matchday after matchday.
This year we are averaging 45% possession and letting relegation zone teams push us. we completely cede control of things like pace and tempo to everyone.
He also continually adapted in the past, year to year, now it’s just stubborn same old shit matchday after matchday.
Who mentioned Conte?
Nah, but Tevez won the CL with United and had more goals per minute in that CL campaign than he had in ours. Also he had more goals + assist per minute in City over those years than his 2 golden years here.
So saying that he had his best season here is definitely a stretch.
Same is the case for Higuain in Napoli. Same is the case for Morata. Morata surely enjoyed his playing time and star status here, but its not like these strikers showed a massive improvement when joining us. Mostly they stayed at the same level or regressed/retired, as was the original argument.
Nah, but Tevez won the CL with United and had more goals per minute in that CL campaign than he had in ours. Also he had more goals + assist per minute in City over those years than his 2 golden years here.
So saying that he had his best season here is definitely a stretch.
Same is the case for Higuain in Napoli. Same is the case for Morata. Morata surely enjoyed his playing time and star status here, but its not like these strikers showed a massive improvement when joining us. Mostly they stayed at the same level or regressed/retired, as was the original argument.
No, that isn't true. I supported the idea of firing him after 2018 when it was evident that he was in decline. I was even more so against the idea of bringing him back. Stating that Conte built a winning team isn't discrediting Allegri for what he achieved afterwards with that team. You're conflating the two.
As for the strikers you listed, only one truly shone here in the sense that he was fulfilling his capabilities to the maximum, and that was Tevez, nearly a decade ago now. Dybala had his moments but never truly reached his ceiling here (partly due to his own injury crisis and partly due to the setup he played under) and neither did Morata who was nothing special. Higuain wasn't the beast he was at Napoli, and so far Vlahovic is following in his footsteps. We haven't had a consistently good no. 9 finisher in a long time.
We've been stuck in this never-ending archaic 352 setup that renders traditional poachers like Vlahovic utterly useless because they are forced to play with their backs to goal, when they are simply not that kind of player. All because they are expected by their idiot of a manager to contribute to the defensive aspect of the game instead of having goalscoring opportunities fed to them through build up play. When your entire setup is to win 1-0, then traditional goal machines like Higuain and Vlaho become unecessary. No wonder we were after Lukaku. He's just another colossal lump of a player who brings additional physical presence to the team. He might score the one goal needed but his strength/physicality is valued more. Allegri has always preferred these players, it's nothing new.
As for the strikers you listed, only one truly shone here in the sense that he was fulfilling his capabilities to the maximum, and that was Tevez, nearly a decade ago now. Dybala had his moments but never truly reached his ceiling here (partly due to his own injury crisis and partly due to the setup he played under) and neither did Morata who was nothing special. Higuain wasn't the beast he was at Napoli, and so far Vlahovic is following in his footsteps. We haven't had a consistently good no. 9 finisher in a long time.
We've been stuck in this never-ending archaic 352 setup that renders traditional poachers like Vlahovic utterly useless because they are forced to play with their backs to goal, when they are simply not that kind of player. All because they are expected by their idiot of a manager to contribute to the defensive aspect of the game instead of having goalscoring opportunities fed to them through build up play. When your entire setup is to win 1-0, then traditional goal machines like Higuain and Vlaho become unecessary. No wonder we were after Lukaku. He's just another colossal lump of a player who brings additional physical presence to the team. He might score the one goal needed but his strength/physicality is valued more. Allegri has always preferred these players, it's nothing new.
Oh please? We set up to win 1-0 in 2017-18, as just one example? We outscored our opponents 86-24. Our average goalscoring in wins that season was like 2.5 goals.
And c’mon. Dybala absolutely did reach his ceiling here. He was brilliant for three seasons. He never had the pace or the touch to be the next Messi or whatever people imagined he might be… but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t brilliant. Higgy also had his second best season of his career.
And c’mon. Dybala absolutely did reach his ceiling here. He was brilliant for three seasons. He never had the pace or the touch to be the next Messi or whatever people imagined he might be… but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t brilliant. Higgy also had his second best season of his career.
Everyone, bar top teams, were letting us play possession style against them. That is the biggest change that happened to the game past couple of years. Almost there are no teams seating deep and soaking pressure in the football world today.
The change was evident even in his last year of first stint. That's why we were playing worst style that season. Allegri didn't adapt then and didn't adapt after five years. Hi is the same coach from first stint.
The change was evident even in his last year of first stint. That's why we were playing worst style that season. Allegri didn't adapt then and didn't adapt after five years. Hi is the same coach from first stint.
yeah, everyone just let us have the ball. the generosity of serie a was incredible back then.
come the fuck on mate.
we had pirlo and then pjanic at regista, and players like vidal, marchisio, pogba, khedira, matuidi, pre-cardiff bonucci, chiellini and other pretty good passers around them. now we have locatelli at regista. now he's not a brilliant regista to begin with, and besides him, the only good passer is.... who? mckennie from schalke? lol. even our relatively good players like rabiot or bremer don't have great passing skills. our best passer is probably fagioli, that's our level, man.
that's the main difference. we could still play much more proactively, that's a completely valid argument to make, but possession based football with this squad won't happen.
come the fuck on mate.
we had pirlo and then pjanic at regista, and players like vidal, marchisio, pogba, khedira, matuidi, pre-cardiff bonucci, chiellini and other pretty good passers around them. now we have locatelli at regista. now he's not a brilliant regista to begin with, and besides him, the only good passer is.... who? mckennie from schalke? lol. even our relatively good players like rabiot or bremer don't have great passing skills. our best passer is probably fagioli, that's our level, man.
that's the main difference. we could still play much more proactively, that's a completely valid argument to make, but possession based football with this squad won't happen.
He really isn’t. We’re just going to disagree there. The smaller teams that played possession and pressing against us between 2014-2019 generally failed miserably and got spanked by us. Between the players we had and the tactics we used it was far easier to nullify this currently trending style then. Now it seems like he’s not even trying.
And this silliness about playing the same style always is nonsense. It was his shift from struggling in a 3-5-2 in the first few months to a 4-3-1-2 in 2014-15 that led to such a brilliant season. And again in 2016-17 with the shift to 4-2-3-1 with Mandzu on the wing dominating and the Khedira-Pjanic double pivot controlling the middle of the pitch.
We have seen none of that sort of flexibility or ingenuity from Max these 2.5 seasons and it’s the biggest reason he should be sacked.
And this silliness about playing the same style always is nonsense. It was his shift from struggling in a 3-5-2 in the first few months to a 4-3-1-2 in 2014-15 that led to such a brilliant season. And again in 2016-17 with the shift to 4-2-3-1 with Mandzu on the wing dominating and the Khedira-Pjanic double pivot controlling the middle of the pitch.
We have seen none of that sort of flexibility or ingenuity from Max these 2.5 seasons and it’s the biggest reason he should be sacked.
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