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zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
The messaging in his first tenure was management supplies me with players, my job is to coach them.

The messaging since he’s come back from both him and management has been that they will work together on evaluating needs and purchase players on the market accordingly.

Amazing that the guys who called him a yes man and blaming for not asking for better players are the same ones now claiming it was Allegri who chose to have his best players sold. Lol
We are only guessing though :touched:
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
Pirlo
Record: 23-9-6, 78 points (2.05 per game), 4th in Serie A (1st Tier)
Home Record: 14-2-3, 44 points Away Record: 9-7-3, 34 points
Goals: 77 (2.03 per game), Goals Against: 38 (1.00 per game), Diff: 39
xG: 74.2, xGA: 38.2, Diff: 36.0

Most used 11 by minutes played
Ronaldo - Morata
Chiesa - Rabiot - Bentancur - Cuadrado
Sandro - De Ligt - Bonucci - Danilo
Szczesny

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Allegri
Record: 18-9-6, 63 points (1.91 per game), 4th in Serie A (1st Tier)
Home Record: 9-4-4, 31 points Away Record: 9-5-2, 32 points
Goals: 50 (1.52 per game), Goals Against: 29 (0.88 per game), Diff: 21
xG: 45.8, xGA: 30.7, Diff: 15.0

Most used 11 by minutes played
Morata - Dybala
Rabiot - Locatelli - Mckennie - Cuadrado
Sandro - Bonucci - De Ligt - Danilo
Szczesny

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And they keep on telling us that the squad is not good enough. Somehow a coach with 0 experience, no pre-season, no coaching stuff to start the job with was able to create a lot of goalscoring opportunities with them, just think about it - we've lost 30! points in expected goals with genius Allegri :rofl: But but but the players are not good enough :lol:
You just have to pray that Atalanta plays so badly in the 2nd half of the season otherwise Juventus wouldn't be in the top 4.
 
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Mar 9, 2006
29,039
I thought it was based on Klopp, make up your mind
Sure, in the first place it's Kloop's views and ideas but also Klopp's job in Liverpool is based on data that he's getting from these guys:
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/behind-the-badge/398645-ian-graham-liverpool-fc-behind-the-badge#:~:text=A decade-and-a-,Academy and, primarily, recruitment.
Pre-match, there’s a set of reports that James [French] and Greg [Mathieson] put together and then post-match there’s a similar thing that Harrison [Kingston] and Mark [Leyland] put together,” he describes.
“What we’ve built is a platform where the analysts can either look at the opposition analysis or post-match analysis from our point of view, so we’ve got expected goals models and expected possession value models that are linked to video to say: ‘This is what we thought was a dangerous situation.’
“We rarely work directly with the coaches, but the analysts’ department have got access to all of our stats resources and they use those in their reports and meetings.”
But while they may not share regular, day-to-day contact, those in Graham’s department feel connected to the coaching staff - thanks in no small part to Jürgen Klopp’s open-minded, inclusive style of management.
“Jürgen is very open and receptive to our area,” Graham notes.
“Just the fact that he is open to it and intuitively understands the numbers, that’s enough. And if there is anything in particular that needs addressing, we’re there for the coaches. We’ve done one-off bespoke pieces of work where they’re concerned about a particular area of play or want to know something about travel before a game and whether that affects performance.

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Same story with Pep
As he came to Bayern, the first thing he said was: “The match analysis department is the most important department for me.” The second thing was: “I see a big part of my work in the auditorium.” The auditorium is the place where he has video sessions. If you want to bring your ideas to the pitch, you have to use these technologies and you have to use match analysis.
 
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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Zidane won 3 straight CL and won La Liga twice playing pragmatic, balanced football.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2016/11/22/58346bc6468aeb81248b463c.html

This, of course, is not to say that the Frenchman's tactical knowledge isn't well developed, which it most certainly is, but rather that it isn't a central part of his strategy or philosophy. Advantages are developed elsewhere. His systems are simple so that his players have the freedom needed to prove their superiority.”

Simple systems so his players have the freedom needed to prove their superiority. Sounds like Allegri through his first tenure here.

These millenial Klopp-gegenpress-xGoals-analytics fanboys. So tedious. :lol:
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
You cant take PI and these Allegri throaters too seriously. They are not even confident that Allegri will perform better in CL with Juve than Conte with Tottenham in next few seasons.

And no-one here (or very very few) are even considering Conte as an interesting alternative to Allegri, there are many other modern coaches.

But the Allegri fanaticals and Tuz riders are constantly trying to make this a contest between Allegri and Sarri, Conte, Italiano and other bums, to win some sort of self-created argument. PI especially goes in circles with this. Soon we will hear about goal differentials as well or be reminded of 3-0 Barcelona.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
You cant take PI and these Allegri throaters too seriously. They are not even confident that Allegri will perform better in CL with Juve than Conte with Tottenham in next few seasons.

And no-one here (or very very few) are even considering Conte as an interesting alternative to Allegri, there are many other modern coaches.

But the Allegri fanaticals and Tuz riders are constantly trying to make this a contest between Allegri and Sarri, Conte, Italiano and other bums, to win some sort of self-created argument. PI especially goes in circles with this. Soon we will hear about goal differentials as well or be reminded of 3-0 Barcelona.
Yep, they invent facts that no one have said.

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Zidane won 3 straight CL and won La Liga twice playing pragmatic, balanced football.

https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2016/11/22/58346bc6468aeb81248b463c.html

This, of course, is not to say that the Frenchman's tactical knowledge isn't well developed, which it most certainly is, but rather that it isn't a central part of his strategy or philosophy. Advantages are developed elsewhere. His systems are simple so that his players have the freedom needed to prove their superiority.”

Simple systems so his players have the freedom needed to prove their superiority. Sounds like Allegri through his first tenure here.

These millenial Klopp-gegenpress-xGoals-analytics fanboys. So tedious. :lol:
What a dummy. Klopp's and Pep's system are not simple? On a paper It's just 433, same 433 that Zizou has been using in his Madrid's days. What about your genius allegri then? 4312 ? 442 flat with 4 central midfielders? 442 with rabiot as LM/LCM? Fullbacks that are supposed to stay at the back instead of pushing up the field? If anyone then it's him who turns simple things into the complicated one.
 
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singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
Allegri has taken his throaters on quite the ride :D People like JCK, Vlad and PI went all in (or Allegri did), and now with questionable results and pathetic excuses for bunkering down against Serie A minnows, turned them into a poor gang of supporters that even Sarri would be jealous of having by his side. Bunch of desperate Sarriboiz! :anon:
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
So you are and your bunch happy we lost 0-3 against fckn Villareal in UCL and Juventus out of title race in direct showdown with Inter ?
I hope you all change your favorite club and follow Allegri wherever he will
Also don't forget - we were unlucky against Villarreal but Fiorentina that has had 40 shots in 2 matches against Juve were outplayed and outsmarted by Allegri
 
Jun 6, 2015
11,391
Pirlo
Record: 23-9-6, 78 points (2.05 per game), 4th in Serie A (1st Tier)
Home Record: 14-2-3, 44 points Away Record: 9-7-3, 34 points
Goals: 77 (2.03 per game), Goals Against: 38 (1.00 per game), Diff: 39
xG: 74.2, xGA: 38.2, Diff: 36.0

Most used 11 by minutes played
Ronaldo - Morata
Chiesa - Rabiot - Bentancur - Cuadrado
Sandro - De Ligt - Bonucci - Danilo
Szczesny

qwe.jpg


Allegri
Record: 18-9-6, 63 points (1.91 per game), 4th in Serie A (1st Tier)
Home Record: 9-4-4, 31 points Away Record: 9-5-2, 32 points
Goals: 50 (1.52 per game), Goals Against: 29 (0.88 per game), Diff: 21
xG: 45.8, xGA: 30.7, Diff: 15.0

Most used 11 by minutes played
Morata - Dybala
Rabiot - Locatelli - Mckennie - Cuadrado
Sandro - Bonucci - De Ligt - Danilo
Szczesny

qweqwe.jpg


And they keep on telling us that the squad is not good enough. Somehow a coach with 0 experience, no pre-season, no coaching stuff to start the job with was able to create a lot of goalscoring opportunities with them, just think about it - we've lost 30! points in expected goals with genius Allegri :rofl: But but but the players are not good enough :lol:
You just have to pray that Atalanta plays so badly in the 2nd half of the season otherwise Juventus wouldn't be in the top 4.
xG does not show the amount of goalscoring opportunities. I'm all for using stats but at least try to understand them before making erroneous conclusions based on them.
 

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