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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
Stats is the modern way to interpreting and evaluating what really happen on the field
Big and modern club will have analyst for their performance through that kind of stats, if they look the club has high xG and low output there is some decision to be made, what kind of training to improve the players , what kind of players that need to be acquired to increase the possibility to convert

Those who laugh at these is a bunch of fools that can only say calma and trust the process while we dont even really know what process and routine their did when the club sometime play bad, sometime okay, sometime good, sometime abysma
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,802
Stats is the modern way to interpreting and evaluating what really happen on the field
Big and modern club will have analyst for their performance through that kind of stats, if they look the club has high xG and low output there is some decision to be made, what kind of training to improve the players , what kind of players that need to be acquired to increase the possibility to convert

Those who laugh at these is a bunch of fools that can only say calma and trust the process while we dont even really know what process and routine their did when the club sometime play bad, sometime okay, sometime good, sometime abysma
No
 
Oct 17, 2005
121
We are stuck with him for 3 more years unfortunately.
Not really because Allegri has at best peaked at and then stagnated since 2015 or regressed since 2017, I've seen enough about Allegri to see that he's not the guy to lead the club forward

Allegri, Conte and Capello belong in the same category for Juve : never again.

The management is to blame for this, and for our transfer policy... And also for the club general mentality like being allergic to young and technical attacking minded players.
 

rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
Not really because Allegri has at best peaked at and then stagnated since 2015 or regressed since 2017, I've seen enough about Allegri to see that he's not the guy to lead the club forward

Allegri, Conte and Capello belong in the same category for Juve : never again.

The management is to blame for this, and for our transfer policy... And also for the club general mentality like being allergic to young and technical attacking minded players.
I think the transfer policy since Arrivabene and Bini will bring stability in the long term, but still not the high talents that we inspired about. Time will tell
We are somehow overpay in Vlahovic transfer, but that what you get when you are in a need for a strong striker

For this club to leap forward we need to be the one to find those gems before they explode while we keeping the best talent, and the others can come and go as long as we get big return from our initial investments

And one big fuckin problem with Allegri system we rarely did goal galore games, which is can significantly affect our players value in the eyes of suitor. We don't even win against our direct competitor this season so what to be shown to the world?
 
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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
Let's put xGoals and Goal for of big clubs like Madrid, City, Liverpool and compare with our xG and goal for
You still can laugh your ass about what Allegri achieve then you are true Allegri apologist

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City 71.8 xg -> 75 goals
Livepool 76.8 xg -> 83 goals
Chelsea 53.6 xg -> 66 goals
Tottenham 53 xg -> 56 goals


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Milan 52.3 xG -> 58 goals
Inter 66.2 xG -> 68 goals
Napoli 50.7 xG ->59 goals
Juventus 45.8 xG -> 50 goals

That is how far behind our clubs maybe Serie A to from EPL, we will in the same position with Man Utd if there are club like City and/or Liverpool in Serie A
 
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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
4,365
Because our squad is on the same level as Liverpool/Man City/Madrid/Bayern squads. :rofl:
The only problem is even with the same level squad Allegri can't play as the same level as those too because of his limitation
This squad is actually capable enough to be one in the title race at least til the end of the season (last match) if we play up to their standards and injury free

With those high numbers injury, we can always see bad luck (get rough tackle from opponent) or lack of pevention (muscular injuris to become fatal injuries)
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
Let's put xGoals and Goal for of big clubs like Madrid, City, Liverpool and compare with our xG and goal for
You still can laugh your ass about what Allegri achieve then you are true Allegri apologist

1650588079512.png


City 71.8 xg -> 75 goals
Livepool 76.8 xg -> 83 goals
Chelsea 53.6 xg -> 66 goals
Tottenham 53 xg -> 56 goals


1650588123404.png


Milan 52.3 xG -> 58 goals
Inter 66.2 xG -> 68 goals
Napoli 50.7 xG ->59 goals
Juventus 45.8 xG -> 50 goals

That is how far behind our clubs maybe Serie A to from EPL, we will in the same position with Man Utd if there are club like City and/or Liverpool in Serie A
Are these from statsbomb Or opta?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
The only problem is even with the same level squad Allegri can't play as the same level as those too because of his limitation
This squad is actually capable enough to be one in the title race at least til the end of the season (last match) if we play up to their standards and injury free

With those high numbers injury, we can always see bad luck (get rough tackle from opponent) or lack of pevention (muscular injuris to become fatal injuries)
You’re embarrassing :lol:
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
We are both guessing whether he was satisfied and influencing the decision-making of the club or not. He was here for years and eventually replaced majority of Conte's team bit by bit. Don't pretend that you know he wasn't aligned to it. He could be a yes man and secretly against the transfer strategy or he could be a yes man and a supporter of the transfer strategy.

I don't understand where you get this confidence that he wasn't on-side for it. We are speculating. My speculation from the context is that the guy stayed for half a decade, left and after agreeing to join Madrid came back running the moment Juve made contact. All signs of someone who is really on side with the decision making at the top. Not exactly what you'd expect from someone who just tolerates the bad decisions or suffers in silence.
We are not guessing, you are. Evidence points towards this club doing transfers on their own. Even Allegris return and the message upon arrival spells it out for you, he will now wield more power in the transfermarkt, for better or worse. But during his first spell, it was the club:
-Conte left because of it
-Same people remained in charge
-Allegri never had a tantrum with a management, at Juve or Milan

Heck, he was called yes man for years here. So stop with your silly agenda and accept reality
 
Oct 17, 2005
121
And one big fuckin problem with Allegri system we rarely did goal galore games, which is can significantly affect our players value in the eyes of suitor. We don't even win against our direct competitor this season so what to be shown to the world?
That goes for the whole serie a in general, I'm playing FM 22 with realism modpack that uses research data and Transfermarkt etc for players stats and values, and I can see that Italy is just undervalued, talents from Italian leagues are not valued as high as from other leagues both in stats and transfer value.

One of the reasons is obvious, Italian football in general just doesn't play modern flashy football, the emphasis on playing it safe first simply doesn't let the players being as flashy as in leagues like Germany, France and Spain and thus not making the 21st century data mining system register enough output from players playing in Italian leagues and hence the worse perceived talents...

Italy just has it so outdated and backward when it comes to managing their supposedly number one religion...
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
We are not guessing, you are. Evidence points towards this club doing transfers on their own. Even Allegris return and the message upon arrival spells it out for you, he will now wield more power in the transfermarkt, for better or worse. But during his first spell, it was the club:
-Conte left because of it
-Same people remained in charge
-Allegri never had a tantrum with a management, at Juve or Milan

Heck, he was called yes man for years here. So stop with your silly agenda and accept reality
The messaging in his first tenure was management supplies me with players, my job is to coach them.

The messaging since he’s come back from both him and management has been that they will work together on evaluating needs and purchase players on the market accordingly.

Amazing that the guys who called him a yes man and blaming for not asking for better players are the same ones now claiming it was Allegri who chose to have his best players sold. Lol
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
“We were butchered by Fiorentina in both matches”

3 goals scored 0 goals conceded

Butchered
Butchere
Butcher
Butche
Butch
Butc
But
Bu
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RUS you high son.
And then you telling me that Juventus was unlucky against Villarreal, that "we should have scored our chances" but when it's fiorentina that was unable to score from 40 shots in 2 legs it's Allegri's masterpiece, you are just a bunch of hypocrites, Allegri's fanboys.
 
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