Massimiliano Allegri (233 Viewers)

[JuveE46]

Not much to argue about here. Even though I don't rate him too high for this season, I think there's some questionable decisions he has made but it's only fair he gets another shot next season...I say this mostly because of the injuries etc. Very hard for a coach to get the chemistry and consistency of a team down when some factors change constantly..
Let him have a better squad with some more purchases, let him get Chiesa back etc and let's see what comes of it...
But if we are where we are now next season he has to go. I'm talking about the league, in CL I'd give him another year on top of that to show something solid.

 

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[Juventino[RUS]]

Stop lying out of your ass.

Who the fuck uses understat - fbref is getting data from statsbomb and datasportsgroup

 

[s4tch]

Apart from Di Canio, Vialli its hard to name any italian that succeeded in the EPL. Ravanelli has had 1 great season.

zola is the most obvious one, but feel free to continue. panucci also had a good spell at chelsea.

also, pls google how many quality italians played there, especially in their prime (so pls ignore materazzi)

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

zola is the most obvious one, but feel free to continue. panucci also had a good spell at chelsea.

also, pls google how many quality italians played there, especially in their prime (so pls ignore materazzi)

So? Cutrone also was there, my point is that 95% of italians have failed to deliver something in the EPL. Zola, Vialli, Di Canio are the best, we might add Jorginho because of the UCL trophy and that's it. Do you remember TAIBI? The Merchant of Venice or Macheda

 

[Vlad]

zola is the most obvious one, but feel free to continue. panucci also had a good spell at chelsea.

also, pls google how many quality italians played there, especially in their prime (so pls ignore materazzi)

Indeed. The best Italian players will prefer to stay at home. Zola only left because after missing penalty at Euro 96, he faced too much pressure at home and he was hitting 30s. Vialli and Ravanelli were let go by Juve since they were deemed too old and we focused on younger players like Del Piero at that time. The ones that leave are jabronis that scored a good contract, like Kean and previously posted list, but quickly are found out and shipped back.

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Taibi terrible and error prone goalie

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Who the fuck uses understat - fbref is getting data from statsbomb and datasportsgroup

Who tf uses bombstat?

 

[juve123]

Stop lying out of your ass.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Indeed. The best Italian players will prefer to stay at home. Zola only left because after missing penalty at Euro 96, he faced too much pressure at home and he was hitting 30s. Vialli and Ravanelli were let go by Juve since they were deemed too old and we focused on younger players like Del Piero at that time. The ones that leave are jabronis that scored a good contract, like Kean and previously posted list, but quickly are found out and shipped back.

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Taibi terrible and error prone goalie

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Who tf uses bombstat?

https://datasportsgroup.com/
https://statsbomb.com/

 

[s4tch]

So? Cutrone also was there, my point is that 95% of italians have failed to deliver something in the EPL. Zola, Vialli, Di Canio are the best, we might add Jorginho because of the UCL trophy and that's it. Do you remember TAIBI? The Merchant of Venice or Macheda

the majority of those very same italians also failed wherever they went. quality italians rarely played in england, that's the point you fail to understand, and that's why your argument is invalid, again.

to put it simply, the majority of those italians who played in england were jabronis in first place. of course they failed. the majority of english players failed in italy too, only because the best english players get a good enough contract in the pl. same applies to the italians too. we might see some of the best italians being tempted by big paychecks in england very soon, but it was never the case so far. del piero, buffon, maldini, baresi, baggio, pirlo, totti (etc) never played there and for a reason. pelle, maccarone, corradi (etc) tried their luck there, and for a reason.

now, kean isn't a shit player, but he's suited for one specific role. he doesn't suit the current juventus, plain and simple.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

the majority of those very same italians also failed wherever they went. quality italians rarely played in england, that's the point you fail to understand, and that's why your argument is invalid, again.

to put it simply, the majority of those italians who played in england were jabronis in first place. of course they failed. the majority of english players failed in italy too, only because the best english players get a good enough contract in the pl. same applies to the italians too. we might see some of the best italians being tempted by big paychecks in england very soon, but it was never the case so far. del piero, buffon, maldini, baresi, baggio, pirlo, totti (etc) never played there and for a reason. pelle, maccarone, corradi (etc) tried their luck there, and for a reason.

now, kean isn't a shit player, but he's suited for one specific role. he doesn't suit the current juventus, plain and simple.

Balotelli was probably the best italian talent in the past 20 years, Aquilani, Cutrone and Kean were signed as young promising talents too but were unable to perform good in the EPL. One thing is loaning Ranocchia for 6 months, another thing is buying Kean for 27 millions. Ranocchia, Taibi, Zappacosta, Giaccherini etc. are aboslutely different story.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Indeed. The best Italian players will prefer to stay at home. Zola only left because after missing penalty at Euro 96, he faced too much pressure at home and he was hitting 30s. Vialli and Ravanelli were let go by Juve since they were deemed too old and we focused on younger players like Del Piero at that time. The ones that leave are jabronis that scored a good contract, like Kean and previously posted list, but quickly are found out and shipped back.

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Taibi terrible and error prone goalie

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Who tf uses bombstat?

Taibi

The guy who was so awful the Man United fans nicknamed him “The Blind Venetian”

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Taibi

The guy who was so awful the Man United fans nicknamed him “The Blind Venetian”

In russia he was named the merchant of venice Who the fuck tricked Sir Alex to sign him

 

[Hist]

Because you can NOT simply compare points in one season with points in another season. Different opponents, different influencing factors (Ronaldo, Chiesa, Chiellini, Bonucci eg.). It says literally nothing.

Also, him being paid millions is something else his haters use. That doesn't mean his job got any easier. But keep on twisting.

The lamest thing is people still not realising it's a squad problem instead of a coaching problem after 4 seasons of regression with different coaches... Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach. Just a thought.

Its not an exact science but it doesn't say nothing. You can totally do a legitimate and useful analysis provided that you call out the main differentiating factors.


With the supposed difference in coach quality we should have seen a large improvement all things considered. No Ronaldo but we also bought players, Inter had a sell-off and Atlanta collapsed entirely.

"Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach" - whats the indication that this has not been happening? This is not Allegri's first rodeo here and the team still declined in the Beppe and then Tici era.

4 seasons of regression with different coaches could be also due to not hiring the right coaches. Its not like Sarri or Pirlo or Allegri went on to achieve great things when we let them go and struggled only with Juve.

Same for United (if you are thinking of that example). Neither Moyes nor Mou nor Van Gaal nor Ole went on to do great things. They were/are finished at that level.

 

[Post Ironic]

Balotelli was the best Italian talent in 20 years now?

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Taibi

The guy who was so awful the Man United fans nicknamed him “The Blind Venetian”

RUS wasn’t even alive to watch most of these players. He has no idea what he’s talking about

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Indeed. The best Italian players will prefer to stay at home. Zola only left because after missing penalty at Euro 96, he faced too much pressure at home and he was hitting 30s. Vialli and Ravanelli were let go by Juve since they were deemed too old and we focused on younger players like Del Piero at that time. The ones that leave are jabronis that scored a good contract, like Kean and previously posted list, but quickly are found out and shipped back.

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Taibi terrible and error prone goalie

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Who tf uses bombstat?

RUS: “My xGoals site is more accurate than yours cause it says Allegri is doing worse.”

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Not much to argue about here. Even though I don't rate him too high for this season, I think there's some questionable decisions he has made but it's only fair he gets another shot next season...I say this mostly because of the injuries etc. Very hard for a coach to get the chemistry and consistency of a team down when some factors change constantly..
Let him have a better squad with some more purchases, let him get Chiesa back etc and let's see what comes of it...
But if we are where we are now next season he has to go. I'm talking about the league, in CL I'd give him another year on top of that to show something solid.

I don’t think any of us Allegri “throaters” have said different. This season is a disappointment for a multitude of reasons and Allegri is one of them, but he will and should be given a measure of patience because of what he accomplished in the past. However, if we go through next season without seeing marked improvement (at least in results and hopefully in performances too) in both league and CL he has to go. I want scudetto and CL QFs (Rof16 opponent dependent).

 

[rainhard]

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[cimenk]

This shit about points tally is so lame. No season is alike; the subtop has definitely improved this season. So yeah points tally, etc. is all bullshit, the position in the standing is the only thing that matters.

I was one of the few guys who denied Pirlo being the main culprit and got overwhelmed with stupid reactions.... Everybody said Allegri would challenge for the scudetto with this bunch. A lot of them still don't see the squad as the main reason which is laughable at this point.

We came from 9th season scudetto in a row when Pirlo's came so the expectation is different that time when we lost the title. Now Allegri has less pressure than Pirlo's. That's why some of the fans can accept the position now and we can say we need to fix the squad first for Allegri.

Yes, Position which matter most in Serie A now, but the performance are worrying. Competition in Serie A was tougher last year than this year from total points in Top 5, Inter's Conte, Atalanta's form. Our head to head against top opposition also very bad this season. We can't won against Inter, Milan, Napoli, Atalanta. Last season we still can won against Inter (2W, 1D, 1L), Milan (1W, 1L), Napoli (1W 1L), Atalanta (1W, 1D, 1L) including Coppa.

 

[Hydde]

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[Juventino[RUS]]

Balotelli was the best Italian talent in 20 years now?

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RUS wasn’t even alive to watch most of these players. He has no idea what he’s talking about

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RUS: “My xGoals site is more accurate than yours cause it says Allegri is doing worse.”

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I don’t think any of us Allegri “throaters” have said different. This season is a disappointment for a multitude of reasons and Allegri is one of them, but he will and should be given a measure of patience because of what he accomplished in the past. However, if we go through next season without seeing marked improvement (at least in results and hopefully in performances too) in both league and CL he has to go. I want scudetto and CL QFs (Rof16 opponent dependent).

1) Who else if not him? Miccoli? Santon? Verratti? Aquilani? Cutrone? Locatelli? Pazzini? Giovinco? Who? Balotelli would have been a world class if his not attitude towards everything.

2) i'm pretty old, I even watched Juventus - Ajax final as a kid and that was the day when i became a Juventino.

3) You didn't even check the understat.com website, didn't it? Because if you've checked it then you would see that Pirlo's numbers there are even higher than on fbref.com:

https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2017

21/22 Juventus xG 55.5 Allegri
20/21 Juventus xG 83.5 Pirlo
19/20 Juventus xG 73.7 Sarri
18/19 Juventus xG 64.5 Allegri
17/18 Juventus xG 59.3 Allegri

Fbref.com

21/22 Juventus xG 45.8 Allegri
20/21 Juventus xG 74.2 Pirlo
19/20 Juventus xG 68.7 Sarri
18/19 Juventus xG 58.2 Allegri
17/18 Juventus xG 59.8 Allegri

The Understat's neural network counts everything in its own way but they are absolutely identical and agree on one thing - Allegri is the worst coach out of three in terms of building a game in attack, in creating chances - Allegri's Juventus is the WORST by creating opportunities to score, you boys just never admit when you shit your own pants.

"DoEsN't SuIt YoUr AgEnDa"
"My xGoAlS sItE iS mOrE aCcUrAte"

 

[Robee]

Let's just pass on the fact our best attacking player from last season got injured for 6-9 months together with a few months out for our best midfielder and defender from last season and blame Allegri because... stats.

 

[Lion]

but he wasn't the best player last season. he wasn't even the best player this season when he was fit

 

[Post Ironic]

Let's just pass on the fact our best attacking player from last season got injured for 6-9 months together with a few months out for our best midfielder and defender from last season and blame Allegri because... stats.

Shows how useful xGoals is as a stat also when we scored 86 goals in the league in 2017-18 but xGoals says we should have scored 59.

I wonder why Allegri’s teams consistently hugely outperformed their “xGoals” while Sarri and Pirlo didn’t. They both had Dybala and Ronaldo. Sarri had Higuain too. Maybe because xGoals is mostly meaningless.