Massimiliano Allegri (231 Viewers)

[ilmetronome]

Don't get me wrong. I am ok with dionisi or tudor. But i seriously doubt that we will go for a big name coach. I mentioned one day we should get tedesco in bundesliga thread but he is on expensive wages now.
Bini and bene try to fix our current financial ruined by covid and paratici. Bet on high wages coach, while stil paying allegri wages and our really need reinforcement squad, is the opposite way to what Bini Bene do now.
Exor money? They already invest nearly 700m over 2 years. And only small amount of them go to mercato.

Lets say hiring zidane. And what after that? Buying cheap jabroni like emerson, bonaventura, and romagnoli?

 

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[Robee]

I'm gonna reserve my judgement on him until the end of the season but I know one thing and not equaling pirlo's point tally from last season is a huge disappointment.
Not winning the CI is going to mean STREET.
At the moment there is nothing in our play that can be considered an improvement on last season.
I also like to extend my sincere apologieses to Pirlo for bashing him last season. He did the best he can with what he had and still got the sack. In hindsight poor and ungrateful way to go out.

Also it should be pointed out that us still being 4th is a testament of competition under performing or getting weaker, while we staying the same or suffering a low dip compared to them.

This shit about points tally is so lame. No season is alike; the subtop has definitely improved this season. So yeah points tally, etc. is all bullshit, the position in the standing is the only thing that matters.

I was one of the few guys who denied Pirlo being the main culprit and got overwhelmed with stupid reactions.... Everybody said Allegri would challenge for the scudetto with this bunch. A lot of them still don't see the squad as the main reason which is laughable at this point.

 

[LordBendtner]

When thinking back I’ve seen some of the craziest turnaround games with Allegri from a tactical point, which undeniably have been beautiful to watch. Like that game against Barca 2nd leg, that almost game against Real and also Bayern Munich. Unfortunately the squad wasn’t complete, we missed that little edge that the top teams had/have to make the difference. We bring in cr7 with no budget to build the rest of the squad, well you know the rest. I believe Allegri will turn this shit around if he for once gets to pick exactly what he needs. He’s a good tactician and can play beautiful too. He would’ve not been my first choice for a modern Juve, but having him on a 4 year deal it is what it is. I would sack him if he trashes next season.

 

[Clamarc]

This shit about points tally is so lame. No season is alike; the subtop has definitely improved this season. So yeah points tally, etc. is all bullshit, the position in the standing is the only thing that matters.

I was one of the few guys who denied Pirlo being the main culprit and got overwhelmed with stupid reactions.... Everybody said Allegri would challenge for the scudetto with this bunch. A lot of them still don't see the squad as the main reason which is laughable at this point.

Why is it lame? He's the highest paid manager in the league, an experienced coach and he was brought here to do better than a rookie coach Pirlo but he fails, potentially won't win anything this season.
The only thing that lame is excuses the Allegri fans come up with

 

[juve123]

This shit about points tally is so lame. No season is alike; the subtop has definitely improved this season. So yeah points tally, etc. is all bullshit, the position in the standing is the only thing that matters.

I was one of the few guys who denied Pirlo being the main culprit and got overwhelmed with stupid reactions.... Everybody said Allegri would challenge for the scudetto with this bunch. A lot of them still don't see the squad as the main reason which is laughable at this point.

Yeah with Ronaldo factor in a dysfunctional team.

 

[Robee]

Why is it lame? He's the highest paid manager in the league, an experienced coach and he was brought here to do better than a rookie coach Pirlo but he fails, potentially won't win anything this season.
The only thing that lame is excuses the Allegri fans come up with

Because you can NOT simply compare points in one season with points in another season. Different opponents, different influencing factors (Ronaldo, Chiesa, Chiellini, Bonucci eg.). It says literally nothing.

Also, him being paid millions is something else his haters use. That doesn't mean his job got any easier. But keep on twisting.

The lamest thing is people still not realising it's a squad problem instead of a coaching problem after 4 seasons of regression with different coaches... Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach. Just a thought.

 

[rainhard]

Because you can NOT simply compare points in one season with points in another season. Different opponents, different influencing factors (Ronaldo, Chiesa, Chiellini, Bonucci eg.). It says literally nothing.

Also, him being paid millions is something else his haters use. That doesn't mean his job got any easier. But keep on twisting.

The lamest thing is people still not realising it's a squad problem instead of a coaching problem after 4 seasons of regression with different coaches... Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach. Just a thought.

How about title? How about performance?

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[Robee]

How about title? How about performance?

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I don't care about performances. It's all subjective. Winning isn't and we're still aiming for the Coppa. Hold your horses 'till after the season.

 

[Clamarc]

Because you can NOT simply compare points in one season with points in another season. Different opponents, different influencing factors (Ronaldo, Chiesa, Chiellini, Bonucci eg.). It says literally nothing.

Also, him being paid millions is something else his haters use. That doesn't mean his job got any easier. But keep on twisting.

The lamest thing is people still not realising it's a squad problem instead of a coaching problem after 4 seasons of regression with different coaches... Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach. Just a thought.

You miss the point. Him being paid millions means management trust him to do better than the season Pirlo had. Otherwise what was the point of bringing him back and made him the highest paid coach?
I can accept poor season if he at least set foundation for the team, give the team clear identity and gameplan. But he hasn't done anything

 

[Juvellino]

Allegri has disappointed in his first year back but to compare him to Pirlo is comparing apples and oranges because Pirlo had Ronaldo. Also it’s not as if Pirlo even had a good year, none of us celebrated the Coppa or Supercoppa victories and we never played anywhere close to the beautiful football that was promised. If anything we played without any style whatsoever. We had the bad defending of an “attacking team” without the attacking quality. So it was pointless.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Because you can NOT simply compare points in one season with points in another season. Different opponents, different influencing factors (Ronaldo, Chiesa, Chiellini, Bonucci eg.). It says literally nothing.

Also, him being paid millions is something else his haters use. That doesn't mean his job got any easier. But keep on twisting.

The lamest thing is people still not realising it's a squad problem instead of a coaching problem after 4 seasons of regression with different coaches... Maybe for once we should actually plan a mercato with the coach. Just a thought.

I fully agree with the first part. There are so many variations it’s hard to compare seasons.

Now while I agree the major issue is certainly the squad I’ll play devil’s advocate and argue that if we’re to believe it’s just the players then we’re saying all the mid/bottom table we lost points to have better squads. Which is absolutely untrue.

Matter of fact if you look at the standings now we REALLY could’ve fought for the scudetto. If only we didn’t fuck up so much against smaller teams with much smaller budgets and nowhere near talent wise. It really goes to show how weak Serie A is when even a team with no working system could’ve won the scudetto with a little more effort.

 

[Clamarc]

Ah using Ronaldo excuse card

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...iled-dig-Ronaldo-insisting-Juventus-team.html

inb4 it's dailymail

No one said Pirlo had a good season but he had better season than Allegreat for sure

 

[JuvePerSempre10]

Ah using Ronaldo excuse card

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...iled-dig-Ronaldo-insisting-Juventus-team.html

inb4 it's dailymail

No one said Pirlo had a good season but he had better season than Allegreat for sure

You know we were 5th on round 37 last year right and needed a miracle from Verona to qualify for the CL? That was WITH Chiesa and guaranteed 25+ goals from Ronaldo. This season we played an entire half season without a strike.

 

[juve123]

You know we were 5th on round 37 last year right and needed a miracle from Verona to qualify for the CL? That was WITH Chiesa and guaranteed 25+ goals from Ronaldo. This season we played an entire half season without a strike.

Even when we were winning with Allegri these haters were unhappy now it is meaningless arguing with them. Matchday 24 was Vlahovic debut so it is more than half of the season we played without a number 9.

 

[Robee]

You miss the point. Him being paid millions means management trust him to do better than the season Pirlo had. Otherwise what was the point of bringing him back and made him the highest paid coach?
I can accept poor season if he at least set foundation for the team, give the team clear identity and gameplan. But he hasn't done anything

No; you're missing the point. He signed a 5 year contract to rebuild LONG TERM and you're judging when the first season -filled with obstacles- isn't even done yet.

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I fully agree with the first part. There are so many variations it’s hard to compare seasons.

Now while I agree the major issue is certainly the squad I’ll play devil’s advocate and argue that if we’re to believe it’s just the players then we’re saying all the mid/bottom table we lost points to have better squads. Which is absolutely untrue.

Matter of fact if you look at the standings now we REALLY could’ve fought for the scudetto. If only we didn’t fuck up so much against smaller teams with much smaller budgets and nowhere near talent wise. It really goes to show how weak Serie A is when even a team with no working system could’ve won the scudetto with a little more effort.

No, we're not. All those mid/bottom teams are behind us in the standings. Don't base anything on one or two games. And everyone drops points against smaller teams. Simple as that.

We also didn't win a single game against top-4 teams so the 'dropping points against the small sides' was far from the only issue. We might have competed if Chiesa remained healthy imo but this attack is completely toothless.

 

[Post Ironic]

No; you're missing the point. He signed a 5 year contract to rebuild LONG TERM and you're judging when the first season -filled with obstacles- isn't even done yet.

Literally everyone involved with club saying it’s the transition year into a new long term project… and these guys just keep babbling on like that isn’t the reality. Lol

 

[maxi]

Guy was literally given Europe's next big striker in January and he couldn't do shit with him. But but but Ronaldo, it's his fault we're not winning the league. The same Ronaldo who is averaging fewer goals per 90mins than Dusan this season. How could we ever think about competing against league-leaders Milan, who have the mighty 35-year-old Giroud leading their attack, without Ronaldo on our team? Its unthinkable.

 

[JuveJay]

Ah using Ronaldo excuse card

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...iled-dig-Ronaldo-insisting-Juventus-team.html

inb4 it's dailymail

No one said Pirlo had a good season but he had better season than Allegreat for sure

Thanks for the two month old article.

 

[IlCapitano]

Guy was literally given Europe's next big striker in January and he couldn't do shit with him. But but but Ronaldo, it's his fault we're not winning the league. The same Ronaldo who is averaging fewer goals per 90mins than Dusan this season. How could we ever think about competing against league-leaders Milan, who have the mighty 35-year-old Giroud leading their attack, without Ronaldo on our team? Its unthinkable.

What on earth are you talking about?

First of all Vlahović has been very underwhelming in a lot of these games through no fault of the coach or teammates.

Second of all - even with that and pressures of new and bigger club Vlahović has scored 6 goals in 9 games so far. That is a 25 goals season over 38 games. Morata and Kean can combine their tally, double it and it still wouldn't come to 25 goals.

We needed a striker WITH Ronaldo, then Ronaldo left without replacement. DV debuted in 24th round lol

Nonsense all around

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

What on earth are you talking about?

First of all Vlahović has been very underwhelming in a lot of these games through no fault of the coach or teammates.

Second of all - even with that and pressures of new and bigger club Vlahović has scored 6 goals in 9 games so far. That is a 25 goals season over 38 games. Morata and Kean can combine their tally, double it and it still wouldn't come to 25 goals.

We needed a striker WITH Ronaldo, then Ronaldo left without replacement. DV debuted in 24th round lol

Nonsense all around

With a proper coach Kean would have scored his 10-15 goals, that what he was signed for as a back up forward. Same story with Morata - 20 g 11 assists with Pirlo, barely 10 goals with Allegri, but surely it's not the coach and his poor tactics but poor players who can't score and deliver, he even turned Morata into winger