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Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
7,028
With a proper coach Kean would have scored his 10-15 goals, that what he was signed for as a back up forward. Same story with Morata - 20 g 11 assists with Pirlo, barely 10 goals with Allegri, but surely it's not the coach and his poor tactics but poor players who can't score and deliver, he even turned Morata into winger :lol:
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Allegri is so bad, man. He even made Cuads miss in front of an empty net.
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,767
What on earth are you talking about?

First of all Vlahović has been very underwhelming in a lot of these games through no fault of the coach or teammates.
Another joke please

We needed a striker WITH Ronaldo, then Ronaldo left without replacement. DV debuted in 24th round lol

Nonsense all around
Sarri didn't have a striker WITH Ronaldo either (and don't you dare say Higuain), yet he still won the league, so what's your point? This whole discussion has been centered around how Allegri is apparently getting 'unfair treatment' because he didn't have the same luxury of having Ronaldo that his predecessors had. Vlahovic was supposed to come in and rectify the void left by Ronaldo, precisely because of his goalscoring record, yet what good has that done for us in terms of our standings? Nothing. I don't doubt his ability at all, but don't tell me that after witnessing yourself 0 goals on target during the first half against flipping Bologna, there isn't a problem with our system of play. Only one person is responsible for that, and you stubbornly refuse to admit it.

And then you complain about 'talking nonsense' lol. Soon Allegroids will tell us that Allegri needs Mbappe AND Haaland for his plan to work, and that we're being unreasonable for judging him without them in our team.
 

Robee

Senior Member
Jun 21, 2011
7,028
Higuain was a great complementary striker to Ronaldo, dude.

In the standings? Well: we're comfortably fourth. Pirlo needed Napoli to drop points on the last matchday if you're memory is showing signs of deteriorating. Remember the ball on the crossbar in the dying seconds...

Only one person is responsible for that, and you stubbornly refuse to admit it.
Paratici, we all know.
 
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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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With a proper coach Kean would have scored his 10-15 goals, that what he was signed for as a back up forward. Same story with Morata - 20 g 11 assists with Pirlo, barely 10 goals with Allegri, but surely it's not the coach and his poor tactics but poor players who can't score and deliver, he even turned Morata into winger :lol:
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that was morata's best season with pirlo

by your logic, pirlo is the tactically best prepared coach who ever coached morata. so pirlo >>> ancelotti, zidane, allegri, mourinho or conte.

also, allegri made kean a 1st division player who earned himself a good contract with everton. then failed there even when ancelotti (a proper coach maybe, right?) coached him. so there's that too.

you really make the worst possible conclusions based on all facts available for everyone. please continue.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
that was morata's best season with pirlo

by your logic, pirlo is the tactically best prepared coach who ever coached morata. so pirlo >>> ancelotti, zidane, allegri, mourinho or conte.

also, allegri made kean a 1st division player who earned himself a good contract with everton. then failed there even when ancelotti (a proper coach maybe, right?) coached him. so there's that too.

you really make the worst possible conclusions based on all facts available for everyone. please continue.
No, Pirlo was better at building attacking football, his team lacked tactical alignment and organization of the game in defense.
Many Italians were unable to succeed in the epl too - Borini, Aquilani, Osvaldo, Balotelli, Kean, Darmian.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
Higuain was a great complementary striker to Ronaldo, dude.

In the standings? Well: we're comfortably fourth. Pirlo needed Napoli to drop points on the last matchday if you're memory is showing signs of deteriorating. Remember the ball on the crossbar in the dying seconds...


Paratici, we all know.
Thank god he didn't compare higuain with kean. Kean who flopped at Everton due to Allegri and we bought him for 40 million euros due to the Ronaldo fiasco.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
No, he wasn’t. I’m underwhelmed by Allegri’s system too but just no. You’re taking arguments out of the ass just to fit your hate agenda.
Juventus 20-21 Pirlo
xG 74.2 3rd in the league
xA 51.4 3rd in the league
Goals per game - 2.00 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 1000 3rd in the league

Juventus 19-20 Sarri
xG 68.7 4th in the league
xA 43.9 5th in the league
Goals per game 1.92 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 1119 2nd in the league

Juventus 21-22 so far Allegri
xG 45.8 9th in the league
xA 30 9th in the league
Goals per game - 1.48 10th in the league
Shot creating actions - 758 5th in the league

Juventus 18-19 Allegri
xG 58.2 5th in the league
xA 37 6th in the league
Goals per game - 1.74 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 969 7th in the league

Juventus 17-18 Allegri
xG 59.8 6th in the league
xA 38.3 6th in the league
Goals per game - 2.16 2nd in the league
Shot creating actions - 919 8th in the league

"JuSt To FiT yOuR aGeNdA" "BuT hE hAd RoNalDo", right?!? And it was Pirlo - inxperienced coach with 0 matches, with no coaching stuff, with no pre-season, that had to learn and gain experience through the matches vs. GOD OF THE COACHES MISTER DINOSAURUS ALLEGRI. Just in ONE season Pirlo was able to overcome ALL of Allegri's seasons with Juventus that i can check through fbref.com by xG, xA and shot creating actions. Everything is simple - Max Allegri is NOT CAPABLE of building attack minded football team.
 
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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
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Juventus 20-21 Pirlo
xG 74.2 3rd in the league
xA 51.4 3rd in the league
Goals per game - 2.00 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 1000 3rd in the league

Juventus 19-20 Sarri
xG 68.7 4th in the league
xA 43.9 5th in the league
Goals per game 1.92 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 1119 2nd in the league

Juventus 21-22 so far Allegri
xG 45.8 9th in the league
xA 30 9th in the league
Goals per game - 1.48 10th in the league
Shot creating actions - 758 5th in the league

Juventus 18-19 Allegri
xG 58.2 5th in the league
xA 37 6th in the league
Goals per game - 1.74 4th in the league
Shot creating actions - 969 7th in the league

Juventus 17-18 Allegri
xG 59.8 6th in the league
xA 38.3 6th in the league
Goals per game - 2.16 2nd in the league
Shot creating actions - 919 8th in the league

"JuSt To FiT yOuR aGeNdA" "BuT hE hAd RoNalDo", right?!? And it was Pirlo - inxperienced coach with 0 matches, with no coaching stuff, with no pre-season, that had to learn and gain experience through the matches vs. GOD OF THE COACHES MISTER DINOSAURUS ALLEGRI. Just in ONE season Pirlo was able to overcome ALL of Allegri's seasons with Juventus that i can check through fbref.com by xG, xA and shot creating actions. Everything is simple - Max Allegri is NOT CAPABLE of building attack minded football team.
Stop lying out of your ass.

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Mar 9, 2006
29,039
that list lacks borriello, ranocchia, giuseppe rossi, dossena, zaza and giaccherini (and many others). fortunately for them they all had a glaring career once they left england.

rus' arguments are genuinely amusing
Apart from Di Canio, Vialli its hard to name any italian that succeeded in the EPL. Ravanelli has had 1 great season.
 

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