Massimiliano Allegri (169 Viewers)

[JuveE46]

I got nothing against Max and I got little love for the traitor Conte but just Imagine if it was Conte instead of Max who had CR and couldn't do shit with him..
imagine if Conte was in as big a club as us with ability to spend if not more, certainly not less..
There is also having the luxury of being in a much shittier league like serie A.
Imagine if Max was in the PL with calibre of players Conte has, the team would be fourth from the bottom.
I wonder if Conte had gotten a 1-1 draw against a shit team like bologna would you then count our shots on goal in order to prove the coach did his job and that it's on the players and not Conte? Would the Max fanboi camp extend Conte the same courtesy or is it just blind dick riding?

 

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[CrimsonianKing]

I definitely agree with the Mourinho thing. He is an old fashioned coach. He is on the bottom of my list as well.

If we do change coach we should take 2 factors into equation - Mental, Style.
Mental is a must but style means do we want an attacking type of football that fits the current era? Klopp or a Klopp type of coach.
If the type of football is ok but we want results - Conte is definitely the guy.

Changing coaches probably wouldn't change much unless we get one of ones with a clear proper functional system which is just not gonna happen.

All in all Allegri is still the best choice out of the all Italian fuckers we'd go for minus Conte. But man, what a shitty season.

 

[Hist]

I got nothing against Max and I got little love for the traitor Conte but just Imagine if it was Conte instead of Max who had CR and couldn't do shit with him..
imagine if Conte was in as big a club as us with ability to spend if not more, certainly not less..
There is also having the luxury of being in a much shittier league like serie A.
Imagine if Max was in the PL with calibre of players Conte has, the team would be fourth from the bottom.
I wonder if Conte had gotten a 1-1 draw against a shit team like bologna would you then count our shots on goal in order to prove the coach did his job and that it's on the players and not Conte? Would the Max fanboi camp extend Conte the same courtesy or is it just blind dick riding?

No need to imagine Conte here. We are watching what Pioli and Spaletti are doing with weaker teams at clubs who haven't won in a decade

 

[Orgut]

I got nothing against Max and I got little love for the traitor Conte but just Imagine if it was Conte instead of Max who had CR and couldn't do shit with him..
imagine if Conte was in as big a club as us with ability to spend if not more, certainly not less..
There is also having the luxury of being in a much shittier league like serie A.
Imagine if Max was in the PL with calibre of players Conte has, the team would be fourth from the bottom.
I wonder if Conte had gotten a 1-1 draw against a shit team like bologna would you then count our shots on goal in order to prove the coach did his job and that it's on the players and not Conte? Would the Max fanboi camp extend Conte the same courtesy or is it just blind dick riding?

Tough to say.
I personally dont think a coach will finish in a certain place. There is no such thing. You could however guess the range based on the team and the coach that leads them.
Right now I think it would be stupid to say Conte couldnt do a better job since he proved in the past that he can.
Conte takes players and their quality improve under him as coach - I was serious about that. He is the best motivating coach in the world IMO.
That being said there are certain conditions that Allegri can be a better coach for a team. It all depends on the team.

Back to what`s currently going on. I dont think even with the improvement made we should keep Allegri despite all excuses.
I dont even judge him based on our current position. I think he should be out because he fails to bring what I hope to see from Juventus.
I want to see motivated players that press all the time and not just jogging around and pressing in a useless manner.
I want to see some chance creating and not just 1 or 2 half chances per game.
I want to see players with belief on the field - If they have a chance they take it and not just pass the ball around.

I think there was only one game I was happy about this year. We lost it 1-0 to Inter but we did what we needed to do. I would add a few more chances and this is the Juve I`d like to see (or at least getting closer to what I want to see)

 

[il brutto]

This thread has been full of high quality takes and PhD level statistical analyses after the draw yesterday. Impressive.

 

[Hist]

The highest paid are the worst performing.

 

[Boksic]

Very disappointed with how the season has panned out. It hasn't been good enough. Take nothing away from Bologna, Sassuolo and Empoli who have all shown that they are capable of pulling off surprise results, we should be beating them at home.

However, there are 5 factors in Allegri's defence which I'm not convinced would lead to significant improvements under a different coach. 1. We have absolutely no width other than Cuadrado, 2. We have absolutely no creativity other than Cuadrado and Dybala who is off form, 3. Injuries have hampered any opportunity to build any consistency in lineups, 4. The midfield is weak, particularly without Locatelli, 5. The options available on the bench are not capable of changing games.

I still expect better though.

 

[juve123]

This thread has been full of high quality takes and PhD level statistical analyses after the draw yesterday. Impressive.

Obviously there is no patience in the football world with a need to find a scapegoat for all our problems and things aren't going to get easy with 5-6 players leaving next season especially Dybala chiellini potentially de ligt unless we sort out our attacking play.

 

[Boksic]

The midfield has to be the biggest point of concern we have replaced Ramsey with another injury prone midfielder Zakaria.We don't fully utilize the left area of the pitch.No wingers apart from ageing and frustrating Cuadrado.
Physical conditioning of players and mentality of our players so many problems it must fall down on one person Allegri.

Yeah mentality is a huge issue. It has seemed a problem in the past few seasons where is something goes against the team, they struggle to deal with it. It not an easy thing to change and winning games makes it a lot easier but you are right it falls on Allegri.

The conditioning is probably less on him for me. Big teams nowadays have their own sport science and fitness teams. I'd imagine most coaches delegate that to these guys who go through degrees it that area. At least I hope Allegri does, I'm not even sure sport science was a thing when he was a player. If he is doing it himself then he's definitely at fault and needs to give it to his team.

 

[juve123]

Yeah mentality is a huge issue. It has seemed a problem in the past few seasons where is something goes against the team, they struggle to deal with it. It not an easy thing to change and winning games makes it a lot easier but you are right it falls on Allegri.

The conditioning is probably less on him for me. Big teams nowadays have their own sport science and fitness teams. I'd imagine most coaches delegate that to these guys who go through degrees it that area. At least I hope Allegri does, I'm not even sure sport science was a thing when he was a player. If he is doing it himself then he's definitely at fault and needs to give it to his team.

Obviously the coach selects his support staff but what is exactly the problem is it our training methods or the conditioning of the players it is difficult to tell.We can't be missing 9-10 players at crucial juncture of the season like we did this season.

 

[Mokku]

It'll be clear if he belongs here based on our next transfer window and by that I mean, if he doesn't bring in players that play in attacking positions and give us hope that we'll play in a different way then you know that his time is up. I'm not expecting world-class players, I'm aware of the limited budget but I'm talking about attack-capable players. When you rebuild, you can direct the club towards a new identity so that direction needs to be more modern.

 

[Mike-e-y]

Even in his first spell it has been like that. He has been found out to be honest. He is a coach that NEEDS a midfield to carry him because he has no clue of attacking tactics or playing progressive. That is in no way an "Elite coach". He is the typical old school italian coach who knows how to park the bus but he refuses to work on attacking plans because who knows why. A total has been.

He is an outdated coacht that needs to retire to be honest

But like you said, unless Elkann goes very mad about it, Allegri will go nowhere...so we better buy him a midfield that can play without a coach or we will be in the same position next year

In his first stint with us he heavily relied on the players to read games and be intelligent (and talented enough) to be able to manage games. Sadly he doesn’t have that this time around and I completely agree, he is being found out. Football has really changed in the last 2 years and his absence also hasn’t helped.

I’m not giving up on him yet, hopefully he’s intelligent enough to to see this himself and is trying to get to the end of the season. If we’re still playing in this manner next season then I’ll write him off as a past it dinosaur

 

[Post Ironic]

I got nothing against Max and I got little love for the traitor Conte but just Imagine if it was Conte instead of Max who had CR and couldn't do shit with him..
imagine if Conte was in as big a club as us with ability to spend if not more, certainly not less..
There is also having the luxury of being in a much shittier league like serie A.
Imagine if Max was in the PL with calibre of players Conte has, the team would be fourth from the bottom.
I wonder if Conte had gotten a 1-1 draw against a shit team like bologna would you then count our shots on goal in order to prove the coach did his job and that it's on the players and not Conte? Would the Max fanboi camp extend Conte the same courtesy or is it just blind dick riding?

Conte lost at home 1-0 to Brighton yesterday, and had zero shots on goal and 5 attempts total in 90 minutes with Kulu-Kane-Son, this great attacking trio his fanbois have been fapping over him making so amazing. The same people excusing that are shitting on Max for a 1-1 draw with Bologna, where we had 22 shots attempted, missed multiple open goals, hit a crossbar… so it’s okay to shit on our performance, but we should be praising Conte for making Spurs a top 4 contender? Lol. There are 3 better teams in the EPL at best. Spurs-Arsenal-United are all similar level. They are right where they should be.

Cunte got given the benefit of the doubt by most of us even after failing to get out of CL group stage with one of the best teams in Europe and failing to beat 9 man Benfica at home to play in EL final in our stadium. And still almost the entire forum was happy to have him stay and upset when he left. He chose to leave like a twat. He chose to act like an ass and hold some imaginary grudge against management for not buying him Iturbe instead of Morata, he chose to get into fight with our club because we were one of several teams refusing to release our players for extra NT training outside the international breaks, he chose to go coach Inter a club that tried to destroy ours, and then make shitty disparaging remarks about Juve receiving favourable treatment by the league. And he’s the coach who can’t get out of CL group stage to save his life. He deserves all the shit he gets flung at him.

 

[Hydde]

In his first stint with us he heavily relied on the players to read games and be intelligent (and talented enough) to be able to manage games. Sadly he doesn’t have that this time around and I completely agree, he is being found out. Football has really changed in the last 2 years and his absence also hasn’t helped.

I’m not giving up on him yet, hopefully he’s intelligent enough to to see this himself and is trying to get to the end of the season. If we’re still playing in this manner next season then I’ll write him off as a past it dinosaur

I gave up. I really gave him his chance but all you said is true. No players will change that, and he is not trying to solve anything. he is done.

 

[JuveE46]

Conte lost at home 1-0 to Brighton yesterday, and had zero shots on goal and 5 attempts total in 90 minutes with Kulu-Kane-Son, this great attacking trio his fanbois have been fapping over him making so amazing. The same people excusing that are shitting on Max for a 1-1 draw with Bologna, where we had 22 shots attempted, missed multiple open goals, hit a crossbar… so it’s okay to shit on our performance, but we should be praising Conte for making Spurs a top 4 contender? Lol. There are 3 better teams in the EPL at best. Spurs-Arsenal-United are all similar level. They are right where they should be.

Cunte got given the benefit of the doubt by most of us even after failing to get out of CL group stage with one of the best teams in Europe and failing to beat 9 man Benfica at home to play in EL final in our stadium. And still almost the entire forum was happy to have him stay and upset when he left. He chose to leave like a twat. He chose to act like an ass and hold some imaginary grudge against management for not buying him Iturbe instead of Morata, he chose to get into fight with our club because we were one of several teams refusing to release our players for extra NT training outside the international breaks, he chose to go coach Inter a club that tried to destroy ours, and then make shitty disparaging remarks about Juve receiving favourable treatment by the league. And he’s the coach who can’t get out of CL group stage to save his life. He deserves all the shit he gets flung at him.

I've never compared any one manager to the other specially not merely by "achievements" in Europe ( since those "achievements" are going couple stages deeper in the CL and by stages it's really what four games at it's core like some do in here suggesting Max is better because he won a couple more games in a competition) in fact I'm not comparing them now, I'm calling it like it is.
Getting out of group stage and? What happened afterwards? These are not achievements, neither is winning the league undefeated. They are merely stats in the end.
Point being there's is alot of anti Conte bias and Max dick riding and vise versa and I was wondering if anyone could answer without any bias. Got my answer which is nope.

 

[Post Ironic]

I've never compared any one manager to the other merely by "achievements" in Europe ( since those "achievements" are going couple stages deeper in the CL and by stages it's really what four games at it's core like some do in here suggesting Max is better because he won a couple more games in a competition) in fact I'm not comparing them now, I'm calling it like it is.
Getting out of group stage and? What happened afterwards? These are not achievements, neither is winning the league undefeated. They are merely stats in the end.
Point being there's is alot of anti Conte bias and Max dick riding and vise versa and I was wondering if anyone could answer without any bias. Got my answer which is nope.

You understand though that to do well financially we need CL Rof16 minimum, if not QFs when our wage bill was higher, right? We aren’t a PL club, we depend on the prize money from competing in Europe. And going out in group stage is a disaster for us. Playing in CL final those two years was an extra ~150 million euros of revenue for us. Which if not for Tootsie’s shitty squad building and ill-advised (in hindsight) Ronaldo gamble we could have helped build more sustainable long term success with? As well the enjoyment for us fans of getting to enjoy playing in and winning several CL knockout matches against other top sides.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Conte lost at home 1-0 to Brighton yesterday, and had zero shots on goal and 5 attempts total in 90 minutes with Kulu-Kane-Son, this great attacking trio his fanbois have been fapping over him making so amazing. The same people excusing that are shitting on Max for a 1-1 draw with Bologna, where we had 22 shots attempted, missed multiple open goals, hit a crossbar… so it’s okay to shit on our performance, but we should be praising Conte for making Spurs a top 4 contender? Lol. There are 3 better teams in the EPL at best. Spurs-Arsenal-United are all similar level. They are right where they should be.

Cunte got given the benefit of the doubt by most of us even after failing to get out of CL group stage with one of the best teams in Europe and failing to beat 9 man Benfica at home to play in EL final in our stadium. And still almost the entire forum was happy to have him stay and upset when he left. He chose to leave like a twat. He chose to act like an ass and hold some imaginary grudge against management for not buying him Iturbe instead of Morata, he chose to get into fight with our club because we were one of several teams refusing to release our players for extra NT training outside the international breaks, he chose to go coach Inter a club that tried to destroy ours, and then make shitty disparaging remarks about Juve receiving favourable treatment by the league. And he’s the coach who can’t get out of CL group stage to save his life. He deserves all the shit he gets flung at him.

And everyone have said that its a huge blow and Conte's fault.

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Very disappointed with how the season has panned out. It hasn't been good enough. Take nothing away from Bologna, Sassuolo and Empoli who have all shown that they are capable of pulling off surprise results, we should be beating them at home.

However, there are 5 factors in Allegri's defence which I'm not convinced would lead to significant improvements under a different coach. 1. We have absolutely no width other than Cuadrado, 2. We have absolutely no creativity other than Cuadrado and Dybala who is off form, 3. Injuries have hampered any opportunity to build any consistency in lineups, 4. The midfield is weak, particularly without Locatelli, 5. The options available on the bench are not capable of changing games.

I still expect better though.

Just stop

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[Vlad]

Very disappointed with how the season has panned out. It hasn't been good enough. Take nothing away from Bologna, Sassuolo and Empoli who have all shown that they are capable of pulling off surprise results, we should be beating them at home.

However, there are 5 factors in Allegri's defence which I'm not convinced would lead to significant improvements under a different coach. 1. We have absolutely no width other than Cuadrado, 2. We have absolutely no creativity other than Cuadrado and Dybala who is off form, 3. Injuries have hampered any opportunity to build any consistency in lineups, 4. The midfield is weak, particularly without Locatelli, 5. The options available on the bench are not capable of changing games.

I still expect better though.

 

[JuveE46]

You understand though that to do well financially we need CL Rof16 minimum, if not QFs when our wage bill was higher, right? We aren’t a PL club, we depend on the prize money from competing in Europe. And going out in group stage is a disaster for us. Playing in CL final those two years was an extra ~150 million euros of revenue for us. Which if not for Tootsie’s shitty squad building and ill-advised (in hindsight) Ronaldo gamble we could have helped build more sustainable long term success with? As well the enjoyment for us fans of getting to enjoy playing in and winning several CL knockout matches against other top sides.

Hmm ok by that logic Mourinho was and still is GOAT manager ever I stand corrected.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Hmm ok by that logic Mourinho was and still is GOAT manager ever I stand corrected.

He's just obssesed with Allegri having a better UCL campaigns than Conte lol when in the end of the day they both won 0 trophies there