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Jun 16, 2020
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There were only 2 viable options. Pellegrini and Dybala. De Sciglio was doing fine and didn't seem tired, and Dybala clearly wasn't fit.

You can't say bringing on Berna or Kean wouldn't weaken us regardless of being fresh legs.
Pellegrini for Rabiot and Dybala for Morata I was hoping for.

We badly needed someone we could cross from the left side because we were too predictable. Morata was nowhere in the second half, our strikers were very high basically forcing us to play on the wings. Therefore someone like Dybala would be useful.

Collective failing honestly. Allegri waited to long and we conceded by 3 individual mistakes. But Villarreal sucked so hard that I can’t believe the game went in this way.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Yeah I don't get that either. Half fit Dybala? Quarter fit Berna? Kean lol? Can't just say "IT'S NOT WORKING, MAKE SUBS NOW" without genuine options who are going to change the quality or tempo of the game. The only genuine reason for them in this game is to either replace tired players (Locatelli for example), or to get Dybala on and hope that he can pull something out of his ass and rescue us on one leg. The fact is that with the injuries we have, Morata and Vlahovic are our best hope of scoring even if they are half dead.

What I didn't get (and never get) is why we didn't just get the ball wider and into the box. When a team shows no intention of doing anything but two banks of defenders it amazes me how often you see the attacking team playing the ball across midfield trying to find an opening. Cuadrado still trying to play intricate 1-2s with the strikers instead of just getting the ball wide and into the area.

The game just turned on the penalty, but we were always playing on that knife edge, that's just how it is with a struggling attacking team facing this kind of football. Emery walks away thinking he's prime Mourinho, the reality is it's a really mediocre Juve side for a couple of reasons. With a fit squad we'd most likely go through this tie, but we weren't going any further.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
To the people asking for subs did you see our bench. This team is mentally weak, will collapse at the slightest hint of adversity, whether that's on allegri or not I don't know, but as far as i am concerned he did everything he could to set us up to win we just choked like we usually do. Sorry but not putting this on max.
I am sorry but it does not work that way.

Max himself is one of the biggest proponents of the theory that even the 25th player on the roster can make the difference at least once when you need him.

Emery didn't make spectacular changes, but he brought fresh players who bothered our tired ones. If Dybala cannot play 30 minutes tonight why is he there? Berna, Kean - they can at least run.

Why take Locatelli off and leave Arthur on? Morata was invisible the entire second half. When did Vlahović earn so much credit? He was flat out bad and he cannot be subbed off earlier? Give me a break, Idc about his price tag, nobody on this team has CR stature of never being subbed off not matter how badly he plays.

You can't spend the entire season drubbing the same players, make the same substitutions for 5 minutes at the end and then go 'now go make the difference'.

How can we play like this tonight and play like that in the first leg? That's another thing.

I am the biggest Max fan, but he has zero excuses for this season. He is doing the same thing all season and making the same mistakes all season.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
can we stop blaming player mistakes? every year it's always blamed on players. bentancur, or woj, or evra, or bonucci or cancelo.

what we need to understand it's normal that players make mistakes. other teams are not perfect and their players make mistakes too. the difference is there is a clear focus in mentality on getting a result instead of just sitting about absorbing pressure and being reactionary.

do liverpool, madrid, barca not make mistakes? of course they do, but they still win.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,834
can we stop blaming player mistakes? every year it's always blamed on players. bentancur, or woj, or evra, or bonucci or cancelo.

what we need to understand it's normal that players make mistakes. other teams are not perfect and their players make mistakes too. the difference is there is a clear focus in mentality on getting a result instead of just sitting about absorbing pressure and being reactionary.

do liverpool, madrid, barca not make mistakes? of course they do, but they still win.
what a masterclass of a post
 

GordoDeCentral

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Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,801
Yeah I don't get that either. Half fit Dybala? Quarter fit Berna? Kean lol? Can't just say "IT'S NOT WORKING, MAKE SUBS NOW" without genuine options who are going to change the quality or tempo of the game. The only genuine reason for them in this game is to either replace tired players (Locatelli for example), or to get Dybala on and hope that he can pull something out of his ass and rescue us on one leg. The fact is that with the injuries we have, Morata and Vlahovic are our best hope of scoring even if they are half dead.

What I didn't get (and never get) is why we didn't just get the ball wider and into the box. When a team shows no intention of doing anything but two banks of defenders it amazes me how often you see the attacking team playing the ball across midfield trying to find an opening. Cuadrado still trying to play intricate 1-2s with the strikers instead of just getting the ball wide and into the area.

The game just turned on the penalty, but we were always playing on that knife edge, that's just how it is with a struggling attacking team facing this kind of football. Emery walks away thinking he's prime Mourinho, the reality is it's a really mediocre Juve side for a couple of reasons. With a fit squad we'd most likely go through this tie, but we weren't going any further.
Spot on with the cuadrado bit, and i have to say i really didn't like seeing captain today. He just kills our teams movement with his pull backs. Of you are a forward who makes 7-8 consecutive runs only to see cuads pull the ball back every time, you will defo stop making those runs.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
33,646
He should’ve reacted quicker when we clearly weren’t creating shit.
i get that argument and it's surely true that we missed some impact in the 2nd half, but dybala was our only player on the bench with any potential attacking impact, and he trained with the group only yesterday. and he's clearly not ready yet.

btw i honestly don't mind firing max at this point. at least the tuz extremely high iq brigade could shit on any random coach when our overpaid mercenaries and bunch of pussies choke against arsenal or betis next season.

fix the squad. otherwise we're the new milan post 2012 or inda post 2010.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,642
This isnt just about Allegri anymore. We lost to Ajax, Lyon, Porto, Villarreal. 3 different managers in that time. Cant really use the italian football excuse as euro 2021 showed what they can do. Something is fundamentally wrong in this club. Dare i say it since Marotta left.
 
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
This isnt just about Allegri anymore. We lost to Ajax, Lyon, Porto, Villarreal. 3 different managers in that time. Cant really use the italian football excuse as euro 2021 showed what they can do. Something is fundamentally wrong in this club. Dare i say it since Marotta left.
Don't put Sarri in that list, pause for COVID fucked up everything, Lyon went on beating city, Atalanta almost made it into the final. Also they didn't buy a single player for Sarri, it was a mistake
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,834
This isnt just about Allegri anymore. We lost to Ajax, Lyon, Porto, Villarreal. 3 different managers in that time. Cant really use the italian football excuse as euro 2021 showed what they can do. Something is fundamentally wrong in this club. Dare i say it since Marotta left.
Is it that hard to figure out? Football today is played at a higher intensity.
 

pavelnel

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2006
2,474
This isnt just about Allegri anymore. We lost to Ajax, Lyon, Porto, Villarreal. 3 different managers in that time. Cant really use the italian football excuse as euro 2021 showed what they can do. Something is fundamentally wrong in this club. Dare i say it since Marotta left.
Italy at Euro 2020 was the opposite of Allegri's Juve in every way. What a bad example.

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