Massimiliano Allegri (140 Viewers)
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Then give us something to be happy about. Anything, please. I'm dying here. Just a couple good performances and wins in a row, looking like a team instead of a bunch of clowns blasting the ball into each other, with shit that makes sense. Players in the proper position, taking initiative, making subs that make sense, not having to make silly comments all match to get through it. Anything, please, I beg of you!
You seem to care, seeing as you tried to make up some BS about me not supporting the club under Sarri and Pirlo. Projecting much. It’s painfully obvious you don’t really cheer for this club.
No one thinks Allegri is doing a good enough job right now. Not me, not any of the others who want Max to be coach here. He needs to improve. Some of us are just willing to give time for that. Until the end of the season anyways. And then we shall see where we’re at.
Conte didn't have CL first year you know because of finishing 7thand all bit after he won the league undefeated... First CL in his second year we lost to Bayern in knockouts 4-0 on AGG the Bayern team that dismantled Barca 7-0 in two legs then beat Dortmund to win CL. The next year meaning 2013-14 the so called group stage failure. Notice how we lead in almost every one of the stats look at the shots on target it's Contes fault the forwards didn't score eh? Look at the shots on target, more than the opponent every time.
Now if you are above grade 2 math level you can see as these stats show, this shit was up to the players, call it quality/ability doesn't matter. Coach has done his job here.
Copenhagen 1-1 Juve:
Possesion% 44/56
Shots on target: 6/13
Corners:3/16
Juve 2 -2 Galatasaray
Possession% 57/43
Shots on target 13/5 corners 11/0
Real 2-1 Juve Chiellini red Min48
Possession% 52/48
Shots on target 7/7
Corners 4/5
Juve 2-2 Real
Possession% 51/49
Shots on target 13/7
Corners 7/3
Juve 3-1 Copenhagen
This win clear enough.
Gala 1-0 Juventus
Snijder min 85
Posession% 51/49
Shots on target 3/7
If anything was on Conte this match might have an argument. We needed only a draw and
Gala beat us to next round by one point with this win. It can be argued Conte went in too defensive, but keep in mind this is not a easy match away at gala. Too defensive? It was enough to get us through until minute 85 wasnt it? I think players came up short more then Conte for this match as well..
Europa league: beat tranz, Fiore, Lyon, lost to benifica 2-1.
Leg 1
Ben vs Juve 2-1
Possession% 43/57
Shots on target 2/5
Corners 3/6
Superior again on each stat, coach did his job, who is supposed to score? Who is supposed to defend? 2 fucking 1 loss whose fault is this Conte?
Leg2.
Juventus vs Benifica 0 - 0
Posession% 63/37
Shots on target 7/1(blocked)
Corners 9/2
This is the argument you have? Cut the comical shit already don't let your personal bias against Conte fuck you up into thinking shit happened in a way that it didn't. Man did his job if we are to put the blame like some jesters do here no manager in history is safe. You name them and I can shit on them one by one for why they didn't handle a certain situation a certain way.
Now if you are above grade 2 math level you can see as these stats show, this shit was up to the players, call it quality/ability doesn't matter. Coach has done his job here.
Copenhagen 1-1 Juve:
Possesion% 44/56
Shots on target: 6/13
Corners:3/16
Juve 2 -2 Galatasaray
Possession% 57/43
Shots on target 13/5 corners 11/0
Real 2-1 Juve Chiellini red Min48
Possession% 52/48
Shots on target 7/7
Corners 4/5
Juve 2-2 Real
Possession% 51/49
Shots on target 13/7
Corners 7/3
Juve 3-1 Copenhagen
This win clear enough.
Gala 1-0 Juventus
Snijder min 85
Posession% 51/49
Shots on target 3/7
If anything was on Conte this match might have an argument. We needed only a draw and
Gala beat us to next round by one point with this win. It can be argued Conte went in too defensive, but keep in mind this is not a easy match away at gala. Too defensive? It was enough to get us through until minute 85 wasnt it? I think players came up short more then Conte for this match as well..
Europa league: beat tranz, Fiore, Lyon, lost to benifica 2-1.
Leg 1
Ben vs Juve 2-1
Possession% 43/57
Shots on target 2/5
Corners 3/6
Superior again on each stat, coach did his job, who is supposed to score? Who is supposed to defend? 2 fucking 1 loss whose fault is this Conte?
Leg2.
Juventus vs Benifica 0 - 0
Posession% 63/37
Shots on target 7/1(blocked)
Corners 9/2
This is the argument you have? Cut the comical shit already don't let your personal bias against Conte fuck you up into thinking shit happened in a way that it didn't. Man did his job if we are to put the blame like some jesters do here no manager in history is safe. You name them and I can shit on them one by one for why they didn't handle a certain situation a certain way.
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You seem to care, seeing as you tried to make up some BS about me not supporting the club under Sarri and Pirlo. Projecting much. It’s painfully obvious you don’t really cheer for this club.
No one thinks Allegri is doing a good enough job right now. Not me, not any of the others who want Max to be coach here. He needs to improve. Some of us are just willing to give time for that. Until the end of the season anyways. And then we shall see where we’re at.
No one thinks Allegri is doing a good enough job right now. Not me, not any of the others who want Max to be coach here. He needs to improve. Some of us are just willing to give time for that. Until the end of the season anyways. And then we shall see where we’re at.
C’mon, there is clearly a pattern. He has failed to get his team out of group stage in 3 of 5 seasons. Maybe he puts too much pressure on his players (Allegri did say they played frantic and terrified in Europe when he first arrived and needed some calm), or maybe they listen to his “can’t dine in 100 euro restaurant with 5 euros” but he has failed time and again in champion’s with league winning caliber teams. Clearly something is going wrong repeatedly. He’s a great domestic league coach, but hasn’t figured out cup football at all.
Idk what to tell you, when a team comes out of 7th place in league, with a new manager it is being made from scratch, it needs more than two years in Europe to develop into a contender for CL..Conte had only two years in Europe with a board like ours and no say. No time to build enough to achieve something of significance with little money? He hasn't been anywhere more than two years after that. Maybe that's the problem. One off surprises like mourinhos merda have happened and disappeared but to establish dominance as a club two years is rarely enough to get a team to gel at a high level to even get to a couple of finals to eventually win one.
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Are you really this mentally challenged?
Allegri has played CL 10 times, 10/10 getting past group stage now. 2 CL finals (at Juve), 3 CL QFs (2 at Juve, 1 at Milan), and 4 CL Rof16 (3 at Milan, 1 at Juve).
Conte has played CL 5 times, 2/5 getting out of group stage. 1 Rof16 (Chelsea), 1 QF (Juve).
You are the forum’s biggest moron if you think these two CL records are comparable in the slightest or just down to “luck”
Allegri has played CL 10 times, 10/10 getting past group stage now. 2 CL finals (at Juve), 3 CL QFs (2 at Juve, 1 at Milan), and 4 CL Rof16 (3 at Milan, 1 at Juve).
Conte has played CL 5 times, 2/5 getting out of group stage. 1 Rof16 (Chelsea), 1 QF (Juve).
You are the forum’s biggest moron if you think these two CL records are comparable in the slightest or just down to “luck”
Last year, after 15 matches, we were third in serie A with 30 points. This year we have 24, or 6 points less.
It's an obvious decline, though a very much expected one. Ronaldo alone scored 14 goals and made 2 assists in those opening 15 matches. Without his goals and assists, last season's Juve would have had 22 points after 15 matches, meaning Ronaldo "weights" 8 additional points, or a little more than half a point per match (say 20 pts per season).
The rest of the team is doing just as well/bad as last season. Taking away the assists they made to Ronaldo last year, this is how it looks:
Last season/this season goals+assists
Fullbacks 3/3
CBs: 2/5
Wingers: 10/5
Central midfield: 7/9
Dybala/Morata: 10/10
Again, almost identical. The only difference is Ronaldo's presence/absence.
Now, regarding Allegri, two opposite points can be made:
a) Allegri is doing just a tiny bit better than Pirlo would have done if Ronaldo wasn't here last season, meaning he failed to improve us.
b) Losing Ronaldo at the start of the season is a huge shock and to have "only" 6 pts less than Juve with Ronaldo after 15 matches is success, although a minor one.
It's an obvious decline, though a very much expected one. Ronaldo alone scored 14 goals and made 2 assists in those opening 15 matches. Without his goals and assists, last season's Juve would have had 22 points after 15 matches, meaning Ronaldo "weights" 8 additional points, or a little more than half a point per match (say 20 pts per season).
The rest of the team is doing just as well/bad as last season. Taking away the assists they made to Ronaldo last year, this is how it looks:
Last season/this season goals+assists
Fullbacks 3/3
CBs: 2/5
Wingers: 10/5
Central midfield: 7/9
Dybala/Morata: 10/10
Again, almost identical. The only difference is Ronaldo's presence/absence.
Now, regarding Allegri, two opposite points can be made:
a) Allegri is doing just a tiny bit better than Pirlo would have done if Ronaldo wasn't here last season, meaning he failed to improve us.
b) Losing Ronaldo at the start of the season is a huge shock and to have "only" 6 pts less than Juve with Ronaldo after 15 matches is success, although a minor one.
These are slightly misleading statistics. If Ronaldo was not with us last season someone else would have played in his place, but we would never know how they would have performed.
Morata also started far better last season and if not for Ronaldo he would have had more goals/assists.
Morata last season, all tournaments untill 02.12.2020:
Games Goals Assists
14_______9______4
Morata this season for the same period:
Games Goals Assists
18_______5______2
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Morata also started far better last season and if not for Ronaldo he would have had more goals/assists.
Morata last season, all tournaments untill 02.12.2020:
Games Goals Assists
14_______9______4
Morata this season for the same period:
Games Goals Assists
18_______5______2
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Are you really this mentally challenged?
Allegri has played CL 10 times, 10/10 getting past group stage now. 2 CL finals (at Juve), 3 CL QFs (2 at Juve, 1 at Milan), and 4 CL Rof16 (3 at Milan, 1 at Juve).
Conte has played CL 5 times, 2/5 getting out of group stage. 1 Rof16 (Chelsea), 1 QF (Juve).
You are the forum’s biggest moron if you think these two CL records are comparable in the slightest or just down to “luck”
Allegri has played CL 10 times, 10/10 getting past group stage now. 2 CL finals (at Juve), 3 CL QFs (2 at Juve, 1 at Milan), and 4 CL Rof16 (3 at Milan, 1 at Juve).
Conte has played CL 5 times, 2/5 getting out of group stage. 1 Rof16 (Chelsea), 1 QF (Juve).
You are the forum’s biggest moron if you think these two CL records are comparable in the slightest or just down to “luck”
