Massimiliano Allegri (297 Viewers)

[yahjuve]

And you are forgetting Princess Dybala who wants 10 million euros nett wages for next four years again I can't see why the likes lautaro martinez are happy with 6 million euros contract but Dybala wants 10 million euros this squad is full of overpaid players who do not have the drive to make the difference yesterday hellas Verona pressed non stop for 75 minutes

Random comparison i see. Lautaro is younger than Dybala by 4 years and started from a lower wage base 2,5 mln it's obvious for the renewal ,his first ,to be around 6 mln. In three or Four years he will ask even more. Remember Dybala 5 years ago was on 3,5, went to 5 and then to 7 MLN . Very simple and logic. So we should stop comparing the two players cause they are in two different career stages.

 

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[Luca]

Training retreat is nonsense imo.

Allegri needs to take the Mourinho approach in dropping the players we all loathe and hate.

 

[s4tch]

Certain members, with shame, are short circuiting as expected

@Ronn look at this guy watch him cry a river like an offended karen on twitter again if you single him out for stirring shit

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Training retreat is nonsense imo.

Allegri needs to take the Mourinho approach in dropping the players we all loathe and hate.

look at roma before and after mourinho threw his players under the bus

we'd need to create a team which is borderline impossible using punishments. overpaying rabiot & co doesn't help too much either, but you can't solve it mid season.

 

[kappa96]

Absolutely he deserves the contract, in the same way he didn’t deserve to be fired when he won the league - what a stupid decision that was. That summer he asked for a clear out but the idiots Nedved and Paratici thought the squad was complete so pressured Agnelli to fire him. What a disastrous decision that was. That is the moment Juventus lost our identity and tried to change philosophy to be some Barca replica.

You use the term ‘deserves’ - well you tell me 11 players in this squad that ‘deserve’ to be at Juventus? I’m a fan of Juventus above anything else, I ask questions of everyone on our payroll. I’m not saying Allegri has done a superb job in this stint - he’s done a below average job so far in his 3 months… some of these players have been here 3+ years and they have done a disgraceful job.

The rotting core of this squad is not the fault of Allegri but the rotting core is the biggest issue

Szczesny as a backup keeper.
Chiello as a starter.
De ligt (for his potential) starter/backup although he has been a bust till now.
BonBon as a backup
Danilo as a backup.
Locatelli as a starter
Benta as a backup
Mckennie as a backup
Cuads as a starting AMR
Chiesa as a starting AMR/AML
Kulu as a backup
Dybala as a false 9 starter or AMC starter or backup AMR or backup st
Morata as a backup
Kean as a backup
Kaio??? Still has to prove himself.

In my opinion we have only 6/11 players that deserve to start for Juve, with Chiello fading as time goes by.

The rest should fuck off.

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[kao_ray]

He also broke our 9 year winning streak and finished just a point behind us the year before, so I wouldn't be so harsh. He actually won the league in his first season with Chelsea after they finished tenth the season before, so you're wrong there. As with european success its always hit and miss, sure we didn't go as far as we should have I admit, but Allegri also had his slip ups such as throwing away a 2-0 lead against Bayern, losing the locker room at half time against Real and suffering a humiliating 4-1 loss, and not being able to beat Ajax at home with Ronaldo on your team. I agree though, of course objectively speaking Allegri has had better history in europe, but europe's not our focus at the moment. Our domestic problems need to be the priority, and Conte is better suited for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Chelsea_F.C._season

You really can't compare Chelsea's squad selection from 16/17 with what we have right now. Those were the first team players:

1. Courtois
2. César Azpilicueta
3. David Luiz
4. Gary Cahill
6. Marcos Alonso
7. N'Golo Kanté
8. Nemanja Matić
9. Victor Moses
10. Eden Hazard
11. Diego Costa

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most used rotational players

1. Pedro
2. Willian
3. Michy Batshuayi
4. Cesc Fàbregas

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Not even a fucking exorcist can save this current team

 

[juve123]

Not even a fucking exorcist can save this current team

Cherubini can by signing Vlahovic and Tchouameni or Zakaria atleast it gives a chance to finish fourth

 

[iosono.bianconero]

Not even a fucking exorcist can save this current team

Underrated comment

 

[Brny44]

You think Vlahovic will join this mess? We have problems with getting rid of thrash players since 2017 and now we are even further into it. The only thing he should do now is bench half of team and put youngsters who are wiling to puf maximum efford.

 

[Dominic]

I still think a lippi style midfield could mask some of our midfield issues:

locatelli
Cuadrado mckennie?
Chiesa

do it

 

[cimenk]

“The best way to defend them is to have the ball yourself,” Klopp added. “And that’s what we didn’t do for long enough.”

Out of the context a bit. It's what Klopp said in post match interview after Liverpool lost their 2 goals advantage against Brighton yesterday.

That's a mentality we also should have. Keep the ball and attack, scored more goals. Not always suffering for 1-0 win

 

[Luca]

look at roma before and after mourinho threw his players under the bus

we'd need to create a team which is borderline impossible using punishments. overpaying rabiot & co doesn't help too much either, but you can't solve it mid season.

I don’t think we can solve anything at this point no matter what we try, this team has reached a dead end, since we are Juventus we are clearly not going to start using this time to blood in youngsters. So punishing those who have made us sink so low is simply catharsis and the best I can hope for as a fan in this situation. Ritiro is so vanilla, I want blood.

 

[Siamak]

1980 - Today
We already experienced hard times. Majority just forgot or didn't experienced them. Every end of a winning cycle hurts. Frustration and anger are normal. 20 scudetti in 42 years. You can insult & blame whoever you want but we will be back sooner as you might think

 

[cimenk]

Lazy unorganized players there.
Ball still in danger area with Arthur only the one who chase the ball. So when he want to maintain possesion when 2 Verona players press him up, he pass the ball back where he believes there are 3 of our players. But all of them already in walking mode and not expecting the ball

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

training retreat means players will spend more time with allegri. they will suck even more.

 

[juve123]

“The best way to defend them is to have the ball yourself,” Klopp added. “And that’s what we didn’t do for long enough.”

Out of the context a bit. It's what Klopp said in post match interview after Liverpool lost their 2 goals advantage against Brighton yesterday.

That's a mentality we also should have. Keep the ball and attack, scored more goals. Not always suffering for 1-0 win

How much time was given to Klopp and investment again it comes back to patience factor give Allegri some quality signings and then judge him

 

[Mike-e-y]

Thats speculation and something that surely would fit your narrative. But lets assume you are right. So what happened to the clear-out this time, after the management was wrong and took him back with much more influence now? Where was the clear-out. Why did we accumulate more shit like Rugani and De Sciglio?

Most of these rottening players are acquired during his stint. If he really is a yes-man and just let the management handle all hires and extensions, then I prefer a manager with balls who can formulate his ideas and convince our directors to join his party and give him what he wants.

But what you are saying more or less is that you dont care much what Allegri did in his last 1-2 years here (in terms of development of the team) or this year or the next 3 years. He earned his 4 year pension as a Juve coach by continuing winning Scudettos with Italys supremely best side after taking over from Conte, and by winning 2 CL semi finals. He just deserves it, and thats how our business operate.

What happened this summer is our finances were crippled by poor business over the last few years and a global pandemic (if you hadn’t noticed). A rebuild now is a long term job, which is why we would given a proven winner and someone who understands this club a long term contract to be centrally involved in the project.

You’re completely missing the point. Short termism is exactly what has got this club in the mess it is in. Poor decisions prioritising short term success instead of long term growth. Showing faith in a quality manager and committing to him is exactly what we should have done, and yes I’m happy we’ve taken a long term approach with a manager that has proven he can manage top level clubs and win with them.

1-2 year contracts give managers no stability, it’s an inter/AC/Napoli level approach. We were successful historically precisely because we had consistency and trusted our manager.

 

[zizinho]

Thats speculation and something that surely would fit your narrative. But lets assume you are right. So what happened to the clear-out this time, after the management was wrong and took him back with much more influence now? Where was the clear-out. Why did we accumulate more shit like Rugani and De Sciglio?

Most of these rottening players are acquired during his stint. If he really is a yes-man and just let the management handle all hires and extensions, then I prefer a manager with balls who can formulate his ideas and convince our directors to join his party and give him what he wants.

But what you are saying more or less is that you dont care much what Allegri did in his last 1-2 years here (in terms of development of the team) or this year or the next 3 years. He earned his 4 year pension as a Juve coach by continuing winning Scudettos with Italys supremely best side after taking over from Conte, and by winning 2 CL semi finals. He just deserves it, and thats how our business operate.

What do you understand under clearout? Cancelo, Pjanic, Khedira, Matuidi, Can, D. Costa, Mandzukic all gone, also Ronaldo. A lot of these players Max never coached. Reports in the summer saying exactly that, and that he is excited to coach a "new squad". On the flip side, 1. We are broke, we spent the whole summer getting Locatelli and 2. It's hard to get rid of some of these bums. AS, Szczesny, Bonucci, Rabiot and Ramsey all earn too high wages, Arthurs book value is above 50M at the moment. Defense is aging, midfield in shambles. It will take 2-3 excellent mercatos in both selling and buying department to be back where we were 3-4 years ago.

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who expect us to win the title? But no top 4 is catastrophy! And i im pretty certain we wont get in to top 4 with Allegri!

We Will get no where with allegri! He had his time here - and i respect him for his past merits - but him at the helm right now is terrible! He should never be hired!

pure panic from agnelli again! “He won before and Will do it again” football dosent work like that. We should have sticked with coaches playing modern football.

i dont see any project anymore. Really i dont!

How certain are you?

 

[Strickland]

you don't read tuz too much mate

many of here said that not winning the title is a disaster and a failure for allegri

For me Scudetto was the target starting the season. We have the largest wage budget, most revenue, have a lot of players that know how to win, we should be competing. Of course now is not the time to talk about Scudetto, we need to crawl out of the canyon of failure first, once we do that lets see where we're at.

 

[zizinho]

who expect us to win the title? But no top 4 is catastrophy! And i im pretty certain we wont get in to top 4 with Allegri!

We Will get no where with allegri! He had his time here - and i respect him for his past merits - but him at the helm right now is terrible! He should never be hired!

pure panic from agnelli again! “He won before and Will do it again” football dosent work like that. We should have sticked with coaches playing modern football.

i dont see any project anymore. Really i dont!

How certain are you?

It's more than him. It's Pepe (who was on form), Matri, Giaccherini, De Ceglie AND Estigarribia who played quite a lot for us. Our bench, however, was filled with trash. We had Borriello, Krasic, Pazienza, Padoin and Marrone. We were luck there weren't plenty of injuries surely. We didn't have Tevez and our forward line was weak so we gathered goals mainly from Marchisio's free role and forward runs, since only Matri and Vucinic scored 10 goals.

I'm not going into Conte >>>>>>> Allegri debate nor I'm gonna turn this into Conte conservation. I'm just saying how this team look entirely different when Conte took over. It was mentality switch and mindset that changed which was brilliant. Then results came.

No, I'm not saying that Allegri is as good as Pirlo, before you say that, no. But I'm not seeing much from Allegri since he took over. Plenty of times we played a bit better than Pirlo's squad. Plenty of times we were exactly the same and plenty of times we struggled and grabbed points without showing anything.

If you go back and read posts when we appointed Allegri you'll see he was my first choice and I wanted him badly here. But honestly, I expected a lot more. Sure, our squad may not be ideal, far from that. But struggling and losing to bottom side teams? Our one player earns as much as their full squad. You can't say we have a weak team when we talk about that. It would've been entirely different had we lost to Chelsea, Bayern or City. I'd be first to say how we're way behind those teams and we had to drop points. But showing absolutely ZERO stuff against midtable and bottom table teams, teams that just joined Serie A, that is not acceptable even with "this mid of ours".

You need to understand that with Conte all of our most important players (Pirlo, Buffon, Chiellini, Marchisio, Barzagli, Licht, Vidal) played 33 games at minimum in the league. Pirlo who was on another level that season missed only one game. Also other key players like Bonucci and Vucinic played 3000+ minutes. Our one weak spot was LB where we had De Ceglie, but we soon went 352 and then it was less of a problem with many players rotating there (then in the summer we got Asa). We had no European football that season and the squad was always fresh. But long story short, that team is too good for this one