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s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,653
Establish balance between defence ant attack. Check.
tbh that's far from ideal at the moment. attack is atrocious, due to the lack of quality passes from midfield, injuries and chiesa’s form too. but yeah, overall we look much, much more like an allegri team now, even with this midfield.

a positive result vs inda would be a big boost.
 

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Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,618
People saying that the 1-0 wins are because of Alegri. its not, its because of pur atrociuos attack line. Our attack consists of Bernardeschi, Morata, Kulusevski and Kean which should make you sick to your stomach and make you throw up just by reading their names yet alone watch them play. Our only 2 good attacking players are Dybala and Chiesa, the first one being made of toilet papper and the second one is not even a striker, but a winger. So of course we would struggle to score goals, i am 1000% sure that Alegri would like to win every game with more goals scored but no matter what he does, ke knows the attack is just not good enough.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
We've played poorly in each of the wins other than the one against Chelsea, IMO. At least Max is recognizing this.

But how dare Allegri complain about the performance when we won against a "tough Zenit side." He sounds like a SarriBoy.
You know what's nice? To stop conceding every game all year. To stop getting embarrassed by every half decent side like we were past 2 seasons.

To actually get the organisational and mental fortitude to get the result while playing poorly instead of fall apart like house of cards after first goal you concede even in games we were dominating.

To try to improve on performances step by step, however long it takes, while getting consistent results.


To have a real coach that organises the team and holds them accountable and demands more.


We are getting results, as we should in a team that's in the tax bracket we are. After last 2 years of hell, I cant ask for fuck all else more .

Take everything in baby steps. Anyone who demands more right now is spoilt as fuck, considering how far we fallen recent years.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,321
You know what's nice? To stop conceding every game all year. To stop getting embarrassed by every half decent side like we were past 2 seasons.

To actually get the organisational and mental fortitude to get the result while playing poorly instead of fall apart like house of cards after first goal you concede even in games we were dominating.

To try to improve on performances step by step, however long it takes, while getting consistent results.


To have a real coach that organises the team and holds them accountable and demands more.


We are getting results, as we should in a team that's in the tax bracket we are. After last 2 years of hell, I cant ask for fuck all else more .

Take everything in baby steps. Anyone who demands more right now is spoilt as fuck, considering how far we fallen recent years.
People really need to get their heads out of their behinds. It’s like they were sleeping the last couple years and didn’t notice we’re rebuilding and starting from scratch now.

Max is getting the results whether we perform well or not and that’s all that matters atm.
 

Jäger

Senior Member
May 2, 2021
1,529
I respect the identity the club. Hell, I wouldn’t even be here if I didn’t adjust my antenna TV every few minutes just to watch Juve in the late 90’s as a kid. My views aren’t popular but I do want the club to succeed now and especially in the future. I just have a different outlook on the game. But yes, I’m not a fan of the Azzurri, you’re right there.
You can't reason with Allegri fanboys. Any shred of valid criticism is met with a barrage of abuse and dismissal (sounds familiar?). Of course its unfair to dunk on the man every game for no reason, but not every criticism is unreasonable, regardless of whether it comes when we win or lose. You can still be unhappy with a performance even when we win. People used to attack the likes of Pirlo and Sarri irrespective of the outcome of the game (and rightly so), and no one had a problem with it. But because its Allegri, "our next Alex Ferguson", suddenly he's untouchable. And somehow some people think that this is a test of our love for the club. It has got nothing to do with "hating the identity of the club" and other strawman b.s. that some ppl here go as far as saying. It's about constructive criticism and challenging our current approach.

For example, one thing that truly amazes me is how content juve fans are in general, not just on here, in regards to this corto muso strategy. We were 3 mins from drawing to fricking Zenit and Torino. Go and get the second goal and put the game to bed, ffs. Its not that difficult. And then you wonder why he storms down the tunnel at full time when he plays such a risky game. This strategy will be exposed once we come up against much stronger sides.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,650
You can't reason with Allegri fanboys. Any shred of valid criticism is met with a barrage of abuse and dismissal (sounds familiar?). Of course its unfair to dunk on the man every game for no reason, but not every criticism is unreasonable, regardless of whether it comes when we win or lose. You can still be unhappy with a performance even when we win. People used to attack the likes of Pirlo and Sarri irrespective of the outcome of the game (and rightly so), and no one had a problem with it. But because its Allegri, "our next Alex Ferguson", suddenly he's untouchable. And somehow some people think that this is a test of our love for the club. It has got nothing to do with "hating the identity of the club" and other strawman b.s. that some ppl here go as far as saying. It's about constructive criticism and challenging our current approach.

For example, one thing that truly amazes me is how content juve fans are in general, not just on here, in regards to this corto muso strategy. We were 3 mins from drawing to fricking Zenit and Torino. Go and get the second goal and put the game to bed, ffs. Its not that difficult. And then you wonder why he storms down the tunnel at full time when he plays such a risky game. This strategy will be exposed once we come up against much stronger sides.
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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,321
You can't reason with Allegri fanboys. Any shred of valid criticism is met with a barrage of abuse and dismissal (sounds familiar?). Of course its unfair to dunk on the man every game for no reason, but not every criticism is unreasonable, regardless of whether it comes when we win or lose. You can still be unhappy with a performance even when we win. People used to attack the likes of Pirlo and Sarri irrespective of the outcome of the game (and rightly so), and no one had a problem with it. But because its Allegri, "our next Alex Ferguson", suddenly he's untouchable. And somehow some people think that this is a test of our love for the club. It has got nothing to do with "hating the identity of the club" and other strawman b.s. that some ppl here go as far as saying. It's about constructive criticism and challenging our current approach.

For example, one thing that truly amazes me is how content juve fans are in general, not just on here, in regards to this corto muso strategy. We were 3 mins from drawing to fricking Zenit and Torino. Go and get the second goal and put the game to bed, ffs. Its not that difficult. And then you wonder why he storms down the tunnel at full time when he plays such a risky game. This strategy will be exposed once we come up against much stronger sides.
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juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
You can't reason with Allegri fanboys. Any shred of valid criticism is met with a barrage of abuse and dismissal (sounds familiar?). Of course its unfair to dunk on the man every game for no reason, but not every criticism is unreasonable, regardless of whether it comes when we win or lose. You can still be unhappy with a performance even when we win. People used to attack the likes of Pirlo and Sarri irrespective of the outcome of the game (and rightly so), and no one had a problem with it. But because its Allegri, "our next Alex Ferguson", suddenly he's untouchable. And somehow some people think that this is a test of our love for the club. It has got nothing to do with "hating the identity of the club" and other strawman b.s. that some ppl here go as far as saying. It's about constructive criticism and challenging our current approach.

For example, one thing that truly amazes me is how content juve fans are in general, not just on here, in regards to this corto muso strategy. We were 3 mins from drawing to fricking Zenit and Torino. Go and get the second goal and put the game to bed, ffs. Its not that difficult. And then you wonder why he storms down the tunnel at full time when he plays such a risky game. This strategy will be exposed once we come up against much stronger sides.
That is what the forum needs right now frustrated people taking out their frustration on Allegri
 
Jun 16, 2020
12,435
You can't reason with Allegri fanboys. Any shred of valid criticism is met with a barrage of abuse and dismissal (sounds familiar?). Of course its unfair to dunk on the man every game for no reason, but not every criticism is unreasonable, regardless of whether it comes when we win or lose. You can still be unhappy with a performance even when we win. People used to attack the likes of Pirlo and Sarri irrespective of the outcome of the game (and rightly so), and no one had a problem with it. But because its Allegri, "our next Alex Ferguson", suddenly he's untouchable. And somehow some people think that this is a test of our love for the club. It has got nothing to do with "hating the identity of the club" and other strawman b.s. that some ppl here go as far as saying. It's about constructive criticism and challenging our current approach.

For example, one thing that truly amazes me is how content juve fans are in general, not just on here, in regards to this corto muso strategy. We were 3 mins from drawing to fricking Zenit and Torino. Go and get the second goal and put the game to bed, ffs. Its not that difficult. And then you wonder why he storms down the tunnel at full time when he plays such a risky game. This strategy will be exposed once we come up against much stronger sides.
Well yea, in a way you’re totally right. People would’ve criticized this win if we had Sarri or Pirlo as manager.

But everyone who’s defending Allegri knows that his ceiling is a lot higher than Sarri’s or Pirlo’s, so everyone keeps that in mind and nobody forgets the lack of organization we had in the past two years. Juventini usually start stressing a lot when the team give chances away like it’s nothing. We always tend to think starting from a solid organization.

What I personally like the most about Allegri is his capability to adapt to certain situations and he usually has his changes spot on. This wasn’t the case with Pirlo or Sarri. And we do defend better.

We’re dying for results and everyone is happy with every win we get, doesn’t matter of it are beautiful wins or not. This basically explains the corto muso theorie, where the winner is the winner without any context of playing good or not. While in football people do complain even tho they won.

So the real differences between being pro- or against Allegri Is just being grateful that we have a manager capable of brining the points home, while knowing that many other managers would struggle a lot with this team. I’ve learned that I was highly overrating this team during Allegri’s last season, where I also started to complain even when we won.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
88,993
It's great we're winning and not conceding goals. But I expect a lot more from both Allegri and our players. Plenty of our wins could've ended as a draw because we were lots of things but surely not impressive.

However, the progress is there, that much is visible imo and I'm satisfied with how things are developing. But considering how we play I expect a lot of bumps and lost points due to inability to create and even bigger inability to score upfront due to our limited players.

That being said, I do really really hope we sign one player in January, but somebody to get plenty of minutes, somebody to be a vital key in the upcoming years. I still wish for a great mid player and imo if we get somebody quality our teams performance will increase drastically.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
Chiellini:“Ronaldo left on 28 August, it would have been better for us if he had left earlier. We paid something for it, a little bit of a shock, we paid something for it in terms of points. If he had left earlier we would have had time to prepare better.”
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
We are getting results, as we should in a team that's in the tax bracket we are. After last 2 years of hell, I cant ask for fuck all else more .

Take everything in baby steps. Anyone who demands more right now is spoilt as fuck, considering how far we fallen recent years.
I think most people conveniently forget that the actual downfall started with Max which eventually resulted in him getting sacked, and majority of the Juve fanbase world wide somewhat agreed that it was the right decision. Back then the team was arguably better. A shit coach like Sarri achieved the same result as Allegris last season, more or less.

How come this simple football and step-wise improvements were not implemented back then, and what makes us believe that now everything is gonna go great?
- This season started out as the worst season start in our history, just in the last 5 games have we gotten somewhat in control, at least defensively. But attack is still lacking and to be solved (which we can probably do) and we are still far behind in the league.
Personally Im not yet ready to bet on whether this season will be a success or another failure. It can go both ways, 5 times 1-0 victories (against some strong teams!) are still a small sample and what happens next time we throw points, how will we react? If we keep Inter away from noteworthy chances in next game, while staying in control and produces big chances ourselves, then I will start to believe that we can do something in Serie A this year (10 points to catch up on) + CL.
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
does it get any much stronger than chelsea though

once again, context matters. this guy is one of my favorite twitter people, he usually makes a balanced point:


and he never was an allegri fan to begin with.
The recent streak is indeed impressive, including wins against Roma, Chelsea and Zenit away. Still too early and few examples, to tell where this season will go IMO. By January we will have a much better idea.
 

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