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LiquidPLP

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IlCapitano said:
He's not a winger either, he's Ronaldo. He doesn't have a set position, but he doesn't have the mentality, patience and movement of a #9. He's so used to having the ball that even when he starts as #9 he moves out a lot and leaves the box empty.

Maybe for a game here and there as I said playing on counters. Over an entire season? No chance. You'd have so little shots and chances inside the box because Ronaldo is not staying there and waiting for the ball.
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#9s take part in buildup these days too. Heck, even some of them move around the pitch freely, see Ibra and Kane.

The bottom line is where the team benefits from him the most and that's obviously when he's in the penalty box. If he agreed to be the #9 he'd also have much less defensive duties, he could almost stand still as far as tactics are concerned. He doesn't have the same pace/explosiveness to play outside/on the wing anymore but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to move around freely. If you're saying he's not a classic CF like Icardi/Trezeguet, then it seems like we all agree.

The biggest downside is he pretty much never battles it out with defenders with his back to the goal, he's not even trying. I guess we can get away with that, he's still a beast in the air and a counter-attacking predator
 

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LiquidPLP said:
#9s take part in buildup these days too. Heck, even some of them move around the pitch freely, see Ibra and Kane.

The bottom line is where the team benefits from him the most and that's obviously when he's in the penalty box. If he agreed to be the #9 he'd also have much less defensive duties, he could almost stand still as far as tactics are concerned. He doesn't have the same pace/explosiveness to play outside/on the wing anymore but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to move around freely. If you're saying he's not a classic CF like Icardi/Trezeguet, then it seems like we all agree.

The biggest downside is he pretty much never battles it out with defenders with his back to the goal, he's not even trying. I guess we can get away with that, he's still a beast in the air and a counter-attacking predator
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My biggest concern is that he doesn’t occupy the same space as a real 9 does, we’ve seen it multiple times at Juve and Portugal. But it’s worth trying.
 
IlCapitano

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LiquidPLP said:
#9s take part in buildup these days too. Heck, even some of them move around the pitch freely, see Ibra and Kane.

The bottom line is where the team benefits from him the most and that's obviously when he's in the penalty box. If he agreed to be the #9 he'd also have much less defensive duties, he could almost stand still as far as tactics are concerned. He doesn't have the same pace/explosiveness to play outside/on the wing anymore but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to move around freely. If you're saying he's not a classic CF like Icardi/Trezeguet, then it seems like we all agree.

The biggest downside is he pretty much never battles it out with defenders with his back to the goal, he's not even trying. I guess we can get away with that, he's still a beast in the air and a counter-attacking predator
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Yeah they come for the ball deep, play with their back to the goal, carry defenders on their back sometimes, play a quick pass to the side and then sprint to the box. None of which Cristiano ever did. He is a faceup player, going at defenders. But to do that you need someone behind the defense as a threat and if CR is your 9 you just have him going at 3-4 guys.

Other than score a lot of goals he does absolutely nothing a 9 does.

And the defensive stuff is overblown too. No matter where he plays he is not going to be wide in defensive phase. If both he and Dybala play it will be 442 defensively and if only one plays it will be 451 with them staying centrally.
 
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IlCapitano said:
He's not a winger either, he's Ronaldo. He doesn't have a set position, but he doesn't have the mentality, patience and movement of a #9. He's so used to having the ball that even when he starts as #9 he moves out a lot and leaves the box empty.

Maybe for a game here and there as I said playing on counters. Over an entire season? No chance. You'd have so little shots and chances inside the box because Ronaldo is not staying there and waiting for the ball.
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Games last season where Cristiano started together with Kulu and Chiesa with Dybs and Morata on the bench:

Juventus 3:2 Inter
Juventus 2:0 Napoli (SuperCoppa final)
Juventus 2:1 Atalanta (Coppa final)
Juventus 3:0 Spezia
Juventus 1:1 Verona
Juventus 3:0 Crotone
Juventus 1:2 Porto (CL)

Goals scored: 15 (2.14 per game), goals scored by Ronaldo: 6. I'm not sure, but that's probably better return than we had with Ronaldo starting together with Morata or Dybs.

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IlCapitano said:
Yeah they come for the ball deep, play with their back to the goal, carry defenders on their back sometimes, play a quick pass to the side and then sprint to the box. None of which Cristiano ever did. He is a faceup player, going at defenders. But to do that you need someone behind the defense as a threat and if CR is your 9 you just have him going at 3-4 guys.

Other than score a lot of goals he does absolutely nothing a 9 does.

And the defensive stuff is overblown too. No matter where he plays he is not going to be wide in defensive phase. If both he and Dybala play it will be 442 defensively and if only one plays it will be 451 with them staying centrally.
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If only one of them plays it's standard 433 where you can press the shit out of opposing team. If both, it's 442 where you can be solid defensively, but can't effectively press and you also need to play a workhorse on the Ronaldo side who'll be able to cover LM/CM positions (like Matuidi), which usually ends up with Ronaldo getting double teamed on the left as his support is a one legged LB and a runner.
 
IlCapitano

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Strickland said:
Games last season where Cristiano started together with Kulu and Chiesa with Dybs and Morata on the bench:

Juventus 3:2 Inter
Juventus 2:0 Napoli (SuperCoppa final)
Juventus 2:1 Atalanta (Coppa final)
Juventus 3:0 Spezia
Juventus 1:1 Verona
Juventus 3:0 Crotone
Juventus 1:2 Porto (CL)

Goals scored: 15 (2.14 per game), goals scored by Ronaldo: 6. I'm not sure, but that's probably better return than we had with Ronaldo starting together with Morata or Dybs.

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If only one of them plays it's standard 433 where you can press the shit out of opposing team. If both, it's 442 where you can be solid defensively, but can't effectively press and you also need to play a workhorse on the Ronaldo side who'll be able to cover LM/CM positions (like Matuidi), which usually ends up with Ronaldo getting double teamed on the left as his support is a one legged LB and a runner.
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Last season we played 442 most of the time so he was always going to be labeled as a CF, but I certainly never felt he played as a number 9 because he was moving around a lot. That is different to what Allegri does with his strikers.

Under Sarri he scored 20 goals as LW and 13 as CF. With Allegri 16 as LW and 11 as CF. But this is pointless because as I said no matter what his position is on paper he will never ever stay in the box and play as a pure #9 and he will never ever do what Kane or Ibra do and carry people on his back. He's Ronaldo, you can't change him at 36 years old.

Yeah but we don't have a Matuidi anymore. Rabiot and Morata are much more potent technically, athletically and speed-wise than Matuidi and Mario. They don't have their work rate or fight, but they can compensate in other ways.

Any combination of 2/3 mids and Chiesa/Cuadrado and Morata/Rabiot on the wing defensively will be just fine. Ronaldo can always stay centrally which he has done.
 
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DAiDEViL said:
Sad. The entire team would profit of having him up front as a 9. Much easier to play/set up a tactic without having a non defending hole on the left.
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just play 4-4-2 while he’s here. We have shit options for B2B attacking mids anyways.

Get Locatelli because he’s basically perfect for that 2 man mid. Get Gosens for LB. I’m sure Rabiot or Bentancur can do a passable job as the other mid. Chiesa, Kulu, Cuads, etc as Wide mids/wingers. Morata/Dybala can partner him up front dependent on which one isn’t all moody or in shit form at any given time.

Something like

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Danilo-De Ligt-Bonucci-Gosens
Cuadrado-Locatelli-Rabiot-Chiesa
Dybala-Ronaldo​
 
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DanielSz

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Arcticdaly said:
Funny looking at the differences in these training videos i dont think i seen Pirlo speak one word in any of those videos to the players.

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Allegri is the perfect balance of firm but still fair. Not a lunatic like Sarri or a mute like Pirlo. The type of manager you wanna play for because you know he will make you better.

Also love seeing Fagioli in the middle of the action.
 
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Started our strongest CM and was rewarded with a goal and assist.


Knows talent when he sees it. Grande Max is going to turn N.W.A. into a superstar here.
 
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