Massimiliano Allegri (243 Viewers)

[Bianconero81]

Those are all big ifs! The reality is they bought into a mentality instilled in them and they weren't giving up. We on the other hand have players that no matter what are individualistic and play for themselves.
Allegri isn't leaving as we have no one better out there. Foreign means nothing we need players that play with one mind and fit our system. If we want to play a 433 we need to have the players for that , not left over 352 players forced to play against their strengths. We all speak about our great midfield under conte but seem to discount they were also great because they were in a 352 playing off each other's strengths and covering eAch others weaknesses

Actually, Allegri should resign, unless he's willing to eat some humble pie and recognize his flaws/failings. Moreover, if we train so hard, why the fuck do we always look tired, exhausted and clueless against European opposition? The number of injuries we suffer is also ridiculous. Every single fucking season! Beating up on Serie A minnows and cannon fodder is like stealing lunch from that fat helpless kid in 5th grade. However, when we get to the European ties, at least over the last couple of seasons, we have looked like that bullied 5th grader, not the big bad kid who intimidates and scares.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Bc ur dickriding MDS, Spina and other mediocre/ semi decent Italian players on every occasion while criticizing foreigners... Its just a bit lame at this age, bc most people dont give a fuck about nationality. They just want a team to win.

Where did I do that in the post above? Nowhere and the only one of those two I like a lot is spina not mds. Secondly ajax has mostly homegrown players that are mediocre and they beat us soooooo

 

[Vlad]

Don't give up nobody would have thought tiger woods would win a major but he did

Lol I will never give up wth.. just saying I dont care about players as much as before

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Actually, Allegri should resign, unless he's willing to eat some humble pie and recognize his flaws/failings. Moreover, if we train so hard, why the fuck do we always look tired, exhausted and clueless against European opposition? The number of injuries we suffer is also ridiculous. Every single fucking season! Beating up on Serie A minnows and cannon fodder is like stealing lunch from that fat helpless kid in 5th grade. However, when we get to the European ties, at least over the last couple of seasons, we have looked like that bullied 5th grader, not the big bad kid who intimidates and scares.

I don't see that happening and I think it's two fold. One we have no other option which is better and two allegri knows he can't really go anywhere without winning a CL for his pedigree
Injuries have been a weird thing with Allegri and his staff no matter where he goes. Something there needs to change. Especially that we tend to buy injury prone players

 

[Vlad]

Where did I do that in the post above? Nowhere and the only one of those two I like a lot is spina not mds. Secondly ajax has mostly homegrown players that are mediocre and they beat us soooooo

Other threads, other times... Ajax youth is actually good. But they have the best football academy in the world or thereabout and it took them more than 20 years to reach semis... connect the dots

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Other threads, other times... Ajax youth is actually good. But they have the best football academy in the world or thereabout and it took them more than 20 years to reach semis... connect the dots

I am not disputing that I'm actually agreeing if you read my posts without bias. I said to bianconero 81 that just buying WC players doesn't solve or equal champions league win. We need to use our system to grow great players like Marchisio, Kean etc and Building around that

 

[Mister]

Juventus have held preliminary negotiations with Antonio Conte in case Max Allegri leaves this summer. [Sky]

 

[X Æ A-12]

I think some of you seem to forget this teams policy of giving the manager very little control over transfer policy, signing players based on value for money then chucking a hobble of randos at the coach to figure it out. Forget finding someone better than maxx, how many top coaches at all would agree to that? Even conte noped off because of it.

If you are poop fraudiola are you gonna join juve or stay at a team that bought you 1/4 billion dollars in fullbacks

Maybe instead of blowing our load on joao felix cause il nuovo messi we should allow the coach to sign players specific to how he wants to play so we dont end up with such a silly unbalanced midfield and dybala marking CMs

I am not surprised we are desperate to keep maxx but i am surprised he is willing to stay another year

 

[Bianconero81]

Juventus have held preliminary negotiations with Antonio Conte in case Max Allegri leaves this summer. [Sky]

 

[Vlad]

I am not disputing that I'm actually agreeing if you read my posts without bias. I said to bianconero 81 that just buying WC players doesn't solve or equal champions league win. We need to use our system to grow great players like Marchisio, Kean etc and Building around that

Yeah that wont work. As Ive sad Juve dont have time to develope youth players. We need proven players and success to stay above others. Hence I understand Allegri not gambling on youth. How many WC players have we produced over the last 20 years?

 

[Cerval]

Other threads, other times... Ajax youth is actually good. But they have the best football academy in the world or thereabout and it took them more than 20 years to reach semis... connect the dots

I am not disputing that I'm actually agreeing if you read my posts without bias. I said to bianconero 81 that just buying WC players doesn't solve or equal champions league win. We need to use our system to grow great players like Marchisio, Kean etc and Building around that

We don't necessarily need to buy established players, but we need to focus on players tbat are going to be the next big thing the same way we did when we purchased Vidal or Pogba. Players that we can make world class

We can take a chance with our academy only if they impressed in general or did good with the U23. But our academy is not our strong point unlike Ajax

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yeah that wont work. As Ive sad Juve dont have time to develope youth players. We need proven players and success to stay above others. Hence I understand Allegri not gambling on youth. How many WC players have we produced over the last 20 years?

If we keep this approach of farming out to buy talent ? We will never produce any. This is why Juve , serie A and the National team all struggle. Italian teams don't focus on the youth and we buy buy buy and our league, teams and national squad are weaker for it

 

[AndreaCristiano]

We don't necessarily need to buy established players, but we need to focus on players tbat are going to be the next big thing the same way we did when we purchased Vidal or Pogba. Players that we can make world class

We can take a chance with our academy only if they impressed in general or did good with the U23. But our academy is not our strong point unlike Ajax

1. Maybe we need to make it our string point
2. Those players above and others also had a mentality fit that Conte wanted. Since Conte left we buy talent with no mentality

 

[Cerval]

1. Maybe we need to make it our string point
2. Those players above and others also had a mentality fit that Conte wanted. Since Conte left we buy talent with no mentality

For the academy, we need a whole new system and better personnel to train and make the players grow. We need specialists

 

[AndreaCristiano]

For the academy, we need a whole new system and better personnel to train and make the players grow. We need specialists

Agreed. So maybe we invest in that a little more. This current approach comes to an end and leave the team and league in shambles. It happened last time when the big book of the 80s early 90s ended and serie A went to shit because there was no homegrown quality

 

[Vlad]

If we keep this approach of farming out to buy talent ? We will never produce any. This is why Juve , serie A and the National team all struggle. Italian teams don't focus on the youth and we buy buy buy and our league, teams and national squad are weaker for it

No thats not reason. Juventus have always spent on good players from abroad or foreigners but we also poached most of great Italians back in the days. Unfortunately over the last decade there is shortage of talent on peninsula. Talented players would find their way here, but there is no point in stockpiling on mediocrity because they are Italians. We have the right balance, Italian up and coming players like Bernadeschi get their chance while we dont hesitate to buy top players from abroad. The only thing is over the last few years we didnt adress our priorities imo. Juve will never became a team that rellies on youth because success is pretty much out of the window or there would be decades between some meaningful trophy, which would hurt us in every possible way. Its just delusional to think any top team fighting every year for silverware would focus on developing youth.

 

[Cronios]

We will keep Max, we must deal with it forget CL.
He will support the ppl he feels that will support him.
Thats why we will get players like De Ciglio and Bonucci on crucial CL matches, they know they are nothing without this coach and the coach will promote in order to secure the lockers.
As long as they are Italisns, the core of our fans will look sideways and we will suffer CL defeat after defeat...
This is clearly what the Agnelli want...

 

[Vlad]

We don't necessarily need to buy established players, but we need to focus on players tbat are going to be the next big thing the same way we did when we purchased Vidal or Pogba. Players that we can make world class

We can take a chance with our academy only if they impressed in general or did good with the U23. But our academy is not our strong point unlike Ajax

Yeah sure and I think we have been doing that but not every player becomes as good as Pogba so a lot of them just never get a chance bc simply they arent good enough. How many of our discarded youth players had succesful career elsewhere?

 

[Tactical Potato]

The philosophy of "Oh but we don't have better options" is just a bad excuse if you don't want to see new changes and potential improvements.

Signing a proven coach doesn't always guarantee immediate results. Look at Ancelotti with Napoli or Mourinho with Man Utd.

You have the world's greatest goalscoring machine with a mentality of a champion in your team. We just need a guy who can install an attacking philosophy, not a coach who faps on Bonucci's long passes or using strikers to mark opposition's playmakers.

 

[Cerval]

Yeah sure and I think we have been doing that but not every player becomes as good as Pogba so a lot of them just never get a chance bc simply they arent good enough. How many of our discarded youth players had succesful career elsewhere?

I don't disagree haha. Our academy sucks