Massimiliano Allegri (243 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

Cause we've done it in the past.

This is a different team...

With our previous teams, you could see now and then during the season that the potential to raise the level was there, even if we were "conserving energy" most of the time. This season the attack and defence have shown what they can do, but so far the midfield hasn't shown that it can step it up a level or two which will be needed.

 

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[.zero]

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[IlCapitano]

This is a different team...

With our previous teams, you could see now and then during the season that the potential to raise the level was there, even if we were "conserving energy" most of the time. This season the attack and defence have shown what they can do, but so far the midfield hasn't shown that it can step it up a level or two which will be needed.

Every single big game this year we've played at a very high level. All in CL (even @YB we should've won if CR bothered to show up), then Napoli, Milan, Inter, Roma in the league.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Every single big game this year we've played at a very high level. All in CL (even @YB we should've won if CR bothered to show up), then Napoli, Milan, Inter, Roma in the league.

Hmm, maybe you're right. My memory is bad when it comes to Juve these days.

Ah well, I'm only hoping that we're saving something better for later.

 

[dolph]

I wonder if Pep views Juve as like this ultimate challenge to turn into tiki taka

Pants coming of.

Getting Pep would be epic. You all know the first things he is going to do is ship Mandzu to China, and turn Dybala into the next Aguero.

 

[Stephan]

Based on what piece of evidence?

We complain about our midfield and drop points in CL even when playing 3 of our CMs.

We need to play to our strengths. Our strengths are not fielding 3 of our static midfielders. That's like playing with a man less in our case.

CL final 2017. Real Madrid world class midfield with Kroos, Isco, Modric, Casemiro overrun our midfield.


Dont see this trend with other big teams either so i dont know why gamble.

 

[Snobist]

He needs to get his shit together! This team has all what it takes to win all games by 3-0! Come on EUROMAX!

 

[pavluska]

This is a different team...

With our previous teams, you could see now and then during the season that the potential to raise the level was there,

Oh you could see that huh.

Sure you and your kin weren't complaining then too?

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Based on what piece of evidence?

We complain about our midfield and drop points in CL even when playing 3 of our CMs.

We need to play to our strengths. Our strengths are not fielding 3 of our static midfielders. That's like playing with a man less in our case.

It depends on who's playing.

With Pjanic, it needs to be a three-man central midfield.

Otherwise, it should be two: Can-Matuidi. (And I think that's the best all things considered.)

Said as much in summer or at start of the season. Allegri also finally came to the same conclusion after Lazio game (w/o mentioning which is better). He had to play 3-man mid w/o Pjanic vs Atalanta b/c Can was ill and Pjanic wasn't 100%.

 

[juve103423]

CL final 2017. Real Madrid world class midfield with Kroos, Isco, Modric, Casemiro overrun our midfield.


Dont see this trend with other big teams either so i dont know why gamble.

That was quite a different team we had back then. De Sciglio, Barzagli, Asamoah all playing and Ronaldo on the other side.
Had we put current Matuidi - Pjanic - Khedira out there, they would have gotten murdered as well I think.

I think every team is trying to play to their strengths, and I dont see how benching our expensive winger acquisitions and fielding our mediocre midfielders is us utilizing our best strengths. If we had bought Pogba and SMS, then yes, let us shape our team around our strong midfield axis to carry us. But we have Khedira, Matuidi, Pjanic (not the shiny one we thought we bought), Bentancur and Can. Who are good fillers and good at side passes. Not long range shots, dribbles and speed.

 

[zizinho]

Can Matuidi best

 

[pavluska]

CL final 2017. Real Madrid world class midfield with Kroos, Isco, Modric, Casemiro overrun our midfield.


Dont see this trend with other big teams either so i dont know why gamble.

That team was balanced (thanks to Mario doing the work of a DM defensively, and Khedira was slightly faster) up till the final.

In the final, Khedira wasn't 100% from the start (Marchisio should've started) and both Mandzukic and Pjanic were limping by half time.

Losing the game after that was inevitable one way or the other. For that midfield to be balanced, all three needed to be fit.

Real players were purposefully targeting Mandzo bumping into him and kicking him (well done Zidane).

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Oh you could see that huh.

Sure you and your kin weren't complaining then too?

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It depends on who's playing.

With Pjanic, it needs to be a three-man central midfield.

Otherwise, it should be two: Can-Matuidi. (And I think that's the best all things considered.)

Said as much in summer or at start of the season. Allegri also finally came to the same conclusion after Lazio game (w/o mentioning which is better). He had to play 3-man mid w/o Pjanic vs Atalanta b/c Can was ill and Pjanic wasn't 100%.

Don't be rude, child

 

[pavluska]

Don't be rude, child

I choose to blame the walls of anti-Allegri posts for my triggered state.

 

[Juvenann]

Those 2 members are probably one of the worst posters I have ever witnessed on this Forums.

All pro-Manzu posters are great.

 

[Bianconero81]

All pro-Manzu posters are great.

You're only slightly biased I see

 

[X Æ A-12]

That's Torres, not Mandzukic.

-rep

Funny how he couldnt find a gif of mandzu to illustrate his point

 

[Stephan]

That was quite a different team we had back then. De Sciglio, Barzagli, Asamoah all playing and Ronaldo on the other side.
Had we put current Matuidi - Pjanic - Khedira out there, they would have gotten murdered as well I think.

I think every team is trying to play to their strengths, and I dont see how benching our expensive winger acquisitions and fielding our mediocre midfielders is us utilizing our best strengths. If we had bought Pogba and SMS, then yes, let us shape our team around our strong midfield axis to carry us. But we have Khedira, Matuidi, Pjanic (not the shiny one we thought we bought), Bentancur and Can. Who are good fillers and good at side passes. Not long range shots, dribbles and speed.

De sciglio was at Milan then. Dont think Asamoah started. I am talking about 2017 CL final here.

 

[pavluska]

I think every team is trying to play to their strengths, and I dont see how benching our expensive winger acquisitions and fielding our mediocre midfielders is us utilizing our best strengths. If we had bought Pogba and SMS, then yes, let us shape our team around our strong midfield axis to carry us. But we have Khedira, Matuidi, Pjanic (not the shiny one we thought we bought), Bentancur and Can. Who are good fillers and good at side passes. Not long range shots, dribbles and speed.

Exactly. Rather have one of our good wingers start over one of the so-so at best CMs.

And only the Can-Matuidi pair makes the midfield/team balanced with a 2-CM formation. Sub Can for anyone else, and that's too light.

Latest evidence: Chievo game. Last time we played as well was a while ago.

 

[abrakadaver07]

2 central mids in CL? Suicide against big teams.

Say what you will but a double pivot got us to our last CL final.

 

[IliveForJuve]

It's taking him too long to find the best formation/lineup. Our football has only gotten more cancerous as the season goes on.

But he's entitled to the benefit of the doubt until we suffer a catastrophic exit against Atlético.