You’re assessment is correct. We do not create enough chances especially in this God forsaken 433. The midfield players we have do not work well in this formation. It stifles movement from back to front.
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This is basically the inversed Lazio game
0 shots on target over the entire game but now we were on the conceding side
but instead of taking note there and then everybody went like hurr durr euromax winning mentality, as if it was anything but luck/individual brillance
bottom line: if you don't give a fuck it will backfire and you shouldn't mistake luck for skill
0 shots on target over the entire game but now we were on the conceding side
but instead of taking note there and then everybody went like hurr durr euromax winning mentality, as if it was anything but luck/individual brillance
bottom line: if you don't give a fuck it will backfire and you shouldn't mistake luck for skill
Thanks for your comments, are pretty much appreciated from the standpoint of a neutral. They are appreciated because some people here are very fast to call some of us biased and trolls, but like i have been saying, you cant hide the elephant in the room forever and sooner or later this was bound to happen.
The same thing said a friend of mine who is a barcelona fan when he saw our game against madrid in the bernabeu. He said to me "now i know what u meant about juventus tactics and their gameplay...juventus truly plays bad, their passes are super inconsistent and have no idea how to attack, but they are a brave squad".
In summary, i think allegri ran his course in this team. Asd good as he is, we need a more proactive coach who teaches us how to grab the game by the balls and teach our midfielders and forwards how to attack and how to defend, both things at the same time.
Allegri focus so much on defensive tactics that it seems he doesnt know how to teach the team to attack in patterns or to attack space without the ball.
Im just tired of this. IM tired that we are wasting time and players. We need a new coach. I never had doubts but now i think its a must and the board needs to take action or we risk another season of playing nonsense defensive football. This can damage a lot the team.
About the scudetto, i still think theres a big chance that Napoli will fumble it even with Juventus playing like shid...but we for sure deserve to lose with the nonchalant attitude and lack of everything that we have right now.
The same thing said a friend of mine who is a barcelona fan when he saw our game against madrid in the bernabeu. He said to me "now i know what u meant about juventus tactics and their gameplay...juventus truly plays bad, their passes are super inconsistent and have no idea how to attack, but they are a brave squad".
In summary, i think allegri ran his course in this team. Asd good as he is, we need a more proactive coach who teaches us how to grab the game by the balls and teach our midfielders and forwards how to attack and how to defend, both things at the same time.
Allegri focus so much on defensive tactics that it seems he doesnt know how to teach the team to attack in patterns or to attack space without the ball.
Im just tired of this. IM tired that we are wasting time and players. We need a new coach. I never had doubts but now i think its a must and the board needs to take action or we risk another season of playing nonsense defensive football. This can damage a lot the team.
About the scudetto, i still think theres a big chance that Napoli will fumble it even with Juventus playing like shid...but we for sure deserve to lose with the nonchalant attitude and lack of everything that we have right now.
With Allegri it seems to be one step forward two steps backwards, we played a very aggressive and organised game against Real and totally blew them out of the water in Madrid. Allegri did not expand on that and keep the momentum going he has reverted back to his usual cautious approach again and we paid the price for his overly conservative approach
Not having any shots on target and in general no attacking play is very worrying as a fan to see such a performance in such an important game, I think because it has worked for him in the past he was reluctant to go against his principals but he definitely took a big gamble with his approach last night and unfortunately for us it backfired
It's become more clear to me now that he has probably taken us as far as he can take us, that final CL step to lift the trophy looks to be quite far away with the current setup we have so it's probably looking like there is going to be big changes in staff come the Summer
Not having any shots on target and in general no attacking play is very worrying as a fan to see such a performance in such an important game, I think because it has worked for him in the past he was reluctant to go against his principals but he definitely took a big gamble with his approach last night and unfortunately for us it backfired
It's become more clear to me now that he has probably taken us as far as he can take us, that final CL step to lift the trophy looks to be quite far away with the current setup we have so it's probably looking like there is going to be big changes in staff come the Summer
This may not have the same exact relation but when Conte left , we were talking about how far we are from Europe's elite and whether we have the squad and the mentality to compete with the elite. Allegri disproved that.
Now the problem is Allegri is unable to get the best out of our attackers or have a proper attacking plan. Who's to say the new coach won't be able to setup the team to get the best out of Dybala and Higuain and the rest ? And perhaps even achieve the CL dream ? Attack is our strongest area now and we need to get the best possible outcome from it.
Ofcourse there are valid arguments about selling Dybala and improve the overall team and get the team play better. But it would be twice in 3 years we've let go off fantasy players (Pogba and potentially Dybala) and these are game-changers that can create something out of nothing. We would miss those type in CL in a tightly contested affair when we no longer have them.
Now the problem is Allegri is unable to get the best out of our attackers or have a proper attacking plan. Who's to say the new coach won't be able to setup the team to get the best out of Dybala and Higuain and the rest ? And perhaps even achieve the CL dream ? Attack is our strongest area now and we need to get the best possible outcome from it.
Ofcourse there are valid arguments about selling Dybala and improve the overall team and get the team play better. But it would be twice in 3 years we've let go off fantasy players (Pogba and potentially Dybala) and these are game-changers that can create something out of nothing. We would miss those type in CL in a tightly contested affair when we no longer have them.
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I agree fully with this. Juventus are not that attacking fluid team like many other top clubs, but rely a lot on defensive organisation, even though its a pretty outdated tactic.
Its good to have a lot of solidity in the defensive area of youre team, but as I mentioned earlier today: If you aim to win the CL, you simply need to play as great attacking football as defensive. All the teams who won the CL in newer time are attacking minded teams (bar Chelsea) who knows how to take the game to their opponent and dominate them. I think Juventus as a team can do this as well, they have showed it at times, but the problem is the defensive approach are too deep coded in the players and their mindset.
And it doesent help when you have a coach that always aim for the defensive play as Allegri instead of trying go more out and take the challenge up - its always a balance and I dont say you should do it in worst Pep fashion and naive football philosophy. But there is a middle ground, and Juventus has to get there. I mean.. At home to Napoli and Tottenham and you let them dominate the shit out of you?
I would be furious if that happened with Bayern Munich at Allianz Arena and the coach would be gone when the game was over - offcourse exaggerating, but it would never be accepted here, also not in Madrid or Barcelona. You simply cant let opposition come to youre home ground and allow them dictating the game troughout 80 mins or more. No top clubs with ambitions should accept that.
Allegri is a great coach, but his approach are at times so strange and outdated.
Its good to have a lot of solidity in the defensive area of youre team, but as I mentioned earlier today: If you aim to win the CL, you simply need to play as great attacking football as defensive. All the teams who won the CL in newer time are attacking minded teams (bar Chelsea) who knows how to take the game to their opponent and dominate them. I think Juventus as a team can do this as well, they have showed it at times, but the problem is the defensive approach are too deep coded in the players and their mindset.
And it doesent help when you have a coach that always aim for the defensive play as Allegri instead of trying go more out and take the challenge up - its always a balance and I dont say you should do it in worst Pep fashion and naive football philosophy. But there is a middle ground, and Juventus has to get there. I mean.. At home to Napoli and Tottenham and you let them dominate the shit out of you?
I would be furious if that happened with Bayern Munich at Allianz Arena and the coach would be gone when the game was over - offcourse exaggerating, but it would never be accepted here, also not in Madrid or Barcelona. You simply cant let opposition come to youre home ground and allow them dictating the game troughout 80 mins or more. No top clubs with ambitions should accept that.
Allegri is a great coach, but his approach are at times so strange and outdated.
Why so?
Even if we lose the league, this should be nothing more than the Monaco win of Ligue 1.
We will continue to be favorites for many years to come. We have a lot of very experienced players who won many scudettos. We have whats by far the best squad in Italy. We are an infinitely more attractive destination for players than Napoli ever will be and we are twice as wealthy as they are.
Better squad, better experience, more money and better recruitment. If we lose the title it will definitely have to be a fluke of some kind
Even if we lose the league, this should be nothing more than the Monaco win of Ligue 1.
We will continue to be favorites for many years to come. We have a lot of very experienced players who won many scudettos. We have whats by far the best squad in Italy. We are an infinitely more attractive destination for players than Napoli ever will be and we are twice as wealthy as they are.
Better squad, better experience, more money and better recruitment. If we lose the title it will definitely have to be a fluke of some kind
And that in summary is Juventus. Outdated.
people here are to the point that are brainwashed. Like zombies following a zombie.
Like you said, what happened against tot, madrid and now Napoli is unforgivable. What he did in the past with us was excellent...specially his first campaign. But the reality is what we have now, and he definitely cant handle it.
people here are to the point that are brainwashed. Like zombies following a zombie.
Like you said, what happened against tot, madrid and now Napoli is unforgivable. What he did in the past with us was excellent...specially his first campaign. But the reality is what we have now, and he definitely cant handle it.
And thats why I think Juventus in the coming years, when Allegri leaves should look for a coach who have his eyes set on the attacking game - again without being naive offcourse.
Playing attacking, creative and fast football are also the best way to attract new fans. Neutrals love to see this kinda football.
Playing attacking, creative and fast football are also the best way to attract new fans. Neutrals love to see this kinda football.