Massimiliano Allegri (245 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

Dont get what u mean. Our core last couple of years has been BBC + 1-2 good mids and offense player. Pjanic (Pirlo & Vidal before). Tevez was huge. Dybala is trying to emulate that but inconsistent. Higuain was wrong buy for CL ambitions.

I’m saying who do we build our future around ? Right now all our youth is playing somewhere else and Betancour Berna and dybala rugani are the only ones we currently have on roster to build on

 

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[Stephan]

Max has said repeatedly that he sets the team up for Dybala to find space outside the box for shooting opportunities. He is good at those situations. But the expected goals from that scenario will be low.

However, Max recognizes that Dybala has a strength in this area so Higuain pins CBs back and Dybala tries to find space underneath him to shoot.

That's the most you can create when you don't have CMs in your team that can dribble a ball and fullbacks that are non-existent.

I don't understand this "individual brilliance" thing. Do we regularly see Dybala and Higuain $#@!ing slaloming the opposition and hitting top corner? They basically score every goal from inside the box or just outside. How the $#@! does the ball get there? Magnets?

Sandro was supposed to be pretty good offensively.

Costa is supposed to dribble and create.


I think we cant make full conclusions after yesterday. Put Pjanic and Benatia there and game could be very different. Truth be told although Khedira played better yesterday than final we need upgrade. He has those flashes. Like the Milan game. Assist and goal. But he isnt going to be difference maker in CL ties against the big guns anymore.

I disliked the Sandro LW. Also cause i think Costa is better suited LW so he will be less effective RW and u end up both flanks being less effective.

 

[Nedved96]

Back to individual brilliance yet again @Post Ironic @Bianconero_Aus

Anyone who has eyes attached to a brain and watches us play can easily tell that we struggle to create chances. Now there is actual evidence that proves this theory.

Atalanta have created more chances than us this season. What does that tell you about Allegri?

Allegri doesn’t get punished in Serie A for his incompetence because our players are way better than anyone else. In the Champions League, where his superior players advantage disappears, he has been utterly humiliated by both Barcelona and Real Madrid.

 

[MikeM]

It's hard to find young talent when you can't look in your own domestic league. And on top of it, you're at best the 3rd choice league for young international signings.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It's hard to find young talent when you can't look in your own domestic league. And on top of it, you're at best the 3rd choice league for young international signings.

Well the issue there is also a little more to do with the foreigners rule being removed. Once it became easy to buy younger foreigners and a ton of them focus on Italian youth was back burned. We need to cap the foreigners back to 7. Serie a was at its highest when the majority of players were Italian on teams. As a side note the national team is struggling for the same reason

 

[Nedved96]

It's hard to find young talent when you can't look in your own domestic league. And on top of it, you're at best the 3rd choice league for young international signings.

We could easily buy Barella and Torreira if we really tried. I doubt Allegri wants them though. He prefers older, more experienced players. He also likes tall midfielders to play his outdated football.

 

[Stephan]

I’m saying who do we build our future around ? Right now all our youth is playing somewhere else and Betancour Berna and dybala rugani are the only ones we currently have on roster to build on

Thats why i said buy top midfielder to replace Khedira.

Our past core was Buffon-Chil-Bon-Pirlo-Vidal-Tevez.

We had 5 of those players since 2011. We added Tevez 2013.

Then its easy to add supporting cast lets say to that core which we did in Evra-Morata-Pogba (getting older and more mature).

Evra and Morata contributions to our 2015 final run were huge. And they were not expensive additions cause we already had the core.


The new core. Well it doesnt happen overnight thats why its important to start putting in faith to younger players now.


We must sign a top mid.

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It's hard to find young talent when you can't look in your own domestic league. And on top of it, you're at best the 3rd choice league for young international signings.

We keep signing them no? Dybala,Rugani,Berna,Bentancur. Id argue we actually sign more young talent now than under Conte years where it was basically Pogba and Morata wasnt exactly long term signing for us.

Some are young and havent grown full potential yet some have. And we have signed from foreign markets succesfully as well in the past. I dont see the big problem.

But this summer and potentially next are key for new cycle and we need to spend. The q is if we need to sacrifice a Dybala and Sandro for that though.

 

[.zero]

People here are the worst

 

[AndreaCristiano]

People here are the worst

People are just expressing opinions on what is going on. It’s obvious there is something not working at Juve this year. Something is a little off. It’s a bit stale. So everyone is saying what they see

 

[.zero]

Max isn't the one who's off though

 

[Hydde]

People here are the worst

Why? I see no one insulting or saying anything out of line.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Anyone who has eyes attached to a brain and watches us play can easily tell that we struggle to create chances. Now there is actual evidence that proves this theory.

Atalanta have created more chances than us this season. What does that tell you about Allegri?

Allegri doesn’t get punished in Serie A for his incompetence because our players are way better than anyone else. In the Champions League, where his superior players advantage disappears, he has been utterly humiliated by both Barcelona and Real Madrid.

I don't think we've been humiliated by Barca. I do agree that Madrid humiliated us. But who else can do better. I feel allegri is a huge upgrade to Conte in Europe. Maybe Ancelotti?

 

[Nedved96]

I don't think we've been humiliated by Barca. I do agree that Madrid humiliated us. But who else can do better. I feel allegri is a huge upgrade to Conte in Europe. Maybe Ancelotti?

Barca beat us 3-0 at their home, but somehow the 0-0 in Turin was even worse. They benched Messi and were only looking for a draw, and we still looked completely clueless.


Ancelotti is past his prime and I don’t think he’d want to come here. We need a new manager who can teach us how to attack like a team. A manager with fresh ideas. I don’t care if it’s Pochettino, Tuchel, Jardim, Sarri, Inzaghi...


Allegri’s cycle here is finished. He’s done a fantastic job for Juve, but it feels like he is running out of ideas.

 

[Hydde]

Thinkers way too much. Part of that cuz of Beppe, but its also on him.

 

[MikeM]

We could easily buy Barella and Torreira if we really tried. I doubt Allegri wants them though. He prefers older, more experienced players. He also likes tall midfielders to play his outdated football.

You're like a recording. Whoever unbanned you just wants to watch the world burn.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Allegri has no choice because of Higuain/Dybala. You have to play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. End of discussion.

I'm absolutely positive Allegri would prefer a 4-3-3 but in that scenario you're basically benching a "100M striker" (either Higuain or Dybala) for Matuidi, Marchisio or something.

Marotta has to fix this problem. This giant, huge problem our team has. And that is Higuain/Dybala have no chemistry and are not good enough to ask the team to defend with only 8 instead of 9.

1 in 100 coaches would bench Dybala/Higuain.

Spot on.

Anyone who has eyes attached to a brain and watches us play can easily tell that we struggle to create chances. Now there is actual evidence that proves this theory.

Atalanta have created more chances than us this season. What does that tell you about Allegri?

Allegri doesn’t get punished in Serie A for his incompetence because our players are way better than anyone else. In the Champions League, where his superior players advantage disappears, he has been utterly humiliated by both Barcelona and Real Madrid.

By evidence, you mean random numbers, right?

But let's talk about individual brilliance. We just lost to a team full of individuals that are better than our individuals. Does that mean the individual brilliance thing goes both ways?

I'm confused

 

[icemaη]

Spot on.




By evidence, you mean random numbers, right?

But let's talk about individual brilliance. We just lost to a team full of individuals that are better than our individuals. Does that mean the individual brilliance thing goes both ways?

I'm confused

It's individual brilliance if, and only if,
Is coach Allegri? -> Yes -> Individual brilliance

 

[Buck Fuddy]

It's individual brilliance if, and only if,
Is coach Allegri? -> Yes -> Individual brilliance

Ice!

Thanks for clearing this up. I just knew I was missing something.

 

[Gian]

Allegri has no choice because of Higuain/Dybala. You have to play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. End of discussion.

I'm absolutely positive Allegri would prefer a 4-3-3 but in that scenario you're basically benching a "100M striker" (either Higuain or Dybala) for Matuidi, Marchisio or something.

Marotta has to fix this problem. This giant, huge problem our team has. And that is Higuain/Dybala have no chemistry and are not good enough to ask the team to defend with only 8 instead of 9.

1 in 100 coaches would bench Dybala/Higuain.

Been saying that the past few months.

And before this gets solved we shouldn't go on to sign players. Remember when we passed on Tolisso because he couldnt play in a 2 man mid?

 

[Orgut]

I dont think Allegri will leave but if he does - I hope our board get us a tactican but one who like to attack - I think this is a change that must be inserted into Italian football
P.S Im not referring to Napoli when Im saying attack as I think Napoli style of play is ridiculous as they always do the same things and Im really surprised the league didnt realize it yet - Napoli shouldnt be that hard to handle if you play the right way..
Deschamps was linked but I really hope we skip on him as I really dont rate him as a coach..
DP said that coaching is starting to appeal him more and more - I hope to see him in charge one day and deliver what we fail to deliver year after year..

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Allegri has no choice because of Higuain/Dybala. You have to play 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. End of discussion.

I'm absolutely positive Allegri would prefer a 4-3-3 but in that scenario you're basically benching a "100M striker" (either Higuain or Dybala) for Matuidi, Marchisio or something.

Marotta has to fix this problem. This giant, huge problem our team has. And that is Higuain/Dybala have no chemistry and are not good enough to ask the team to defend with only 8 instead of 9.

1 in 100 coaches would bench Dybala/Higuain.

Would you say that a swap of Griezmann+50M for Dybala would be a good one for us?