Massimiliano Allegri (253 Viewers)

[Salvo]

Hmm, I don't know. Yesterday's game was very different for me, even if the result is the same.

Games are always decided by small details, and last night those details utterly destroyed us.

We were caught sleeping early on (no excuses there obviously), but it's not as if that lead to us dropping our heads. We tried to fight back & improved throughout the rest of the first half. Sure, Real's quality still showed, but we were playing along. At halftime this game was not over, despite conceding an early goal against a team like Madrid.
We started the 2nd half quite good as well. I thought we were the better team, but then another inexplicable error ocurred & a minute later we're down to 10. Obviously our heads dropped at that point.

For me the end result does not reflect what happened on the pitch.

Yeah I agree, strangely enough I think we played a lot better than the final and were a tad unlucky

We need more midfielders who can pressure the opposing goal, no one has to close down our mids because they don't really trouble the keeper from distance
You saw Kroos firing rockets from distance, and another player I forget who
With a star mid and some more dynamic play from the midfield two it could've been a different game
Obviously a right back is needed as well, I thought Asa had a really good game defensively but his Crossing was suspect
It wasn't going to happen this year, we are still competitive but we've seen over the course of the year our Achilles heel is the midfield
Needs to be addressed, I'm not too worried about defense provided we buy a really quality right back and give Sandro another year with someone like Spinazzola being the wing back "jolly"

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[Xperd]

We have been over-achieving with Allegri during his entire tenure so i really find it hard to put the blame on anything he does now and going forward tbh.

This current team is nowhere near on par with elite teams because of the declining old players and the mediocre midfield. This is why i had a problem with last summer's mercato. Players like Matuidi and De Sciglio, good , solid players but will only give you a certain level of performance , not beyond that. These were two critical positions which needed more quality. And both are what i would see as quick fixes rather than an essential part of the next cycle.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

that's the problem for me, we shouldn't give up even if it was a one off game, not to mention a two legged tie. when it was 2:0 we should've showed our strong character and values with or without Dybala, but instead we played a disinterested half an hour and were very lucky to concede only once, this easily could've ended 5:0 or 6:0.

you lose games and it's normal against opposition that is objectively stronger, but yesterday we also lost our pride just like in Cardiff and that is not normal unless you're Arsenal

Fair enough.

Yeah I agree, strangely enough I think we played a lot better than the final and were a tad unlucky

We need more midfielders who can pressure the opposing goal, no one has to close down our mids because they don't really trouble the keeper from distance
You saw Kroos firing rockets from distance, and another player I forget who
With a star mid and some more dynamic play from the midfield two it could've been a different game
Obviously a right back is needed as well, I thought Asa had a really good game defensively but his Crossing was suspect
It wasn't going to happen this year, we are still competitive but we've seen over the course of the year our Achilles heel is the midfield
Needs to be addressed, I'm not too worried about defense provided we buy a really quality right back and give Sandro another year with someone like Spinazzola being the wing back "jolly"

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Nah, I truly am done with that guy

 

[pitbull]

Yeah I agree, strangely enough I think we played a lot better than the final and were a tad unlucky

We need more midfielders who can pressure the opposing goal, no one has to close down our mids because they don't really trouble the keeper from distance
You saw Kroos firing rockets from distance, and another player I forget who
With a star mid and some more dynamic play from the midfield two it could've been a different game
Obviously a right back is needed as well, I thought Asa had a really good game defensively but his Crossing was suspect
It wasn't going to happen this year, we are still competitive but we've seen over the course of the year our Achilles heel is the midfield
Needs to be addressed, I'm not too worried about defense provided we buy a really quality right back and give Sandro another year with someone like Spinazzola being the wing back "jolly"

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there was this moment when Asa had all the time in the world to look up, look down at the ball, look up again, aim his cross from a position near to the box and of course he ballooned it way over everyone, even if Higgy was 3 meters tall I doubt he'd get to it

 

[Nedved96]

The criticism of Allegri after this loss has been harsh, but he also gets far too much praise for very simple victories. You have people on here calling him the best manager in the world after beating an average Italian team 1-0. Then when you point out the obvious that we don’t play as a team, and won because we have way better players than everyone else in Serie A, you are scolded and mocked.


Those who can see past the final score and actually watch the football that we play could see this result coming. Our play is not that good, we just have better players than everyone else. Relying on individual brilliance works in Serie A, but it doesn’t work against Real Madrid who have even better players than we do.

 

[JCK]

Why? Coz that full strength line up got smashed by madrid last year with bonucci and alves still on the team. seriously, i find it very hard to put any blame on allegri. Also i don't see any upgrades out there as far as replacements are concerned. We need to spend without settling our best players not change coaches.

This! A million times.

I partially blame Allegri last night for his over cautious approach that led to the opening goal. The line-up too with both Alex Sandro and Asamoah at the same time. but let us do root cause and it goes back to spending without selling your best players.

 

[Gep]

Well if we want to stop nights like these occurring again I suggest we actually start buying some stars who can make that difference in the big games.

 

[JCK]

Simple put, we lost the game in midfield.
how did allegri think a midfield of khedira and bentancur could outcomperte modric isco kroos and camemiro.

No.

 

[Elvin]

Well if we want to stop nights like these occurring again I suggest we actually start buying some stars who can make that difference in the big games.

OR at least not fuckin sell those that we developed ourselves.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

Im scrolling past these last pages and i cant find Allegri's post-match interview. Was it posted already?

 

[Seven]

Why? Coz that full strength line up got smashed by madrid last year with bonucci and alves still on the team. seriously, i find it very hard to put any blame on allegri. Also i don't see any upgrades out there as far as replacements are concerned. We need to spend without settling our best players not change coaches.

We have consistently sold or let go of our best players for years now. Vidal, Tevez, Pogba, Bonucci. These are massive players. It's a miracle we managed to get to the final last year despite our crazy transfers, beating Barcelona along the way.

And then we face a Real Madrid side that has Bale and Asensio on the bench. They would just walk into our first 11. Never mind Ronaldo, Modric or Sergio Ramos, who are miles ahead of anyone we have for their respective positions.. You can't blame Allegri for losing with inferior players.

Our 2014-15 roster was incredible. But it's all gone downhill from there imo.

 

[Vialli_92]

If the management are happy to stand still and just participate Allegri will do the job fine

If the management want to build towards CL success and a project and develop future talents then Allegri is not the manager for us

Allegri will not build for a style of play to take on big teams like Pochettino has done at Tottenham

He is a results manager and lives for today not tomorrow

I would like to see a manager who will be here for the long term that will help create an identity for Juve in the long term

 

[BayernFan]

If the management are happy to stand still and just participate Allegri will do the job fine

If the management want to build towards CL success and a project and develop future talents then Allegri is not the manager for us

Allegri will not build for a style of play to take on big teams like Pochettino has done at Tottenham

He is a results manager and lives for today not tomorrow

I would like to see a manager who will be here for the long term that will help create an identity for Juve in the long term

Allegri is not really the biggest problem for Juventus. The management is, you cant sell a Star player or two every summer and expect big things in the CL.

Another thing is Juve dont have the same economic muscles as the likes of real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and United and cant compete with those anytime in the near future on the money front.

Allegri might be a part of the problem but not the big one.

 

[Elvin]

FIGC is the real problem.

 

[Vialli_92]

Allegri is not really the biggest problem for Juventus. The management is, you cant sell a Star player or two every summer and expect big things in the CL.

Another thing is Juve dont have the same economic muscles as the likes of real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and United and cant compete with those anytime in the near future on the money front.

Allegri might be a part of the problem but not the big one.

Well I don't see an identity with Allegri

He plays a poor style of football and hasn't taken us forward as a team

We peaked in 2015 and it's been a decline in style of play and players

He is too reliant on individuals for the attacking phase of our game

It's clear there is very little coaching done on attacking tactics at Juventus under him

Attack is what wins CL titles these days and we have one of the worst out of all the big teams

Dybala has stagnated and Higuain has regressed under Allegri

He is not the answer for a long term project to challenge the bigger teams

The game could have gone to 180 minutes last night and we still wouldn't have scored

Give me a coach who will allows us to play with confidence and belief in the attacking half

Our tactics are literally pass the ball to Dybala or Costa and make runs anywhere

Clear lack of cohesion and a team in attack

 

[pitbull]

If the management are happy to stand still and just participate Allegri will do the job fine

If the management want to build towards CL success and a project and develop future talents then Allegri is not the manager for us

Allegri will not build for a style of play to take on big teams like Pochettino has done at Tottenham

He is a results manager and lives for today not tomorrow

I would like to see a manager who will be here for the long term that will help create an identity for Juve in the long term

really? what kind of results he has achieved at Spurs?

 

[Vialli_92]

really? what kind of results he has achieved at Spurs?

I was talking about Allegri there

 

[Hust]

I mentioned this in the Morata thread, but yesterday IMO if we had Marchisio playing we would have been better in transition. With Pjanic suspended we simply didn't have the range from midfield for passing. Khedira doesn't really do it and Bentancur doesn't have the range yet (or at least consistently - though he did some of it with the NT this last international break).

With only two CM's and none of them really stellar at moving the ball FORWARD we lacked that vision. We had one engine (Bentancur) and one jack-of-all-trades (Khedira).

Marcelo was smart. On the right side he dropped way back and let someone else cover Costa, so essentially Costa had to go central where he was out numbered. We needed DC further up where he had access to space behind Marcello. The fastest player on the pitch was pretty much suffocated for open space.

Sure we had more attacking players on the field than we usually do but the formation limited them and we have pretty slow strikers. Too often Dybala/Higuain/Costa had to drop back to even get the ball...Asamoah/Sandro pretty much are in different solar systems when playing together.

 

[Nejc]

I don’t think Allegri is getting maximum out of team he has available. Maybe results wise, but I am sure our attackers are capable of more fluid attacking play. Real played some amazing counters and quick buildups yesterday and I dont expect our players to be as succesful in this regard as they are, but our players do not even attempt that.

 

[Hust]

Our counter attacking is horrible. I lost track of how many times this season our final one or two passes are over hit to the wide guy making the run at the far post...they end up chasing the ball to the end line then having to bring it back...by that point their defense is reorganized and set.

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I don’t think Allegri is getting maximum out of team he has available. Maybe results wise, but I am sure our attackers are capable of more fluid attacking play. Real played some amazing counters and quick buildups yesterday and I dont expect our players to be as succesful in this regard as they are, but our players do not even attempt that.

It's hot and cold. Not consistent enough for me and you can't convince me that Dybala/Higuain IS NOT the best partnership in Serie A...yet you see players like Icardi/Immobile leading the charts. At least one of ours should be IMO....