Massimiliano Allegri (199 Viewers)

[pitbull]

Rugani has the most competition in front of him. And he still has plenty of minutes.

We had the same guys + Bonucci last year, yet his role hasn't changed, you'd think gradual introduction or introduction of any kind would have some progress by now. All that competition will be here next year too + Caldara, tbh. Id be surprised if Rugani stays.


We can argue about the necessity of introducing youngsters and whether we should do it at expense of results, but fact is Allegri isnt doing it much

 

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[Bianconero_Aus]

We had the same guys + Bonucci last year, yet his role hasn't changed, you'd think gradual introduction or introduction of any kind would have some progress by now. All that competition will be here next year too + Caldara, tbh. Id be surprised if Rugani stays.


We can argue about the necessity of introducing youngsters and whether we should do it at expense of results, but fact is Allegri isnt doing it much

Chiellini and Barzagli will be a year older and will start playing less games. Both players are very injury prone too. Juventus fans need to practice patience. Also, CBs(especially Italian ones) tend to peak later in their careers.

Maybe Allegri should just fuck around with a winning team just to play everyone’s favourite youngsters.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

What’s our record with the 433?


Conceded? Win? Loses? Draws? Goals scored? Possession %?

But we are boring to watch and not scoring enough

 

[pitbull]

Chiellini and Barzagli will be a year older and will start playing less games. Both players are very injury prone too. Juventus fans need to practice patience. Also, CBs(especially Italian ones) tend to peak later in their careers.

Maybe Allegri should just fuck around with a winning team just to play everyone’s favourite youngsters.

Yeah, thats what I thought last year, but I dont agree with you, Chiellini and Barza will probably play similar minutes next year unless injuries/different manager, Barza already is a reserve and Chiellini is not slowing down.

I'm not saying he should develop youngsters, I'm saying jt's foolish to say that he does develop them, because he doesn't, especially the last few years. I'm fine with it as long as he's maximizing our potential, we're a big club competing for big titles. If he was developing youngsters, Beppe would be selling them left and right anyways, at least he can't sell Barza

 

[Rollie]

Gotta remember that Benatia has taken his game to a whole different level this year. He started slowly, and that's why Rugani was getting more minutes, but Mehdi has been playing lights out football for months. So even though Bonucci has left, we've got a guy who, while he doesn't spray the ball all over the field, is every bit as good in the defensive phase as Bonucci was.

Look at the defensive run this team is on. Why change that up? I love the guy, but Rugani is going to have to be patient, work his butt off in practice, and take his opportunity when it presents itself.

 

[pitbull]

Nedved96 is on point when he says that Allegri prefers experienced players and oldies over giving someone unproven a chance, it's pretty obvious, I don't get why everyone is trying to say he's wrong regarding this, current Juventus is one of the worst clubs for a young player to end up in, even half of our Coppa campaign apparently is too important to risk it. The part where he is wrong is saying that Allegri's way is worse than Guardiola's way, given how Allegri has been performing better than Guardiola in the last few years.

Who cares if we don't get the best out of Sturaro, Lemina, Rugani, Bentancur, Pjaca, Berna or gazillion other guys, half of them are not worth the trouble anyways.

 

[Rollie]

Allegri prefers winning championships, Pitbull. So do the people who are trying to make the point opposite to Nedved96. Bit of hyperbole on both sides, but end of the day: Vincere non è importante: è la sola cosa che conti.

We've had one of the top 3 defences in the world for a few years, and after a hiccup to start the season -- and that's a time when Rugani was playing more, and when I personally felt he should be playing pretty much all the time -- things are now once again pretty water tight at the back. If he consistently plays better than Benatia, Chiello, Barzagli, he'll get minutes.

Pogba? Dybala? If players are exceptional, they're going to play. We've had one of the best teams in world football these past few years, it's not SUPPOSED to be easy for young players to get playing time.

Bentancur is 20, be patient. Pjaca had two devastating injuries. Lemina was decent, but not good enough, and Sturaro is absolute garbage.

Bernardeschi is doing just fine, he's going to get more playing time with Cuads going under the knife. It's on him to follow Allegri's directions and seize the opportunity.

 

[Monty]

Allegri prefers winning championships, Pitbull. So do the people who are trying to make the point opposite to Nedved96. Bit of hyperbole on both sides, but end of the day: Vincere non è importante: è la sola cosa che conti.

We've had one of the top 3 defences in the world for a few years, and after a hiccup to start the season -- and that's a time when Rugani was playing more, and when I personally felt he should be playing pretty much all the time -- things are now once again pretty water tight at the back. If he consistently plays better than Benatia, Chiello, Barzagli, he'll get minutes.

Pogba? Dybala? If players are exceptional, they're going to play. We've had one of the best teams in world football these past few years, it's not SUPPOSED to be easy for young players to get playing time.

Bentancur is 20, be patient. Pjaca had two devastating injuries. Lemina was decent, but not good enough, and Sturaro is absolute garbage.

Bernardeschi is doing just fine, he's going to get more playing time with Cuads going under the knife. It's on him to follow Allegri's directions and seize the opportunity.

Wow even better said, better than the other post i just gave you a +rep for

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I feel like nedved should open up another thread just for his arguments as I've just seen the same stuff non stop in every thread for the past so many weeks

 

[pitbull]

Allegri prefers winning championships, Pitbull. So do the people who are trying to make the point opposite to Nedved96. Bit of hyperbole on both sides, but end of the day: Vincere non è importante: è la sola cosa che conti.

We've had one of the top 3 defences in the world for a few years, and after a hiccup to start the season -- and that's a time when Rugani was playing more, and when I personally felt he should be playing pretty much all the time -- things are now once again pretty water tight at the back. If he consistently plays better than Benatia, Chiello, Barzagli, he'll get minutes.

Pogba? Dybala? If players are exceptional, they're going to play. We've had one of the best teams in world football these past few years, it's not SUPPOSED to be easy for young players to get playing time.

Bentancur is 20, be patient. Pjaca had two devastating injuries. Lemina was decent, but not good enough, and Sturaro is absolute garbage.

Bernardeschi is doing just fine, he's going to get more playing time with Cuads going under the knife. It's on him to follow Allegri's directions and seize the opportunity.

We fully agree, results > any individual youngster. I just disagreed with these posts that say that Max is good with young players, he clearly isn't, at least not at Juventus, giving a debut to Kean or Coman doesn't change that. Most of our young players hardly improve at all apart from maybe adapting to league/our tactics, I honestly think Sturaro has gotten worse during his years at Juventus, not that he was brilliant to start with, but at this point he's not close to being a reliable backup CM.

Max
he is good with developing young players, even though it doesn't happen quick enough for some tuzzers.

Max is one of the few Italian managers (of a top team) who gives a chance to youngsters (he debuted a 16 year old Kean FFS), he just likes to gradually introduce them.

 

[Maddy]

We fully agree, results > any individual youngster. I just disagreed with these posts that say that Max is good with young players, he clearly isn't, at least not at Juventus, giving a debut to Kean or Coman doesn't change that. Most of our young players hardly improve at all apart from maybe adapting to league/our tactics.

The following youngsters has been in Allegris first team squads in the beginning of a season - 17/18 excluded (age first season with Allegri):

- Pogba (22)
- Sturaro (22)
- Pereyra (24)
- Morata (22)
- Coman (19)
- Audero (19)
- Rugani (21)
- Lemina (22)
- Dybala (22)
- Mattiello (21)
- Mandragora (20)
- Pjaca (22)
- Kean (17)

Of the mentioned above. Who have Allegri failed with? Italian football is conservative. Allegri is obviously affected by this approach, but to claim he isn't good with youngsters is another thing. Using Man City who can handpick the greatest talents and have a far less strict tactical approach that leaves young players error-proneness easily forgiven is simply dumb - the amount of errors John Stones have made this season, would have left him on loan in Pro Vercelli.

 

[Monty]

I feel like @Nedved96 should open up another thread just for his arguments as I've just seen the same stuff non stop in every thread for the past so many weeks

 

[pitbull]

The following youngsters has been in Allegris first team squads in the beginning of a season - 17/18 excluded (age first season with Allegri):

- Pogba (22)
- Sturaro (22)
- Pereyra (24)
- Morata (22)
- Coman (19)
- Audero (19)
- Rugani (21)
- Lemina (22)
- Dybala (22)
- Mattiello (21)
- Mandragora (20)
- Pjaca (22)
- Kean (17)

Of the mentioned above. Who have Allegri failed with? Italian football is conservative. Allegri is obviously affected by this approach, but to claim he isn't good with youngsters is another thing. Using Man City who can handpick the greatest talents and have a far less strict tactical approach that leaves young players error-proneness easily forgiven is simply dumb - the amount of errors John Stones have made this season, would have left on loan in Pro Vercelli.

To claim that a manager is good with youngsters he has to be more than "not a failure". Which of the players would you say Allegri developed? Absolute majority were/are stagnating during their time here.

 

[Maddy]

To claim that a manager is good with youngsters he has to be more than "not a failure". Which of the players would you say Allegri developed?

Developed? He isn't the coach of the Primavera. His job isn't to developed, but to integrate and get the best out of the players at hand. Most of the names have played their best football under Allegri, and few have left to become better if any, besides Coman.

 

[Monty]

To claim that a manager is good with youngsters he has to be more than "not a failure". Which of the players would you say Allegri developed? Absolute majority were/are stagnating during their time here.

That's what Atalanta and Sassuolo are for

 

[pitbull]

Developed? He isn't the coach of the Primavera. His job isn't to developed, but to integrate and get the best out of the players at hand. Most of the names have played their best football under Allegri, and few have left to become better if any, besides Coman.

Out of all those guys Allegri probably got the best out of Pogba (although it was Conte who unleashed him), but definitely not Sturaro, Pereyra, Coman, Audero, Rugani, Lemina, Mattiello, Mandragora or Pjaca, we never would've bought them if we knew in hindsight how it'd turn out, might as well just bring in an experienced filler. We buy youth hoping that some of them would improve and become starters eventually, yet these guys never did.

Even with Dybala, who's possibly our most talented forward since Del Piero, Allegri's struggling to realize his true potential and the two are clashing often. I can't shake the feeling Dybala's going to explode on another level if he makes the right move after Juventus.

He's not horrible with handling young players, he's a top class coach after all, but to me it's clear he's also not good at it during his time at Juve, probably because of the treble expectations. I remember him being good at handling young players in Milan and Cagliari.

 

[Hust]

But we are boring to watch and not scoring enough

Ugly football

 

[GiocataGrande]

so much whining and overly negative, excessive, self-absorbed unhappiness over one's own troubles. Grown men crying because theyre favourite "boy" didnt get enough playing time.


Max is doing good ffs!

He has his set of issues, but so does every other manager in the atmosphere, its normal.

There are a lot of improvements that Max can make but those problems can be fixed later in the season as we progress, and we are not in critical troubles by any means.

If there is one thing you should know by being a Juve supporter its that we more or less always finish our seasons strongly. Have some faith and fix your diapers. :scarf:

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Max has proven TIME and TIME AGAIN our team can play pleasant football. People seem to forget how well we usually played at the CL knockout phase.

Right now sure there’s little enjoyment to the way we play but it could be due to many factors. New formation, new players, etc.

What’s important is that we’re getting the wins.

 

[pitbull]

so much whining and overly negative, excessive, self-absorbed unhappiness over one's own troubles. Grown men crying because theyre favourite "boy" didnt get enough playing time.


Max is doing good ffs!

He has his set of issues, but so does every other manager in the atmosphere, its normal.

There are a lot of improvements that Max can make but those problems can be fixed later in the season as we progress, and we are not in critical troubles by any means.

If there is one thing you should know by being a Juve supporter its that we more or less always finish our seasons strongly. Have some faith and fix your diapers.

You and others are whining about whining way more than anyone's whining though. Whats wrong with discussing Allegri's characteristics?

 

[GiocataGrande]

You and others are whining about whining way more than anyone's whining though. Whats wrong with discussing Allegri's characteristics?

point is: its the same old arguments all the time: "he is too stubborn" "he plays boring football". Its getting so old.


Max is Max. He is a really good stubborn Italian Coach. Appreciate him a little bit. Many clubs would be more than happy too have him!

We all know Allegri is no Pep Guardola, but he has done great for this club.

If you keep expecting him to play overly offensive tiki-taka football, you will forever be in dissapointment.