Massimiliano Allegri (219 Viewers)

[zizinho]

You clearly hardly watched us last season.

he even admits to not watch us play (we too boring for him), so i wouldnt take what he says about Juve seriously. if i have a question about United or Barca hiowever, i know who im gonna ask. same goes for Liverpool and City, Nedved96 is my guy

 

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[Post Ironic]

he even admits to not watch us play (we too boring for him), so i wouldnt take what he says about Juve seriously. if i have a question about United or Barca hiowever, i know who im gonna ask. same goes for Liverpool and City, Nedved96 is my guy

Vialli thinks chances like this are half-chances created by individual brilliance:


We drew this match 1-1 because of this miss btw

 

[zizinho]

Vialli thinks chances like this are half-chances created by individual brilliance:


We drew this match 1-1 because of this miss btw

if thats the case, then it looks like i was in denial all this time. we dont create nearly enough clear cut chances for our strikers, its a miracle how the guy scored 29 goals despite that

 

[Wittl]

Nedved96 and Vialli_92. The Dynamic Duo. Morten and Peter of 'Tuz.

 

[Vialli_92]

You clearly hardly watched us last season.


80-90% of Higgy's goals last seasons were fantastic chances created by other players.

He's not getting into positions to capitalize this year and is far too slow and poor on and off the ball right now.

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Higgy was 1v1 with the keeper all the time last year, or tapping in multiple crosses or pullbacks. That video shows it.

I counted half of those as good goals that came from some good creativity so that's not 80-90% as you claimed

Secondly most of those were Serie A goals we were already winning Serie A without Higuain and never had problems in the league with winning games

CL games seemed to be where we struggled a lot with making chances

he even admits to not watch us play (we too boring for him), so i wouldnt take what he says about Juve seriously. if i have a question about United or Barca hiowever, i know who im gonna ask. same goes for Liverpool and City, Nedved96 is my guy

Once again you prove how you always have some false agenda to play down my arguments, I only stopped watching us play THIS SEASON never have I said I stopped watching us before this season

 

[zizinho]

CL games seemed to be where we struggled a lot with making chances

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Once again you prove how you always have some false agenda to play down my arguments, I only stopped watching us play THIS SEASON never have I said I stopped watching us before this season

stop lying

 

[Vialli_92]

The few games I watched at the start ofthis season completely turned me off watching Juve as I wasn't enjoying it anymore but it seemed to get much worse our attack

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stop lying

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[Post Ironic]

I counted half of those as good goals that came from some good creativity so that's not 80-90% as you claimed

Secondly most of those were Serie A goals we were already winning Serie A without Higuain and never had problems in the league with winning games

CL games seemed to be where we struggled a lot with making chances


Once again you prove how you always have some false agenda to play down my arguments, I only stopped watching us play THIS SEASON never have I said I stopped watching us before this season

I counted 20 of them were from good creativity. So 70%. Including all his CL goals. Both against Zagreb were created by the team. Both against Monaco. And the other was a penalty against Lyon.

And the great chance Higgy missed against Lyon in the video above was obviously in CL. He also flubbed a fantastic chance against Monaco. And multiple fantastic chances against Barca.

As I said, you clearly don't watch us play.

Like this miss created by a long ball and nice touch by Dybala, that put Higgy in on goal.

 

[Vialli_92]

I counted 20 of them were from good creativity. So 70%. Including all his CL goals. Both against Zagreb were created by the team. Both against Monaco. And the other was a penalty against Lyon.

And the great chance Higgy missed against Lyon in the video above was obviously in CL. He also flubbed a fantastic chance against Monaco. And multiple fantastic chances against Barca.

As I said, you clearly don't watch us play.

Like this miss created by a long ball and nice touch by Dybala, that put Higgy in on goal.

It's not 70% no way at best 50%

Secondly he wasn't put through on goal there he still had one defender in his way with a moment of brilliance he got by him and didn't give the other defender a chance to get close

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half of all his goals were defensive mistakes or Higuain going into beast mode to score from almost nothing

He was actually amazing last year watching those goals it's a pity he dropped off so much this season

 

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The sad part is you think (you said so before) Dybala's first goal against Barcelona was individual brilliance and not great team play to get Dybala the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box in a perfect spot to score.

And because this is the case, you have no idea what a team goal. You don't have to make 20 passes in succession before scoring like Pep teams.

Against Barca in this video. Higgy has a free header @ 1:03 that should have been a goal. He basically passes a shot to the keeper from the top of the box @ 5:15, and then he misses a 1v1 with the keeper @ 5:25. All 3 fantastic chances created by the team, 2 of them should have been goals 100%.


Add to that we also scored a 4th goal from team build-up through Khedira to Cuadrado which was actually onside, but called off.

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It's not 70% no way at best 50%

Secondly he wasn't put through on goal there he still had one defender in his way with a moment of brilliance he got by him and didn't give the other defender a chance to get close

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half of all his goals were defensive mistakes or Higuain going into beast mode to score from almost nothing

He was actually amazing last year watching those goals it's a pity he dropped off so much this season

If you call that video not a team goal, you have no clue what you are talking about. It's a long ball to Dybala, a touch back to Higgy, who gets the ball in full stride and just has to round the defender standing still to be 1v1 with the keeper.

You have no idea about the team work involved in this sport if you consider that a moment of individual brilliance. You could call it 3 moments of individual brilliance. The long ball, the touch back from Dybala, and Higuain running past a defender standing still lol: on the last one), but that's 30% of our players on the pitch. So that's clearly a fantastic chance created by multiple players on the team.

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Individual brilliance tho. Not a team goal. Let's ignore beautiful cross-field pass from Higuain to Cuadrado. Beautiful pass between two defenders from Cuadrado to Dybala on the edge of the 6 yard box in a perfect space to curl into the far corner.

Just because Dybala made a beautiful finish, doesn't make this not a team goal. The fact you don't get this is what boggles the mind.

Stick to your "underwhelming goal, could not celebrate" nonsense and go post more on RatCafe.

 

[Vialli_92]

The sad part is you think (you said so before) Dybala's first goal against Barcelona was individual brilliance and not great team play to get Dybala the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box in a perfect spot to score.

And because this is the case, you have no idea what a team goal. You don't have to make 20 passes in succession before scoring like Pep teams.

Against Barca in this video. Higgy has a free header @ 1:03 that should have been a goal. He basically passes a shot to the keeper from the top of the box @ 5:15, and then he misses a 1v1 with the keeper @ 5:25. All 3 fantastic chances created by the team, 2 of them should have been goals 100%.


Add to that we also scored a 4th goal from team build-up through Khedira to Cuadrado which was actually onside, but called off.

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If you call that video not a team goal, you have no clue what you are talking about. It's a long ball to Dybala, a touch back to Higgy, who gets the ball in full stride and just has to round the defender standing still to be 1v1 with the keeper.

You have no idea about the team work involved in this sport if you consider that a moment of individual brilliance. You could call it 3 moments of individual brilliance. The long ball, the touch back from Dybala, and Higuain running past a defender standing still lol: on the last one), but that's 30% of our players on the pitch. So that's clearly a fantastic chance created by multiple players on the team.

I'm talking about clear goal scoring chances where the attacker is favoured or expected to score

Of course we created chances however compared to the other top teams in Europe we don't create near enough as them but we defended better than most which helped to bridge the gap

A lot of our goals seemed to be goals where you would not be expected to score and half chances, we seemed to be very clinical last season and my criticism was if we weren't so clinical with our chances the goals would dry up and would not score many goals as our chance creation was not good

Sure highlights can show you a different story and prove almost any point you want to make with highlights as it doesn't tell the full picture but from what I seen last season we rarely broke down a defence and got in behind to make 1 on 1 chances something all the big teams don't struggle too much with

 

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Highlights showing multiple 1v1 chances created by the team don't mean anything now...

 

[Vialli_92]

This season seems to be much worse than last it will be interesting to see how the team does against Tottenham as usually Allegri has the team in good shape for the knockouts of the CL so it will be a good time to judge us when that fixture is over

 

[zizinho]

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its highlights from our knock out games, you can (re:watch them on youtube or wherever if you like

 

[Vialli_92]

Highlights showing multiple 1v1 chances created by the team don't mean anything now...

I could make Ronaldo look like the world's best defender with highlights

Tell me where you see the one on one chances and i'll check them again but like I said Serie A was never a problem for us it was the CL when coming up against strong teams we don't seem to create a lot of good chances

 

[Post Ironic]

its highlights from our knock out games, you can (re:watch them on youtube or wherever if you like

Honestly from Vialli and Nedved you'd think 90% of our goals were all wonder strikes from 40 yards out or mazy slalom Messi/Tevez runs through 5 defenders before scoring.

He seems to think several passes build-up before a nice pull-back to say Dybala on the edge of the box who scores is only a moment of individual brilliance, and not nice team build-up to create a chance on the edge of the box for a player who has a great shot from the edge of the box. A spot where large numbers of goals are scored from.

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I could make Ronaldo look like the world's best defender with highlights

Tell me where you see the one on one chances and i'll check them again but like I said Serie A was never a problem for us it was the CL when coming up against strong teams we don't seem to create a lot of good chances

I'm done. I posted multiple videos with 1v1 chances or otherwise clear cut chances in single matches in the CL, for the one against Barca I even posted times of 3 of these chances, and pointed out a 4th incorrectly disallowed goal.

You just spout the same rubbish on repeat. Because we were poor in the group stage last year, and again this year, doesn't say anything about how fantastic we were in terms of good chance creation against both Barca and Monaco last year.

 

[Vialli_92]

Honestly from Vialli and Nedved you'd think 90% of our goals were all wonder strikes from 40 yards out or mazy slalom Messi/Tevez runs through 5 defenders before scoring.

He seems to think several passes build-up before a nice pull-back to say Dybala on the edge of the box who scores is only a moment of individual brilliance, and not nice team build-up to create a chance on the edge of the box for a player who has a great shot from the edge of the box. A spot where large numbers of goals are scored from.

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I'm done. I posted multiple videos with 1v1 chances or otherwise clear cut chances in single matches in the CL, for the one against Barca I even posted times of 3 of these chances, and pointed out a 4th incorrectly disallowed goal.

You just spout the same rubbish on repeat. Because we were poor in the group stage last year, and again this year, doesn't say anything about how fantastic we were in terms of good chance creation against both Barca and Monaco last year.

Yes it's a chance created but they are more or less half chances a lot of them, i'm talking about clear goal scoring chances where the attacker is in a favoured position to score

We don't seem to give our strikers many of those chances in my opinion

I didn't see much of it in our games in last season's CL anyway

 

[Alin]

The sad part is you think (you said so before) Dybala's first goal against Barcelona was individual brilliance and not great team play to get Dybala the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box in a perfect spot to score.

And because this is the case, you have no idea what a team goal. You don't have to make 20 passes in succession before scoring like Pep teams.

Against Barca in this video. Higgy has a free header @ 1:03 that should have been a goal. He basically passes a shot to the keeper from the top of the box @ 5:15, and then he misses a 1v1 with the keeper @ 5:25. All 3 fantastic chances created by the team, 2 of them should have been goals 100%.


Add to that we also scored a 4th goal from team build-up through Khedira to Cuadrado which was actually onside, but called off.

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If you call that video not a team goal, you have no clue what you are talking about. It's a long ball to Dybala, a touch back to Higgy, who gets the ball in full stride and just has to round the defender standing still to be 1v1 with the keeper.

You have no idea about the team work involved in this sport if you consider that a moment of individual brilliance. You could call it 3 moments of individual brilliance. The long ball, the touch back from Dybala, and Higuain running past a defender standing still lol: on the last one), but that's 30% of our players on the pitch. So that's clearly a fantastic chance created by multiple players on the team.

Valid point of view, facts not assumptions. :tup.

Tbh i am really starting to think that this guy believes that Higuain's or Dybala's positioning are somehow random...

 

[zizinho]

Honestly from Vialli and Nedved you'd think 90% of our goals were all wonder strikes from 40 yards out or mazy slalom Messi/Tevez runs through 5 defenders before scoring.

He seems to think several passes build-up before a nice pull-back to say Dybala on the edge of the box who scores is only a moment of individual brilliance, and not nice team build-up to create a chance on the edge of the box for a player who has a great shot from the edge of the box. A spot where large numbers of goals are scored from.

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I'm done. I posted multiple videos with 1v1 chances or otherwise clear cut chances in single matches in the CL, for the one against Barca I even posted times of 3 of these chances, and pointed out a 4th incorrectly disallowed goal.

You just spout the same rubbish on repeat. Because we were poor in the group stage last year, and again this year, doesn't say anything about how fantastic we were in terms of good chance creation against both Barca and Monaco last year.

i dont understand either, we obviously create and convert enough chances by looking at highlights of our games alone. i wonder, does he want five 2on1s vs the keeper each game or what?

 

[Vialli_92]

i dont understand either, we obviously create and convert enough chances by looking at highlights of our games alone. i wonder, does he want five 2on1s vs the keeper each game or what?

I find it worrying we don't seem to be able to put our strikers in favourable scoring conditions on a regular basis

We will never win a CL playing like that in my opinion

It may be enough to win Serie A if that's all you want