Massimiliano Allegri (201 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

i dont understand either, we obviously create and convert enough chances by looking at highlights of our games alone. i wonder, does he want five 2on1s vs the keeper each game or what?

He seems to have an impossible time differentiating between CL group stage where we have struggled to score every year under Allegri, and CL knockouts where we have scored well every year up to the final.

In the group stages we have scored 31 in 24. 1.29 goals/game which is atrocious.

In the knockouts (not including final) we have scored 23 in 14, or 1.64 goals/game which is good, especially considering our defensive solidity in only allowing 8 goals in those 14 matches.

 

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[Vialli_92]

He seems to have an impossible time differentiating between CL group stage where we have struggled to score every year under Allegri, and CL knockouts where we have scored well every year up to the final.

In the group stages we have scored 31 in 24. 1.29 goals/game which is atrocious.

In the knockouts (not including final) we have scored 23 in 14, or 1.64 goals/game which is good, especially considering our defensive solidity in only allowing 8 goals in those 14 matches.

Missing my point entirely

Clear goal scoring opportunities where the player is in a favoured position to score or expected to score

Our strikers don't seem to be in those positions and it's an attacking problem not a goal scoring problem we managed to be clinical with our chances last season

 

[ALC]

The biggest difference is Higuain's decline imo. He just doesn't have it in him anymore and just keeps getting slower. Can't keep up with the opposition defense or his team's offense. Just let him go at this point.

 

[Vialli_92]

The final against RM is a perfect example, a one off match where the biggest trophy is on the line

I don't remember a single good chance created and our only goal was a wonder goal by Mandzukic out of nothing

 

[ALC]

The final against RM is a perfect example, a one off match where the biggest trophy is on the line

I don't remember a single good chance created and our only goal was a wonder goal by Mandzukic out of nothing

I mean there were some pretty good passes leading up to that, from Alves(I think) to Higuain and then to Mandzukic. But no one expected a finish like that.

 

[DAiDEViL]

The biggest difference is Higuain's decline imo. He just doesn't have it in him anymore and just keeps getting slower. Can't keep up with the opposition defense or his team's offense. Just let him go at this point.

How can one decline that much in just one season though?

I refuse to believe it. He didn't suddenly turn 40.

 

[Post Ironic]

Blah blah blah. Broken record. Completely ignores even video examples of clearcut chances in the CL knockouts.

 

[ALC]

How can one decline that much in just one season though?

I refuse to believe it. He didn't suddenly turn 40.

Losing just a little burst of speed can have pretty big consequences. A lot of players who rely on athleticism see very drastic drop offs at the end of their career. All of a sudden, he can't get the same separation from the defenders or can't accelerate as quickly as he used to and when there's not a lot of room for error, you're fucked.

His finishing has also been atrocious, so that's purely mental. I doubt he comes back from that.

 

[Post Ironic]

How can one decline that much in just one season though?

I refuse to believe it. He didn't suddenly turn 40.

I was thinking this at the start of the season.

But it's January now and he still hasn't regained the "explosiveness" or the shape he was in for the latter half of last season. Him showing up to preseason out of shape and overweight again this year speaks volumes about his character and professionalism.

 

[Vialli_92]

I mean there were some pretty good passes leading up to that, from Alves(I think) to Higuain and then to Mandzukic. But no one expected a finish like that.

Yeah it was a very nice passage of play, our build up play was good last season but again we don't create enough clear goal scoring chances and in final's you have to score and play to win not to defend

Blah blah blah. Broken record. Completely ignores even video examples of clearcut chances in the CL knockouts.

Clear goal scoring chances not half chances, we went 90 minutes without making one decent chance with a CL title on the line

We faced only one strong team last season in the CL and that was in the final

Barcelona were crap that season, Monaco is Monaco enough said on them the one good team we came up against and got played off the park completely

 

[Alin]

Yeah it was a very nice passage of play, our build up play was good last season but again we don't create enough clear goal scoring chances and in final's you have to score and play to win not to defend


Clear goal scoring chances not half chances, we went 90 minutes without making one decent chance with a CL title on the line

We faced only one strong team last season in the CL and that was in the final

Barcelona were crap that season, Monaco is Monaco enough said on them the one good team we came up against and got played off the park completely

Barcelona were weak or we made them seem weak given the hype train they were on? As far as i recall they were coming off a 6-1 trashing of PSG just weeks previous to when we outplayed them in Turin. But who cares right, we will argument with absolutely anything just to make ourselfs somehow sound right about something, nevermind the fact i am pretty sure we had other wasted goalscoring chances in that final aswell...

Anyway, you are just stubborn unfortunately, you just talk out of guessing with no solid facts or proof behind anything that you posting here on this subject, maybe it's better if you just keep your opinion on this matter to yourself, people been argumenting with videos in multiple posts and you still don't want to recognize the obvious reality, i can easily understand now why nobody bothered to even reply again to your above post, apparently because it is first and foremost a waste of time trying to reason with you!

 

[Vialli_92]

Barcelona were weak or we made them seem weak given the hype train they were on? As far as i recall they were coming off a 6-1 trashing of PSG just weeks previous to when we outplayed them in Turin. But who cares right, we will argument with absolutely anything just to make ourselfs somehow sound right about something, nevermind the fact i am pretty sure we had other wasted goalscoring chances in that final aswell...

Anyway, you are just stubborn unfortunately, you just talk out of guessing with no solid facts or proof behind anything that you posting here on this subject, maybe it's better if you just keep your opinion on this matter to yourself, people been argumenting with videos in multiple posts and you still don't want to recognize the obvious reality, i can easily understand now why nobody bothered to even reply again to your above post, apparently because it is first and foremost a waste of time trying to reason with you!

You're entitled you your opinion

 

[Sashazulu]

Our attack is poor cause our midfield does not really help and our defense is slow in progression.
We have a great team and play bad. We play like a provincial team , everything based on defense with no quality. Allegri is a catenacciario from the 60's, time to get someone else.
Sorry Hustini Barcelona a and Madrid have all ways been there. Why do you think Madrid won 11 CL ? They all ways had quality and will all ways have.

 

[Vialli_92]

Madrid have won 12 UCL actually

 

[Sashazulu]

Madrid have won 12 UCL actually

Thanks for the correction

 

[Vialli_92]

Thanks for the correction

Quite an incredible number when you think about it

 

[zizinho]

6 in the 60s, when it wasnt nearly as big as it is today

 

[Bianconero81]

6 over the past 20 years. How many have we won during the same period? A mere 1. A solitary title. Perspective Zizi.

 

[campionesidd]

Missing my point entirely

Clear goal scoring opportunities where the player is in a favoured position to score or expected to score

Our strikers don't seem to be in those positions and it's an attacking problem not a goal scoring problem we managed to be clinical with our chances last season

We absolutely have the potential to create a ton of chances each games. Look at how we play against big teams, especially at home. We start off the game (first 20 minutes) with a very expansive game with aggressive pressing with the center backs often playing a high line. The early blitz often pays off (examples: 3-0 vs Barca, 1-0 vs Napoli and 1-0 vs Roma etc). Once we have a 2 goal lead or even one goal lead, Allegri often shuts shop and slows the tempo of the game, where our centre backs can man mark the enemy strikers out of the game. It can backfire sometimes, but it has mostly been successful. We don't run up the scores against smaller teams, as Allegri is very conservative with his game management, giving the impression that our creativity in front of goal is lacking.

 

[Vialli_92]

We absolutely have the potential to create a ton of chances each games. Look at how he play against big teams, especially at home. We start off the game (first 20 minutes) with a very expansive game with aggressive pressing with the center backs often playing a high line. The early blitz often pays off (examples: 3-0 vs Barca, 1-0 vs Napoli and 1-0 vs Roma etc). Once we have a 2 goal lead or even one goal lead, Allegri often shuts shop and slows the tempo of the game, where our centre backs can man mark the enemy strikers out of the game. It can backfire sometimes, but it has mostly been successful. We don't run up the scores against smaller teams, as Allegri is very conservative with his game management, giving the impression that our creativity in front of goal is lacking.

Maybe you are right on this

We only seem to show aggression when we are trailing and the chances do tend to come or at the start of games like you said

I am still of the opinion we are not creative enough and you can see it with the numbers of goals our strikers score

Higuain the season before he joined 38 goals in 42 appearances then 32 goals in 55 appearances with us

Dybala over the last 3 seasons starting from 15/16 23 goals in 46 appearances (not bad if i'm honest) 16/17 19 goals in 48 appearances and this season 17 goals in 28

Not very good numbers overall for our strikers and that in my opinion means we do not simply create enough good goal scoring chances for them

Dybala this season was top scorer at the beginning I believe and since the early season his games to goal ratio has dropped significantly

There is a fundamental problem with this team's attack

Maybe as you say Allegri manages the games and season accordingly to not burn the team out lets say but I still believe we have a mediocre attack and are too reliant on individual play to make something happen and don't get our strikers into regular good goal scoring positions