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Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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I just proposed a formation with Dybala, Higuain, Cuadrado, Mandzukic, Costa, Bernardeschi and Pjaca in it. What more do you want. They will all get equal playing time like that.
That’s not the point I’m trying to make.

Max should pick his lineups on form and merit, not on hierarchy.

Mandzukic and Cuadrado (and Khedira too) have the license to play badly and still keep their place in the team.
 

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Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
A players’ development will stagnate if they don’t play regularly. We are in December and Berna has yet to play 2 consecutive games. He’s played well whenever he has been given a chance despite limited time to develop chemistry with his new teammates.

Also, the way Pjaca was treated last year was a complete joke. He started 4 games out of a possible 30 when we had very little attacking depth compared to this year, and we desperately needed creativity outside of Dybala.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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That’s not the point I’m trying to make.

Max should pick his lineups on form and merit, not on hierarchy.

Mandzukic and Cuadrado (and Khedira too) have the license to play badly and still keep their place in the team.
So you just answered your own question as to why he dropped Dybala. Thank you.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
So you just answered your own question as to why he dropped Dybala. Thank you.
Now answer my question about why Mandzukic, Cuadrado and Khedira have the license to play as badly as they want yet they still keep their place, while it’s virtually impossible for Berna or Costa to get in the starting eleven.
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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Now answer my question about why Mandzukic, Cuadrado and Khedira have the license to play as badly as they want yet they still keep their place, while it’s virtually impossible for Berna or Costa to get in the starting eleven.
Mandzukic and Cuadrado are not on bad form. Ok ill grant you Manbro's finishing has been shit for a while but otherwise he does everything he is expected to do perfectly which is win balls in the air, make linkup passes, batter opposing players, and harass opposition defenders
 

venus_isle

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Sep 23, 2010
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Last season, Pjaca started 4 out of a potential 30 games when he was fit. At the start of last season we had zero inspiration going forward and Pjaca had just came off a good Euro campaign, but Max still didn’t give him more than 5 minutes at the end of a game even when it was blatantly obvious that we needed someone other than Dybala to give us some creativity.

Berna can’t get a run in the first team no matter how well he plays. Berna has generally played well whenever he’s been given a chance. It’s December now and Berna still hasn’t started two consecutive games, that is inexcusable. How is a young player supposed to develop himself or any chemistry with the team when he can’t get good gametime?

Allegri is also doing his best to oust Dybala out of the team.

But yeah, but let’s keep pretending that Max is doing a perfect job and everything is great. God forbid if anyone actually has valid criticism for Max.

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Costa isn't exactly young anymore, but he’s another player who has played very well but can’t a run of games. Mandzukic, Higuain and Cuadrado have the licence to play as good or bad as they want, they won’t lose their place.
All these have no base.

Allegri is trying his best to oust dybala? Wtf lol

And Watch all the players you mentioned above become integral part of our team in the near future.

Allegri re iterated so many times that he sees big potential in pjaca. But seriously did you even watch pjaca play last season? The guy have no clue how to play in a team like juve. He needs time to learn and in time he will mature

And really you're calling Mandzukic? The guy is the only constant performer for us who gave all every match.. just dont put him as stirker and he will be just fine.
 

Nedved96

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Sep 1, 2017
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Mandzukic is no less prone to a bad match then anyone else. He always puts in a shift, but merely putting in a shift is not enough to have a good match. If an attacking player is to have a good match, he should be creating chances at the very minimum. Mandzukic has plenty of games where he’s simply anonymous, just like Higuain. People are just less likely to criticize him for it because of his workrate.

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Allegri re iterated so many times that he sees big potential in pjaca. But seriously did you even watch pjaca play last season? The guy have no clue how to play in a team like juve. He needs time to learn and in time he will mature
Yes, I watched him play and I saw some flashes of brilliance like that dribble against Fiorentina or the goal against Porto. The problem is that when you only start 4 out of 30 games when you are fit, you are not going to progress. Young players don’t learn by sitting on the bench.
 

venus_isle

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Sep 23, 2010
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Mandzukic is no less prone to a bad match then anyone else. He always puts in a shift, but merely putting in a shift is not enough to have a good match. If an attacking player is to have a good match, he should be creating chances at the very minimum. Mandzukic has plenty of games where he’s simply anonymous, just like Higuain. People are just less likely to criticize him for it because of his workrate.

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Yes, I watched him play and I saw some flashes of brilliance like that dribble against Fiorentina or the goal against Porto. The problem is that when you only start 4 out of 30 games when you are fit, you are not going to progress. Young players don’t learn by sitting on the bench.
Buddy if you like dribble and judge a player by his ability to dribble please watch barcelona. We're juventus we always build on collective play and good defence. Pjaca is great, as an individual, he has no clue how to play in a team like juve, YET!

Chill out his time will come.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
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Buddy if you like dribble and judge a player by his ability to dribble please watch barcelona. We're juventus we always build on collective play and good defence. Pjaca is great, as an individual, he has no clue how to play in a team like juve, YET!

Chill out his time will come.
Dribbling is not just for entertainment, it can be very effective if used correctly.

Believe me, I badly want Berna, Pjaca and Costa to succeed here. I just have zero faith in Allegri. We have been waiting for Rugani’s breakthrough for ages now, and after rotting on the bench for 3 years, his progress has stagnated and some posters even want him sold. I can easily see the same happen to Berna and Pjaca.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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Love how ppl here thinks like they have experience managing a soccer team, let alone juve size lol

Im behind Allegri, nothing harder than to manage a team that has been winning for 6 years straight.. the fact that we're still winning amaze me
In all honesty, our Italian rivals should pray that we win CL ASAP.
That's the only way I see the club loosen its grip on domestic competitions.
Those lost CL finals made the team even more ruthless domestically.
 

sgjuveboy

Senior Member
Oct 31, 2012
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allegri needs to stop siding with khedira when he contributes nothing.

Anyway, mods,I have proven that my prediction that khedira will be a joke. For Christmas, my wish is to be allowed back into khedira page and comment. Please remove the ban. Thanks
 

MrMonkey

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Jul 15, 2017
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allegri needs to stop siding with khedira when he contributes nothing.
I just want him not in the starting 11 except in weak serie matches where a player might need a rest.

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And in the end we will go far in the CL yet we wont win it cuz the teams we lose to have the exact type of creative players that we bench starting and scoring important goals and making the difference in a qtr semi or final.

We then come to these forums bitch about not having creative talent who play exciting football and bring home the CL trophy.
I see it the same way. I trust Max completely and serie can be won with present guys playing. Though I don't believe Juve would be the fav to win their semi or final CL match without the fluid offensive weapons available that presently aren't contributing.

I just got here during the summer mercato and all the complaining I read about not enough talent to win a CL title. Well you can't have it both ways. It's a long, very long season. I'm just hopefully confident Max will come up with best 11 come CL knockout stage startup but present starters aren't CL title capable.

What like 6/7 matches left to do some tinkering before Feb 13th? Or if not best I would hope for are 1-0 hold on for dear life victories come semi and final time. If Juve gets that far. Only my opinion, please no hate, constructive criticism preferred.

MERRY CHRISTMAS or whatever if not that for you!
 

Juventus 1897

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Apr 4, 2013
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I just want him not in the starting 11 except in weak serie matches where a player might need a rest.

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I see it the same way. I trust Max completely and serie can be won with present guys playing. Though I don't believe Juve would be the fav to win their semi or final CL match without the fluid offensive weapons available that presently aren't contributing.

I just got here during the summer mercato and all the complaining I read about not enough talent to win a CL title. Well you can't have it both ways. It's a long, very long season. I'm just hopefully confident Max will come up with best 11 come CL knockout stage startup but present starters aren't CL title capable.

What like 6/7 matches left to do some tinkering before Feb 13th? Or if not best I would hope for are 1-0 hold on for dear life victories come semi and final time. If Juve gets that far. Only my opinion, please no hate, constructive criticism preferred.

MERRY CHRISTMAS or whatever if not that for you!
I think that max is really a great tactician, but from what.'ve seen he got some problems when comes to his relation to the players, but it cannot be said he is not a good motivator, but let's try discuss what exactly juventus lack that makes them lose finals in Europe. I think in serie A we built an incredible aura, besides the whining and thieves staff we hear every day, those guys no matter if they are fans, players, managers, they know deep inside the great force this team possesses, we have a team good enough to reach ucl final, this is what I think , this doesn't mean we will do that, we could easily go out on March, but if IF just Max would create a calibrated team that can use its attacking weapons and create a better attacking gameplay, that doesn't necessary mean we have to get lots of possession, we don't need anybody style, we need our own juventus style, but the truth is it's very hard to do that at the moment, it's already great that max made these defensive displays, we saw against barca what happens with our actual defence when we try to play little widespread and not compact, you can't make benatia be a scirea or maldini as much as you want, but he is not bad at all when he receives constant help from the others, it's basically the same with all of our defenders now, maybe except Giorgio.
Maybe it's not the best and for sure it's not the best comparation, but we should try something like Milan gameplay in their absolute best in ucl, I think the 3 man midfield will be very useful for us, we need them to be magical, also we need Paulo to be a vero nr 10, a leader, we also need mandzu, his grinta is absolutely fantastic and we also need a decisive striker, here is the problem, it's either higuain will finally be the man we need in Europe , like he was against Monaco last year, we could also try mandzu or Paulo as cf .
We also need mental strength and grinta at 100%, in serie A we have all of these things, that's why we win, we practically own the league, from 94/95 when Marcelo came juve was the best team in the league every single year except the years post calciopoli and 7th place seasons, there is no way juventus won't win scudetto if the play at best and they are motivated at best, we never lost the title when we had this mixture, even on amauri days, we weren't actually that bad, sure even at its best that team wasn't a title contender, but a team that wins on Milan, Roma, Lazio and wins 2 home games against inter in 2.years (09/10,.10/11 ) can't be 7th place material, but we clearly missed mental strength and organised gameplay, forget about the way we played. When we lost the title we lost on our own mostly for example in early 00s against perugia, and even the season after against Roma, it was more us losing than them winning, we did some very poor games, draws against brescia and lecce or lost v udinese, that was really a winning Roma team, but even so if we were at our best we were winning it, most of the time depends on us in serie a, if we have the right team, attitude ,mental strength we most of the time have in league and gameplay we can't lose, we just need a normal or pragmatic gameplay to win against Roma or napoli like we do most of the time, when really reached the best level of gameplay, attitude and with our force we possess in serie A we were unstoppable, like 13/14 season, 14/15 or second part of 15/16 which was epic. I think we progressed so much and our expectations normally went extremely high, but the way juventus went to crush everyone from ashes of serie b it's fantastic, we just need to replicate this on European scale, we have a very good board and a great coach, who has some fixed ideas which is also truth , he sometimes stubborn with some ideas, but would be a massive mistake to change this man, he made Milan look great against barca with constant and Zapata, how amazing is that, if he somehow would manage to implement a little bit more attacking orientation view on European games would be wonderful, we also need to review our attitude on finals where we either enter as winners like against bvb or Hamburg long time ago or losers like we did against real twice .
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
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The reasons we lost the CL final last weren't necessarily down to impotent forwards. Prior to the final Higuain and Dybala were playing very well together and Dani Alves was a revelation on the wing. Those players did choke somewhat but it was the Madrid midfield we lost to. They always had the numerical advantage over us, they made us chase them and the cycle continued - we were too gassed and too under pressure to keep the ball.

Kroos - Casemiro - Modric were so well balanced last season in terms of skill sets and physicality while Pjanic and Khedira is a slow and unimposing midfield which can't win a ball back without Mandzukic and Dybala's help. If we'd had Matuidi and a fit and in form Marchisio next to Pjanic our forwards might have stood a better chance.

The point is that Allegri didn't show the balls or the guile to take the game to Madrid. He's very tactically versatile and astute but there's one thing that never changes - his insistence not just on every player defending but the team purposely not pushing forward for periods of matches. He thinks that a team can't physically sustain a 90 minute attack and he might be right. But if we're to play keepings off for long periods of games we better have the right players in the right system against the right opponent otherwise we may lose control of the game and chase our tails till we've lost all momentum and energy.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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allegri needs to stop siding with khedira when he contributes nothing.

Anyway, mods,I have proven that my prediction that khedira will be a joke. For Christmas, my wish is to be allowed back into khedira page and comment. Please remove the ban. Thanks
To prove that you were right about khedoin, you had 3 red bars, now you have 3 green bars. Subject matter didn't change.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Against good teams the plan is to suck the life out of the game and then force our way to a narrow win. We are usually pretty good at this.
 
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Against good teams the plan is to suck the life out of the game and then force our way to a narrow win. We are usually pretty good at this.
Kind of pathetic to be honest. Would be nice to dominate a match with good football and go toe to toe with the opposition. The one match i feel we actually did this was against Bayern, even though we unfairly lost in the end.
 

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