Massimiliano Allegri (193 Viewers)

[Badass J Elkann]

It took them a few years to come back, even with the talent they had. Look at Bayern, they were a shell of their former selves. And yes NOW Manchester City is playing well, watch what happens once he leaves.

We have to bare in mind that I do t think pep had full co trip of the transfer dealings at Bayern, I know he was never keen on Vidal for one. But it's difficult to go from an efficient winning machine like the one heynckes built to some tiki taka team.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

Especially if there is zero need to do so.

 

[zizinho]

Especially if there is zero need to do so.

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Pep "i wont ask the players to adapt to my system, i will adapt to Bayerns system" Guardiola

2nd training he asked Ribery if he can play a false 9

 

[DAiDEViL]

This was more on Bayern than on Pep though, Bayern wanted fancy football. Winning alone wasn't good enough anymore. That's why they brought in Pep.

They should have just gone after a more conservative coach, continuing with Don Jupps style of football.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

It's funny because THAT Bayern team were in many peoples opinions (Mine included) much better to watch than the knock off Barca version.



As for Pep himself, there's no denying he can elevate teams with unlimited resources. Although this seems easy, plenty have struggled and failed miserably yet Pep is definitely at ease managing several star players and getting them to adapt to his own ideas.

But the problem is, at a club like Juventus where he's just as likely to lose a key player as he is to gain one, what would he achieve? Not much outside of the league imo.

 

[JuveJay]

I'm a sheep.

Baaa.

 

[dolph]

It's funny because THAT Bayern team were in many peoples opinions (Mine included) much better to watch than the knock off Barca version.



As for Pep himself, there's no denying he can elevate teams with unlimited resources. Although this seems easy, plenty have struggled and failed miserably yet Pep is definitely at ease managing several star players and getting them to adapt to his own ideas.

But the problem is, at a club like Juventus where he's just as likely to lose a key player as he is to gain one, what would he achieve? Not much outside of the league imo.

The thing is, that besides his obvious abilities as a coach, he would elevate us from an image perspective making it far more likely that players would see Juve as an end destination and not a final steppingstone.

 

[Vialli_92]

Bayern's playstyle wasn't sustainable in the long run.

I never seen a team do so much running and be so hungry to beat their opponents no matter what.

I think the drive from losing the final the year before to Chelsea is what made them so good, if they had of won it the season before they probably would not have played with such ruthlessness in that 2013 season

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Good thing we're immune to that effect or we'd have about 5 CLs behind us instead of 200 losses.

 

[Vialli_92]

Good thing we're immune to that effect or we'd have about 5 CLs behind us instead of 200 losses.

Well they dominated Chelsea all game and even had a penalty to seal the game in ET and ended up losing to the worst champions on penalties

They had a point to prove and were desperate for the CL.

Juve are not desperate for the CL you can see by the way the management talk up CL finals like it counts as a trophy and it "is the most we can do" never mind winning the competition

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You mean, we're too desperate for it.

 

[Ventus]

It's funny because THAT Bayern team were in many peoples opinions (Mine included) much better to watch than the knock off Barca version.



As for Pep himself, there's no denying he can elevate teams with unlimited resources. Although this seems easy, plenty have struggled and failed miserably yet Pep is definitely at ease managing several star players and getting them to adapt to his own ideas.

But the problem is, at a club like Juventus where he's just as likely to lose a key player as he is to gain one, what would he achieve? Not much outside of the league imo.

Well said,

Also he hasn't even won anything at Man City just yet anyway, at the moment he's just in good form. I reckon once they lose their first game they'll start to decline.

 

[Nostradamus]

Why? Not good enough? Uli needs them yes men.

I think his style is not suited for Bayern and personally I wouldnt want him. Serie A and BL r totally different and I want a coach who plays very intense with high pressing. I rate Nagelsmann highly and Tuchel is on a silver plate too, so no need to look abroad..time for a German coach again.

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If you are a Bayern fan please refrain from ever quoting me again.

Then please dont write nonsense about Bayern then.

 

[Bianconero81]

Then please dont write nonsense about Bayern then.

Lest you have forgotten, this is a Juventus forum. If he chooses to write nonsense about Bayern or any other team for that matter, he's free to do so. If you're offended, you're more than welcome to seek shelter elsewhere. An attack on Bayern is not a personal attack on you as a member. No one is forcing you to stick around if you don't enjoy being here.

 

[Nostradamus]

Lest you have forgotten, this is a Juventus forum. If he chooses to write nonsense about Bayern or any other team for that matter, he's free to do so. If you're offended, you're more than welcome to seek shelter elsewhere. An attack on Bayern is not a personal attack on you as a member. No one is forcing you to stick around if you don't enjoy being here.

I was not offended at all.

But to say I m not allowed to answer his posts as I m a Bayern fan, while he is writing about Bayern is a bit bold, dont u think?

Also..such things trigger me people telling me when I m allowed to post.

 

[Bianconero81]

I was not offended at all.

But to say I m not allowed to answer his posts as I m a Bayern fan, while he is writing about Bayern is a bit bold, dont u think?

Also..such things trigger me people telling me when I m allowed to post.

You're free to say what you want, but it's a Juventus forum after all, so it's only natural to expect vitriol and banter towards other teams. Of course, you can call him out on his BS, but he's likely to respond (especially if he's trolling).

Also, suggesting or implying that Allegri isn't good enough for Bayern while mentioning names like Tuchel and Nagelsman is a bit ridiculous don't you think? What have the latter two accomplished in their coaching careers? Absolutely fuck all, compared to Allegri at least. We may not agree with his decisions and stubborn nature at times, but we feel he is definitely a superior coach to most.

 

[Nostradamus]

You're free to say what you want, but it's a Juventus forum after all, so it's only natural to expect vitriol and banter towards other teams. Of course, you can call him out on his BS, but he's likely to respond (especially if he's trolling).

Also, suggesting or implying that Allegri isn't good enough for Bayern while mentioning names like Tuchel and Nagelsman is a bit ridiculous don't you think? What have the latter two accomplished in their coaching careers? Absolutely $#@! all, compared to Allegri at least. We may not agree with his decisions and stubborn nature at times, but we feel he is definitely a superior coach to most.

Exactly, its a forum..somebody writes something and other people r responding. What r u trying to tell me? This Maddy person cannot tell me when I m allowed to make a comment. Its totally childish and laughable behaviour. U also seem to think, that u have more say and rights, if u r a Juventini(o)

Also this talk of this coach is better than that coach is not something I have ever said at all. I have an opinion and that is, that I dont want him and his style of football. As a person, I dont like him too. I think the football of both Nagelsmann and Tuchel are more suited to Bayern and I doubt that u r the right person to know their qualities.

I wouldnt want Mourinho too..so?

I prefer more the Conte type..intensive..demanding..not easy to deal with management wise to give contra to Hoeneß and Rummenigge.

 

[Bianconero81]

Exactly, its a forum..somebody writes something and other people r responding. What r u trying to tell me? This Maddy person cannot tell me when I m allowed to make a comment. Its totally childish and laughable behaviour. U also seem to think, that u have more say and rights, if u r a Juventini

Also this talk of this coach is better than that coach is not something I have ever said at all. I have an opinion and that is, that I dont want him and his style of football. As a person, I dont like him too. I think the football of both Nagelsmann and Tuchel are more suited to Bayern and I doubt that u r the right person to know their qualities.

I wouldnt want Mourinho too..so?

That's not what I meant at all. You're telling him not to write nonsense about Bayern. He's free to say what he wants about Bayern, especially since this is a Juventus, and not a Bayern, forum. Of course, you're entitled to respond as you deem fit. We don't have more say as Juventus fans, but by virtue of the law of majority, you're more likely to get hounded and harassed if you're not a Juve fan, and deploy a certain "holier than thou" attitude. I think I was only stating the obvious.

You're free to desire a German coach for Bayern, and it makes perfect sense. However, I got the impression that you're undervaluing the effort and work of Allegri. I wouldn't want Mourinho either, so we're thinking along the same lines with respect to that particular point.

 

[Nostradamus]

That's not what I meant at all. You're telling him not to write nonsense about Bayern. He's free to say what he wants about Bayern, especially since this is a Juventus, and not a Bayern, forum. Of course, you're entitled to respond as you deem fit. We don't have more say as Juventus fans, but by virtue of the law of majority, you're more likely to get hounded and harassed if you're not a Juve fan, and deploy a certain "holier than thou" attitude. I think I was only stating the obvious.

You're free to desire a German coach for Bayern, and it makes perfect sense. However, I got the impression that you're undervaluing the effort and work of Allegri. I wouldn't want Mourinho either, so we're thinking along the same lines with respect to that particular point.

ok, to explain it to u again..he replied like a twelve years old and I gave him the response of a 12 years old..got it? Of course he can continue to write as much nonsense about Bayern as he wishes to and I will give him a reply whenever I feel the need to. What a waste of time this conversation is.

About the hounded or harassed part..u should know me better that I dont care about such things. I have a clear opinion about almost everything football related and sometimes I feel the need to comment. Some people here appreciate and the majority most likely not. Deal with it majority .

 

[Bianconero81]

ok, to explain it to u again..he replied like a twelve years old and I gave him the response of a 12 years old..got it? Of course he can continue to write as much nonsense about Bayern as he wishes to and I will give him a reply whenever I feel the need to. What a waste of time this conversation is.

About the hounded or harassed part..u should know me better that I dont care about such things. I have a clear opinion about almost everything football related and sometimes I feel the need to comment. Some people here appreciate and the majority most likely not. Deal with it.

I'm glad you have a clear opinion about "almost everything football related."

Why do you feel the need to be defensive and aggressive? I'm not confronting you or disagreeing with you. I'm just enlightening you on the realities of Tuz. Even Juventus fans have a hard time dealing with all the trolls and mighty keyboard warriors. I don't need to deal with anything that I feel uncomfortable with.

In any case, I feel Allegri is a great coach and he fits the profile for us, for now. We don't need to escalate this any further as it will result in a thread ban.