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Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,253
It's not even December FFS! Yes, they performed well, but Tottenham looked decidedly average against a very sleep inducing United team at the weekend. City look menacing, but they're not some unstoppable irresistible force like the media make them out to be. The self entitled cuntish English media love to over-hype shit; typical English propaganda, and I'm not buying it.
I watched the game in Russian super stream shootout to my homies RUS and Alex.
I don't follow football media outside of tuz and both looked really good and are probably the most convincing sides along with PSG so far in UCL
 

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Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
There are two criticisms of Allegri that even sheep cannot deny:

1. He selects his team based on hierarchy rather than merit

2. He relies on individual brilliance for goals.

There were some rumours that he might join Arsenal after he leave us. Good luck with that. Arsenal fans think that Wenger is stubborn? Allegri will drive them into insanity.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,354
There are two criticisms of Allegri that even sheep cannot deny:

1. He selects his team based on hierarchy rather than merit

2. He relies on individual brilliance for goals.

There were some rumours that he might join Arsenal after he leave us. Good luck with that. Arsenal fans think that Wenger is stubborn? Allegri will drive them into insanity.
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napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
Mandzukic is too slow and predictable to be a winger. Cuadrado is a headless chicken that only works as a supersub.

Bernardeschi, Dybala and Costa need to play a run of games together to build chemistry and understanding with each other. Of course we probably won't see them play together until March, and by then our new signings will either have lost motivation, or be so desperate to impress that they'll play too nervously.

This stubborn f#%k Allegri takes 8 months to integrate new players into the team because he's a coward afraid of change. He runs the team not based on performance, but instead automatically gives a starting place to who's been here longest. Who gives a f#%k about slow integration, just play your best players you stupid t#%t.

We also can't pass with any sort of purpose or meaning. As someone else said, watching us play is like watching a chess match. One piece moves at the time and the others are stationary. Any decent organized defence can easily keep us out. We rely way too much on individual brilliance. That gets us through Serie A but we won't achieve anything in Europe.

I know for a fact that Pep Guardiola spends extensive time teaching his players movement patterns in the final third, midfielders and forwards actually attack with purpose. Does Allegri know anything about how to teach his players how to attack? Does he give them instructions on where to move and how to make space?

I have to laugh at the people who consider Allegri some kind of tactical genius. He's stubborn as hell, very conservative, and he doesn't know how to actually plan an attack if his life depended on it.
I made that chess comparison, there is even one more thing that disturb me even more, why does it always happen to this club? The self repeated pattern is right there, different era, different generation, different players, different coaches, but at some point this abomination always come back :sergio: ancelotti, capello, conte now allegri, heck even I remember the same thing happened in ranieri, zacheroni, ferrara, del neri days

I'm sure long time tuzzers would recall the day when we wished giovinco camoranesi and diego (or was it someone else?) to play together to provide fluidity in attack.

Only under lippi (as far as I've started following juve) that this thing didn't bother me much.

I really wonder why.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
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Mar 6, 2007
74,937
I'm sure long time tuzzers would recall the day when we wished giovinco camoranesi and diego (or was it someone else?) to play together to provide fluidity in attack.
Well if that doesn't put you off taking advice from Tuzzers then nothing will.

I'd blame it on nostalgia and the decline of Serie A. Only Capello was a truly defensive coach. Post-Calciopoli the calcio landscape has changed, it's impossible for a team in this league to now have a team like Lippi did in the mid-late 90s and early 00s. Signing Buffon, Nedved, Thuram and Salas in one season? Forget it. Those players get carved up into several money clubs now.
 
Mar 10, 2009
8,684
Well if that doesn't put you off taking advice from Tuzzers then nothing will.

I'd blame it on nostalgia and the decline of Serie A. Only Capello was a truly defensive coach. Post-Calciopoli the calcio landscape has changed, it's impossible for a team in this league to now have a team like Lippi did in the mid-late 90s and early 00s. Signing Buffon, Nedved, Thuram and Salas in one season? Forget it. Those players get carved up into several money clubs now.

Allegri seemed to have a good balance last year; our defence was rock solid and we still scored goals. Capello was old fashioned; score one goal then defend, defend, defend. Problem is when we go behind we were awful at chasing the game; hence our pathetic displays against Liverpool and Arsenal.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,969
Yeah a bit of a selective memory there YouVay. You forget that our season turned around in February(!) after we switched to 4-2-3-1, because we had some pretty horrendous performances in Serie A all season long - especially in the losses against Milan, Inter and Fiorentina etc.
 

juve123

Senior Member
Aug 10, 2017
16,651
Yeah a bit of a selective memory there YouVay. You forget that our season turned around in February(!) after we switched to 4-2-3-1, because we had some pretty horrendous performances in Serie A all season long - especially in the losses against Milan, Inter and Fiorentina etc.
But allegri has some favourite players which he won't drop like khedira mandzukic benatia
 
Mar 10, 2009
8,684
Yeah a bit of a selective memory there YouVay. You forget that our season turned around in February(!) after we switched to 4-2-3-1, because we had some pretty horrendous performances in Serie A all season long - especially in the losses against Milan, Inter and Fiorentina etc.
I mean generally in comparison to Capello.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,790
well one went on to win more champions league success whilst his current club are arguably the most in form team in Europe
It took them a few years to come back, even with the talent they had. Look at Bayern, they were a shell of their former selves. And yes NOW Manchester City is playing well, watch what happens once he leaves.
 

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