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BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
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:sergio:

Pep. 7 seasons as a coach:

6 league titles
4 domestic cups
2 CL titles

Yeah. Massively overrated :rofl:
I agree. Wouldnt call Pep overrated, but his defintitely stubborn. Thats probably the biggest weakness he got, and why he often got outclassed while managing Bayern Munich.

Real Madrid home and Barcelona away tells it quite well.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
Administrator
May 27, 2007
89,018
Yes, massively overrated.

He had the most powerful teams, especially Barca with players at their peak. You know what, people used to say the same about Rijkaard :lol2: (no, I'm not implying they are the same level).

He's showing how useful he really is now with City.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I agree. Wouldnt call Pep overrated, but his defintitely stubborn. Thats probably the biggest weakness he got, and why he often got outclassed while managing Bayern Munich.
:agree:

I hate defending the guy. I don't like him and wouldn't want him here. He's a twat and stubborn as hell about trying to shoehorn players into his brand of football regardless of whether they fit.

But saying he's overrated and/or garbage is just stupid.

He's one of the most successful coaches in the history of football. And that's with just 7 years as a manager in top flite football.
 

Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
16,493
People bashing Pep makes me laugh. He brings in a fresh style of play. But I guess some prefer boring rigid side to side football instead.

I wouldn't mind Pep here as it goes. Just don't understand all the hate.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Yes, massively overrated.

He had the most powerful teams, especially Barca with players at their peak. You know what, people used to say the same about Rijkaard :lol2: (no, I'm not implying they are the same level).

He's showing how useful he really is now with City.
He's the one who chose to move Barca on from the Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco era. He signed Alves, Pique, promoted Busquets, made Messi, Xavi, Iniesta the focal point of that team... Had them play that style that made that team so incredibly dominant as to win everything there was to win.

And let's see more than a single season at City before trying to say this is his true level. :baus:
 

BayernFan

Senior Member
Feb 17, 2016
7,123
:agree:

I hate defending the guy. I don't like him and wouldn't want him here. He's a $#@! and stubborn as hell about trying to shoehorn players into his brand of football regardless of whether they fit.

But saying he's overrated and/or garbage is just stupid.

He's one of the most successful coaches in the history of football. And that's with just 7 years as a manager in top flite football.
Exactly. When everything clicks for him and the team his coaching, then his probably the best coach in the world. But like you mentioned the biggest weakness is being stubborn and forcing his system down on the players, where it doesent fit defenders.

This video tells it pretty well about his time in Bayern Munich. When everything clicked we played brilliant football, trashed Arsenal 5-1, Roma 1-7 away and also Atletico at home where i still dont understand how we didnt trash them. But the video also shows how bad it went in some other matches.


But okay thats how it is managing this gigantic football clubs. For them the only thing good enough is the best.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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He's the one who chose to move Barca on from the Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco era. He signed Alves, Pique, promoted Busquets, made Messi, Xavi, Iniesta the focal point of that team... Had them play that style that made that team so incredibly dominant as to win everything there was to win.

And let's see more than a single season at City before trying to say this is his true level. :baus:
Actually, Barca play that style for a lot longer. Also, it was Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto's with Rijkaard who made the Barca a success team. And if anything it was Rijkaard who brought Messi to the team and Xavi & Iniesta were focal point long before Pep arrived, so that's kinda BS. It was also obvious it'd be Messi to take Dinho's place once he leaves and it was not a rocket science nor a shocking discovery. Pep just took the torch.

No, his true level is winning domestic leages without competitions, because hey, those are just numbers :baus: he should move to PSG next to dominate France and choke in Europe.

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When everything clicks for him and the team.
Which just shows how one-dimensional the guy is. He's clearly unable to switch the tactics and style of his play, so he needs a team full of Messi's and Iniesta's to 'shine'. Yeah, what a great coach.

Once one gets injured and it stops clicking then it suddenly becomes a Titanic. That's not a definition of a good coach, because hey, a good coach makes the best of what is given. Pep would be unable to coach majority of teams cause it obviously wouldn't click to fit his fucking tiki taka.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Please. What nonsense.

Only wins domestic leagues. Yeah 2 CL titles screams that. :lol:

And none of the great coaches win in Europe without a team full of star players. Ancelotti didn't, Heynckes didn't, Capello didn't, Lippi didn't, Trap didn't, Ferguson didn't, and so on.

A couple fluked titles with huge luck like Mourinho at Porto, Di Matteo at Chelsea, etc. but no one wins regularly in Europe without teams full of stars.
 

Dostoevsky

Tzu
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May 27, 2007
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Please. What nonsense.

Only wins domestic leagues. Yeah 2 CL titles screams that. :lol:

And none of the great coaches win in Europe without a team full of star players. Ancelotti didn't, Heynckes didn't, Capello didn't, Lippi didn't, Trap didn't, Ferguson didn't, and so on.

A couple fluked titles with huge luck like Mourinho at Porto, Di Matteo at Chelsea, etc. but no one wins regularly in Europe without teams full of stars.
I know who doesn't win with a team full of stars. Pep. Choking for 3 years.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I guess Allegri sucks balls if he doesn't win the CL this year.

Conte is terrible too, he managed to get us knocked out of the group stage in 13-14 with the strongest midfield and defence in football and Tevez leading the attack.

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I know who doesn't win with a team full of stars. Pep. Choking for 3 years.
Neither did Mou at Madrid. Nor did Lippi at Juve from 2001-2004. Was he choking for 3 years? ::lol3::

But sure, keep this up.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,254
:agree:

I hate defending the guy. I don't like him and wouldn't want him here. He's a twat and stubborn as hell about trying to shoehorn players into his brand of football regardless of whether they fit.

But saying he's overrated and/or garbage is just stupid.

He's one of the most successful coaches in the history of football. And that's with just 7 years as a manager in top flite football.
He's garbage, he was riding on Barca's golden generation he's been working with even before he coached the first team, he got to work with them as kids and they were already stupid talented, everything was set in place for him to succeed at Barcelona. If anything, Enrique is as good as Pep and we all saw what Enrique looked like. :lol:
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
He's garbage, he was riding on Barca's golden generation he's been working with even before he coached the first team, he got to work with them as kids and they were already stupid talented, everything was set in place for him to succeed at Barcelona. If anything, Enrique is as good as Pep and we all saw what Enrique looked like. :lol:
You do know that post-Pep Barca has Neymar and Suarez. :p

So you're saying Pep helped develop them as kids into the star players they became. Yes, great argument against him.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,254
Actually, Barca play that style for a lot longer. Also, it was Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto's with Rijkaard who made the Barca a success team. And if anything it was Rijkaard who brought Messi to the team and Xavi & Iniesta were focal point long before Pep arrived, so that's kinda BS. It was also obvious it'd be Messi to take Dinho's place once he leaves and it was not a rocket science nor a shocking discovery. Pep just took the torch.

No, his true level is winning domestic leages without competitions, because hey, those are just numbers :baus: he should move to PSG next to dominate France and choke in Europe.

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Which just shows how one-dimensional the guy is. He's clearly unable to switch the tactics and style of his play, so he needs a team full of Messi's and Iniesta's to 'shine'. Yeah, what a great coach.

Once one gets injured and it stops clicking then it suddenly becomes a Titanic. That's not a definition of a good coach, because hey, a good coach makes the best of what is given. Pep would be unable to coach majority of teams cause it obviously wouldn't click to fit his fucking tiki taka.
:agree::tup:

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You do know that post-Pep Barca has Neymar and Suarez. :p
That's about as heavy as a midfield with Iniesta-Xavi and an attack of Villa/Henry/Messi.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
You are ridiculous.

Spalletti and Sarri have massively lower expectations. A CL spot is all fine and dandy for their seasons to be considered a success. Sarri has no career to speak of thus far. Spalletti never managed to get Roma over the hump in Serie A yet.

Pep exceeded expectations at Barca. By far. And then met them at Bayern. 3 straight league titles, 2 of 3 For domestic cups, and 3 straight CL semifinals. A CL title requires some luck, as you should well know, being a Juve fan. He failed to deliver in 3 years, but kept Bayern in the SFs each year as one of the top contenders. While it isn't smashing success it certainly isn't underperforming ::lol3::
He got paid 20M a year for what? Win the CL. He inherited a monster team too. Did he deliver it? He had 3 years, its not like he was there one season and got unlucky vs Barca or Real. These teams blasted him off the pitch in a humiliating way 2 straight years. He got unlucky vs Atletico, ill give him that.

Spalletti and Sarri have massively lower expectations, i wonder why. Oh thats right, they haven't had nearly as good teams as Pep had his entire coaching career. Spalletti had a historically strong inter team for his 1st stint in Roma and got very close to winning the title and was finishing 2nd regularly. He did manage to win the Coppa few times though. Now he has a super strong Juve to compete against and will likely get another top3 finish. Sarri will get Napoli to CL 2 out of 2 times now, got them out of the CL group stage in 1st try too.

As for Pep exceeding expectations at Barca - ::lol3::
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
Yes, massively overrated.

He had the most powerful teams, especially Barca with players at their peak. You know what, people used to say the same about Rijkaard :lol2: (no, I'm not implying they are the same level).

He's showing how useful he really is now with City.


People bashing Pep makes me laugh. He brings in a fresh style of play. But I guess some prefer boring rigid side to side football instead.

I wouldn't mind Pep here as it goes. Just don't understand all the hate.
With Pep you need to be very careful. His curriculum is awesome... but we must take into account that he was bossing the best Barcelona team ever with the best player of our era in Messi. Players like Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc...practically won games by themselves without much tactics since they were extremely talented and the team was made around them, full of stars.

Then he went to Bayern to command another star studded team. It was VERY difficult for him to not win something there, as there was no competition for them in Germany, and well in CL he got wrecked a couple times.

I have yet to be convinced by him. Im not buying the Pep hype becaue it is a fact that he always have been spoon fed with monstrous players and perfectly oiled teams before he arrived there....until now with City.

Please. What nonsense.

Only wins domestic leagues. Yeah 2 CL titles screams that. :lol:

And none of the great coaches win in Europe without a team full of star players. Ancelotti didn't, Heynckes didn't, Capello didn't, Lippi didn't, Trap didn't, Ferguson didn't, and so on.

A couple fluked titles with huge luck like Mourinho at Porto, Di Matteo at Chelsea, etc. but no one wins regularly in Europe without teams full of stars.
Still, im not buying him. His Barcelona team was just not a normal team, definitely not.
And then luckily hr went to coach another top tier team totally set up.

If he delivers with City, ill believe in his prowess...otherwise, he got carried by the excess of talent he had in those 2 previous teams.
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,254
Pep had Zlatan ffs and didn't know what to do with him!
He could've turned Zlatan into a GOD, but he didn't know what to do. Had Pep managed Zlatan properly, he would've made the Van Bastens and Shevas of the world look like pussies with that Barca team.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
42,253
:agree::tup:

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That's about as heavy as a midfield with Iniesta-Xavi and an attack of Villa/Henry/Messi.
Comparing prime Suarez to washed-up Henry who went to MLS a year later. And Villa to Neymar. :sergio:

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Pep had Zlatan ffs and didn't know what to do with him!
He could've turned Zlatan into a GOD, but he didn't know what to do. Had Pep managed Zlatan properly, he would've made the Van Bastens and Shevas of the world look like pussies with that Barca team.

Zlatan who has choked in Europe everywhere he went :baus:
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
With Pep you need to be very careful. His curriculum is awesome... but we must take into account that he was bossing the best Barcelona team ever with the best player of our era in Messi. Players like Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc...practically won games by themselves without much tactics since they were extremely talented and the team was made around them, full of stars.

Then he went to Bayern to command another star studded team. It was VERY difficult for him to not win something there, as there was no competition for them in Germany, and well in CL he got wrecked a couple times.

I have yet to be convinced by him. Im not buying the Pep hype becaue it is a fact that he always have been spoon fed with monstrous players and perfectly oiled teams before he arrived there....until now with City.



Still, im not buying him. His Barcelona team was just not a normal team, definitely not.
And then luckily hr went to coach another top tier team totally set up.

If he delivers with City, ill believe in his prowess...otherwise, he got carried by the excess of talent he had in those 2 previous teams.
You do know that Barca finished 3rd in La Liga the year before Pep? And 2nd the year before that...
 

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