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DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
Its not about the lost to Milan its about every single game this season, and yes I will blame them. Its a disgrace to negiatoate for Wtisel 2 months for just 2 million and then fail when you obviously need that type of player in midfield with Marchisio out.

The same will be now in January . Marotta will ask for a bargain which is not a bad thing but you can't have a Tevez -Vidal amount of money deals always and he won't get Witsel although I don't rate him much and he won't solve all our mid problem.We need a player with muscles but with a brain.No way that we will get that type in January..
 

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Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Its not about the lost to Milan its about every single game this season, and yes I will blame them. Its a disgrace to negiatoate for Wtisel 2 months for just 2 million and then fail when you obviously need that type of player in midfield with Marchisio out.
Witsel would have changed absolutely nothing to our game against Milan. Our midfield wasn't really the reason we lost that game.
 

DeviAngel

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2014
3,687
Witsel would have changed absolutely nothing to our game against Milan. Our midfield wasn't really the reason we lost that game.
Again Its not about the loss to Milan why do you keep mentioning just that game, its every single game this season. And yeah it would change because no matter how much underrated is Witsel on this forum he is great player especially compared to Lemina, Hernanes and Sturaro. I mean come on ....

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The same will be now in January . Marotta will ask for a bargain which is not a bad thing but you can't have a Tevez -Vidal amount of money deals always and he won't get Witsel although I don't rate him much and he won't solve all our mid problem.We need a player with muscles but with a brain.No way that we will get that type in January..

We need a Vidal, we had Allan in Udinese and didn't sign him. We must get N'zozi this winter he is a beast.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Again Its not about the loss to Milan why do you keep mentioning just that game, its every single game this season. And yeah it would change because no matter how much underrated is Witsel on this forum he is great player especially compared to Lemina, Hernanes and Sturaro. I mean come on ....
I keep mentioning Milan because that seems to be the biggest issue to many the last couple of days. We are first in the league, CL group...and we did that with the same midfield that we had against Milan. Witsel will add a bit of body mass and some additional certainties but it won't add much.

Part of the issue is our midfield, sure. No doubt about that. The bigger issue IMO is the constant chopping and changing of our formation & lineup. For instance...Sturaro/Hernanes seem to be first selection over Lemina which is retarded. It's even more retarded to constantly playing Mario-Higuain up top and now we have Dybala fully fit so there is no excuse for Allegri in that regard. Pjaca too, hell he was on the fucking bench. We need more creativity up front and Pjanic can only do so much filling in the gaps between midfield & attack. That's exactly why I don't want Marchisio playing his position, I want him to be able to make those intelligent runs forward giving Pjanic another outlet. Lemina can sit back. I've been saying this for a bit now but people are so frantic about taking Marchisio out of his normal position when he can play both quite well. We lost Pogba and his running forward, Marchisio can will that void like he used to back when we had Pirlo. Let Sturaro be the legs and Lemina be the last line of midfield sitting in front of defense. This would shore things up IMO until we find that WC midfielder we want.

I'm not one to underrate Witsel, all I'm saying is he wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the last game.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
18,930
I keep mentioning Milan because that seems to be the biggest issue to many the last couple of days. We are first in the league, CL group...and we did that with the same midfield that we had against Milan. Witsel will add a bit of body mass and some additional certainties but it won't add much.

Part of the issue is our midfield, sure. No doubt about that. The bigger issue IMO is the constant chopping and changing of our formation & lineup. For instance...Sturaro/Hernanes seem to be first selection over Lemina which is retarded. It's even more retarded to constantly playing Mario-Higuain up top and now we have Dybala fully fit so there is no excuse for Allegri in that regard. Pjaca too, hell he was on the fucking bench. We need more creativity up front and Pjanic can only do so much filling in the gaps between midfield & attack. That's exactly why I don't want Marchisio playing his position, I want him to be able to make those intelligent runs forward giving Pjanic another outlet. Lemina can sit back. I've been saying this for a bit now but people are so frantic about taking Marchisio out of his normal position when he can play both quite well. We lost Pogba and his running forward, Marchisio can will that void like he used to back when we had Pirlo. Let Sturaro be the legs and Lemina be the last line of midfield sitting in front of defense. This would shore things up IMO until we find that WC midfielder we want.

I'm not one to underrate Witsel, all I'm saying is he wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the last game.
Oh man, Marchisio doing one-twos with Dybala like he used to with Mirko :tuttosport:
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
Again Its not about the loss to Milan why do you keep mentioning just that game, its every single game this season. And yeah it would change because no matter how much underrated is Witsel on this forum he is great player especially compared to Lemina, Hernanes and Sturaro. I mean come on ....

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We need a Vidal, we had Allan in Udinese and didn't sign him. We must get N'zozi this winter he is a beast.
Hardly we can find a player like that Indo in near future,the story about Allan is true but it's was the same with Naingollan doesn't matter what he is saying now that he rejected us.We could sign them both but at that time we had one of the best mids in the world and they were surplus.Nzonzi is a good player .depends of what amount Sevilla is asking.Word is that they want 30 mil. Maybe is worth that money.The market inflated recently....... .Anyway I don't think that we will do something extraordinary in January market.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
I keep mentioning Milan because that seems to be the biggest issue to many the last couple of days. We are first in the league, CL group...and we did that with the same midfield that we had against Milan. Witsel will add a bit of body mass and some additional certainties but it won't add much.

Part of the issue is our midfield, sure. No doubt about that. The bigger issue IMO is the constant chopping and changing of our formation & lineup. For instance...Sturaro/Hernanes seem to be first selection over Lemina which is retarded. It's even more retarded to constantly playing Mario-Higuain up top and now we have Dybala fully fit so there is no excuse for Allegri in that regard. Pjaca too, hell he was on the fucking bench. We need more creativity up front and Pjanic can only do so much filling in the gaps between midfield & attack. That's exactly why I don't want Marchisio playing his position, I want him to be able to make those intelligent runs forward giving Pjanic another outlet. Lemina can sit back. I've been saying this for a bit now but people are so frantic about taking Marchisio out of his normal position when he can play both quite well. We lost Pogba and his running forward, Marchisio can will that void like he used to back when we had Pirlo. Let Sturaro be the legs and Lemina be the last line of midfield sitting in front of defense. This would shore things up IMO until we find that WC midfielder we want.

I'm not one to underrate Witsel, all I'm saying is he wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference in the last game.
IMO the problem is that Allegri/management aren't willing to adapt - I mean we play Sturaro in Pogba role and then we wonder why we lose to Milan :lol:

We're no longer built to play 352/4312 - both formations rely on superiority of midfield which is not the case for us anymore. If your midfield gets dominated by Kucka - Locatelli - Bertolacci then that says it all. From our WC MVPP the only one left is Marchisio who isn't himself since the injury.

We have new players, who are top class but they struggle to adapt to our way of playing. I mean Higuain and Pjanic aren't used to our style nor formations and the struggle big time. I think it would be wiser to move towards what they're used to if we want to build our team on them. Let's stop giving players responsibilities they're not capable of handling. 4312 relies on fullbacks to provide something offensively - at least some decent crossing but Evra and Licht aren't capable of that. They don't have the engine for constant running anymore. It makes the formation so narrow that your team has to attack through the middle so you're too predictable to pull something off. 352 isn't any different with those two.

It's true that injuries to Dybala and Pjaca fucked us big time, that's why I hope we land some more players with their characteristics, like Berardi etc. I think we're approaching the time for a switch to some 442/4231/433 formation which would unload our midfield from some responsibilities because this formation isn't capable of providing the goods it used to.

It has to be said it's great we still manage to win in CL and the league with so dysfunctional team but it cannot continue like this. We need major improvements to our game but also to the squad (but no revolution!).
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
IMO the problem is that Allegri/management aren't willing to adapt - I mean we play Sturaro in Pogba role and then we wonder why we lose to Milan :lol:

We're no longer built to play 352/4312 - both formations rely on superiority of midfield which is not the case for us anymore. If your midfield gets dominated by Kucka - Locatelli - Bertolacci then that says it all. From our WC MVPP the only one left is Marchisio who isn't himself since the injury.

We have new players, who are top class but they struggle to adapt to our way of playing. I mean Higuain and Pjanic aren't used to our style nor formations and the struggle big time. I think it would be wiser to move towards what they're used to if we want to build our team on them. Let's stop giving players responsibilities they're not capable of handling. 4312 relies on fullbacks to provide something offensively - at least some decent crossing but Evra and Licht aren't capable of that. They don't have the engine for constant running anymore. It makes the formation so narrow that your team has to attack through the middle so you're too predictable to pull something off. 352 isn't any different with those two.

It's true that injuries to Dybala and Pjaca $#@!ed us big time, that's why I hope we land some more players with their characteristics, like Berardi etc. I think we're approaching the time for a switch to some 442/4231/433 formation which would unload our midfield from some responsibilities because this formation isn't capable of providing the goods it used to.

It has to be said it's great we still manage to win in CL and the league with so dysfunctional team but it cannot continue like this. We need major improvements to our game but also to the squad (but no revolution!).
Agree with this.:tup:
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
IMO the problem is that Allegri/management aren't willing to adapt - I mean we play Sturaro in Pogba role and then we wonder why we lose to Milan :lol:

We're no longer built to play 352/4312 - both formations rely on superiority of midfield which is not the case for us anymore. If your midfield gets dominated by Kucka - Locatelli - Bertolacci then that says it all. From our WC MVPP the only one left is Marchisio who isn't himself since the injury.

We have new players, who are top class but they struggle to adapt to our way of playing. I mean Higuain and Pjanic aren't used to our style nor formations and the struggle big time. I think it would be wiser to move towards what they're used to if we want to build our team on them. Let's stop giving players responsibilities they're not capable of handling. 4312 relies on fullbacks to provide something offensively - at least some decent crossing but Evra and Licht aren't capable of that. They don't have the engine for constant running anymore. It makes the formation so narrow that your team has to attack through the middle so you're too predictable to pull something off. 352 isn't any different with those two.

It's true that injuries to Dybala and Pjaca fucked us big time, that's why I hope we land some more players with their characteristics, like Berardi etc. I think we're approaching the time for a switch to some 442/4231/433 formation which would unload our midfield from some responsibilities because this formation isn't capable of providing the goods it used to.

It has to be said it's great we still manage to win in CL and the league with so dysfunctional team but it cannot continue like this. We need major improvements to our game but also to the squad (but no revolution!).
Excellent post :tup:

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- Sturaro was perfectly playing the vidal role ("pogba role", fucking peasant shitfart :rofl: ), but at lcm instead of rcm, and we were easily domminating Milan, untill Sandro went off.
- Evra replaced him and played worse then De Ceglie, Grosso or Molinaro ever did. Milan against the play, scored an exceptionally lucky goal not much later.
- Milan kept abusing that left flank as a proper farewell to berlusconi, king of abuse. but we kept the balance.
-Second half milan started at 300mph. We however balanced it out again. Then, Sturaro went off injured and we were royally fucked.
-We were forced to replace pjanic instead of mandzukic for Dybala to avoid completely getting run over, cause we were like paper.

I'd have started dybala instead of Pjanic, cause he wouldnt be able to last all game. However pjanic assisted the corner, so Allegri was right to do so.



"Allegri/management aren't willing to adapt" :rofl: roflmao peasant shit.

- Allegri adapts nearly every game cause we are ever injured

- Management had to replace Pogba, they got Higuain and Pjanic, but failed to secure the pysical CM in Matuidi. Because they failed to do so, we are now gonna shoot 30mil on some 28y/o physical cm from Sevilla.
This means the management knows perfectly well that we miss that physical cm

- Sturaro in pogba's role. Has been an excellent choise by Mr. Allegri in his quest to balance that midfield and it was working very well. it shows again that Max knows how to improve his team and solve problems.



We have a coach thats shifting between 3-5-2, 4-3-3 and 4-3-1-2. But shitty the peasant fuck here claims he's not willing to adapt.



The only mistake, is the managements absolute failure to get a physical starting quality cm after Pogba left. And they are very aware and will solve this with N'Zonzi.
 

Juvellino

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2015
7,143
It would be inappropriate to say that Massimiliano Allegri’s future is under threat despite Juventus’ defeat against AC Milan in the Italian Super Cup final. Juventus top the Serie A table enjoying a four points lead over Roma and with one match in hand.
The Serie A giants have also qualified as group winners in Champions League and will face Porto in the knock-out stage. However, Juventus’ executives will consider Allegri’s position at the end of the season focusing their judgement mainly on the team’s Champions League campaign.

Marotta and Paratici do not demand Juventus to win the Champions League, nobody can ask that, but they want Juventus – at least - not to be eliminated against smaller clubs.

In case Juventus get eliminated against Porto, for example, Allegri’s position would definitely be under scrutiny at the end of the season and, in case the Old Lady sack the Italian tactician at the end of the current campaign, Paulo Sousa could become the new bianconeri boss as the former Juventus footballer is destined to leave Fiorentina at the end of the season.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Without looking at the table on serie A and CL...i thinkno one on their sane mind would say this team is doing ok and just needs some tweaks.

For the amount of great attackers we have...our style of play is apalling. Having Dybala and Higauain as forwards make this more worrysome.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
@Zacheryah you make some good counter points to @LiquidPLP s good post but you don't have to say shitty the fuck peasant and roflmao after every point.
I can't say because I didn't read those points, lol. I never even bother to read that pile of bullshit not to mention replying to it. Once he grows up I might change my mind but for now it's like talking to a wall, so thanks I'll pass :) Not that often I find the time to post here these days anyway.
 

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