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Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
It's not even up for debate TBH. He is better.

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we don't have a decent moderating team to put an end to constant mocking of our players, coaches and everything Juve related, hence the fights around here. Try posting something like that in Conte's thread, where certain mod forbids almost any discussion that he finds disagreeable and trolling will get you thread banned. Pathetic.
Mocking is part of the game, I'm not against it if it's within not insulting the player/coach.
 

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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,161
Mocking is part of the game, I'm not against it if it's within not insulting the player/coach.
Conte's thread seems to be heavily moderated and mocking is likely to get member thread banned. It was closed for a few monhts after our CL campaign, to prevent such behavior. Double standards imho. :)
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
Conte's thread seems to be heavily moderated and mocking is likely to get member thread banned. It was closed for a few monhts after our CL campaign, to prevent such behavior. Double standards imho. :)
Not really, Conte's thread was way over, I understand some frustration and I actually believe Allegri is better and the way Conte left the team makes me dislike him even more but it's one thing to mock and it's another to become repetitive in the mocking.
 

cimenk

Senior Member
Jul 23, 2008
3,182
Juventino[RUS];5104530 said:
We drop points because of our coach, there is nothing to discuss here
1) He was wrong with 352 and Coman as SS against Udinese and Padoin as deeplying playmaker 0-1
2) He was wrong with 352 and Padoin as deeplying playmaker 1-2
3) He was with starting already injured Marchisio against Chievo, choosing Sturaro over Pogba 1-1
4) He was wrong with starting with 3 defend midfielders - Lamina, Sturaro and Pogba, they gave us absolutely NOTHING when it comes to creativity and Allegri didn't know it......it's like if Barcelona will start the match with Mascherano - Busquets - Adriano trident in the middle, ZERO $#@!ing creativity 1-1

From the 1st match of the season he is doing mistake after mistake after mistake with the line-up, you can only blame him for poor results, nobody else

also, we absolutely poor on the set pieces since forever, seems like coaches can't fix it

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"we’ve got a team full of youngsters who need to develop."

Neto 26
Lichtsteiner 31
Bonucci 28
Chiellini 31
Barzagli 34
Sandro 24
Lemina 22
Pogba 22
Sturaro 22
Zaza 24
Pereyra 24
Cuadrado 27
Hernanes 30
Dybala 21
average age 26.2
All players except Dybala and Lemina are well experienced, he should find a better excuse for his mistakes
Agree.
He definitely wrong with the selections.
1. 352 against defensive Udinese. While using Coman. And not prepared the free kicks and corner. He at least should played with Dybala. Or insist with 4312 with Pereyra at TQ
2. After disastrous performance against Udinese, he repeat it again against Roma. Using Padoin as Regista. It's really horrible. He just dont trust new players to play instantly like Sandro
3. Against Frosinone again, we play defensive 352 although 433 already prove succesful. And yet he dont put any importance to set piece play. We already have Hernanes, Dybala our dead ball specialist. Other than Marchisio but dont play any of them since first half

We already lose points in our 3 home games against 2 worst team in the league Frosinone and Udinese. Even if our players didnt gel or mostly injured. We should manage at least win against them. Wish we recover soon but i dont want to put much of expectation this season.

Allegri seems cant decided to have which formations as main formation
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,707
Theres this Arsenal vibe from this team. Entertaining with no results. Fix it please. Someone (or a few) said most players are desperate because we still dont have close to a fixed starting 11 and i think they are spot on. At this stage he is simply over rotating this squad.

Stick with a starting eleven, replace the injured players and let others get their chance with 30 35 mins cameos as a sub.

Nothing is lost, but hes not the type of coach to lift team spirit, lost a great moment that coulda been a masive turning point. And screaming and being overly graphic at sideline won't teach these players shit and only gets him far earning their respect.
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
Obviously Allegri can’t be blamed for pour finishing but nonetheless I think that Allegri are making a lot of mistakes this year.
First of all it is wrong to start two DM in a homegame vs. the worst team in the league. The first half was wasted because of it and you could see the difference in the second half when Dybala came on instead of Sturaro. If we had created 5-10 clear scoring opportunities in the first half as well we would have won the game.
We severely lack consistency so he should choose a preferred starting 11 and only rotate when needed(injuries, suspensions). Maybe he could rotate the CB and LB more often but especially the midfield needs to gel. Later in the season when the team starts to gel he rotate more.
Allegri is a coach that likes to give players freedom in attack. Last year that worked as it made us less predictable. This year where the players don’t know each other yet and there a no clear patterns of play it kind of makes us look random and individualistic. Maybe it could be an idee to give the players some predefined roles when attacking so there could come some point of reference in our game. As the team starts to know each other better he could give more freedom to the players again.
Even though the results have been poor I am kind of exited about the new Juve. I think the ceiling is higher fore this team than the one last year
 

Lancelot

Senior Member
Oct 24, 2011
2,366
No.

How 2 defeats by Real and Celta in their 9th and 10th match, and 7 wins before that is a terrible beginning?

If that is a terrible beginning, than I wish we had the same terrible beginning in our opening 10 games
 

Cheesio

**********
Jul 11, 2006
22,514
Obviously Allegri can’t be blamed for pour finishing but nonetheless I think that Allegri are making a lot of mistakes this year.
First of all it is wrong to start two DM in a homegame vs. the worst team in the league. The first half was wasted because of it and you could see the difference in the second half when Dybala came on instead of Sturaro. If we had created 5-10 clear scoring opportunities in the first half as well we would have won the game.
We severely lack consistency so he should choose a preferred starting 11 and only rotate when needed(injuries, suspensions). Maybe he could rotate the CB and LB more often but especially the midfield needs to gel. Later in the season when the team starts to gel he rotate more.
Allegri is a coach that likes to give players freedom in attack. Last year that worked as it made us less predictable. This year where the players don’t know each other yet and there a no clear patterns of play it kind of makes us look random and individualistic. Maybe it could be an idee to give the players some predefined roles when attacking so there could come some point of reference in our game. As the team starts to know each other better he could give more freedom to the players again.
Even though the results have been poor I am kind of exited about the new Juve. I think the ceiling is higher fore this team than the one last year
:tup:

Agree with everything except the last sentence :p
 

kao_ray

Senior Member
Feb 28, 2014
6,568
No.

How 2 defeats by Real and Celta in their 9th and 10th match, and 7 wins before that is a terrible beginning?

If that is a terrible beginning, than I wish we had the same terrible beginning in our opening 10 games
Yes, you are right. 3 losses and 2 draws until 4th of January was no big deal, but the press was panicking almost as much as you and some others do right now. And after the treble it looks fecking ridiculous.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
we lost that clutch player in tevez. dont forget we had many games last season where the team was wasting chances or playing bad and it tevez just fixing things on his own. same was in the CL but it was morata and tevez together.

now with tevez gone it is up to morata to be that cluch player. he proved in cl, and in the ending months of the league last season that he can be. we just need to get him fit. mandzukic is able to do that too but he needs a few more months to gel better.

once we get morata fit, results will come. he is the difference maker.
 

Cheesio

**********
Jul 11, 2006
22,514
Bianconeri boss Massimiliano Allegri acknowledges that early results have been disappointing but is confident that his young squad still possesses the qualities to achieve its goals this season

Speaking to the media at Juventus Center today on the eve of Saturday’s clash with Napoli, Massimiliano Allegri reiterated his faith in the qualities of his squad and expressed his belief that the Bianconeri will soon start earning the results that their domestic performances so far have perhaps deserved.

While acknowledging that “football is a results business, and every team should be judged on their league position” and improvements need to be made in the coming weeks, the Tuscan remains convinced that this Juventus side is capable of great things this term.

He began: “My confidence in my team won’t wane because of a last minute corner (against Frosinone) that we shouldn’t have conceded in the first place. We’ve dropped points so far when perhaps we deserved more but all the same we need to improve and start defending better.

“After the international break, when we have the likes of Claudio Marchisio, Mario Mandzukic and Sami Khedira back in the first team setup, we’ll be back to full strength and have a very competitive squad.”

Joining Mandzukic, Marchisio and Khedira on the sidelines for tomorrow night's game will be Martin Caceres while Alvaro Morata and Simone Padoin are in the frame for starting places.

"Alvaro is available for tomorrow night but Caceres won't be, we're looking at getting him back to fitness for Wednesday against Sevilla. Padoin is in contention to start against Napoli, he performs well wherever he plays and he's an option for us at full-back."
"What the boys have shown so far, for me, deserved four or five more points"
Massimiliano Allegri 25/09/2015
In order to reach their goals for the campaign and to come away from the Stadio San Paolo with maximum points, Allegri honed in on one key factor: composure.

In an opening to the season that has seen his team dominate possession and create plenty of goalscoring opportunities, the Juve boss went on to call for composure both on and off the field, more of which will put the Bianconeri in good stead for another important seven days of domestic and European action.

“We’ll be judged on our results and rightly so but ultimately it’s the quality of your performances that win you points. We were fantastic in Manchester but if Gianluigi Buffon hadn’t made that excellent save when we were 1-0 down then our display could have been viewed in a very different way.

“It’s a very important week with Napoli, Sevilla and Bologna on the horizon and we need to approach these games with clear heads. If we stay calm and play our own game we’ll soon be back in the position that we expect of ourselves.”

As an experienced head though in a business where “criticism is part and parcel of the job,” the Tuscan’s primary message this afternoon was one of confidence in a young team that still has plenty of time to grow and to start displaying the qualities in keeping with Juventus sides of the past.

“Wins are the only thing missing. What the boys have shown on the field so far, for me, deserved four or five more points. These are young players with excellent potential and soon they’ll learn to manage games better as previous Juventus sides have done so well.

“It’s still too early to say what the table will look like come May but for now we have plenty of time to dust ourselves down, start moving forwards as a team and pick up victories.”
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
i just saw the match on replay.. Max has nothing to do with this result. players didn't understand each other on the final third and when you have someone like zaza who needs 20 opportunity in order to score one. pogba and coudrado wasted alot too. our team is really strong actually. just time guys.
 

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